e30 on nos?

[stevetigger]

Right then, shut up then because your not getting anywhere with Kos and he has his own opinion!

Thats ok, cause im not just talking to Kos, im talking to anyone reading this who might be misled by his opinion based on fashion, and for anyone who searches in the future on this forum for information about the relative strengths of different make nitrous kits, which is without a doubt a very useful for this site to contain for people.

Im trying to work out what your motivation for posting is though as i cant see you saying anything thats actually useful to anyone interested in E30's or cars or engine or nitrous or anything else even vaguely on topic?

You dont understand do you! People reading this in the future will get what your saying because you have said it! So now you have made your point, I am making a point of pages and pages of FACTS puts people off. Re-read this in a year, you wouldn't get past page two because it gets boring, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT???
Like you say, I will keep posting until YOU understand the facts of this situation.

[chip-3door]

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FITTING 50-100HP KIT ON A STREET CAR

where the technical bullshit you co on about is pointless unless you ave a race/drag car!!!

any decent kit from either WoN NOS or NX will be fine, cold fusion is a company jumping on the band waggon to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


thats my,point happy!!!

NO ITS NOT POINTLESS!

Im talking about road cars, with road kits, and the fact you will see better results from them on a good kit than a bad one!

In fact my points are even more valid on road cars where things need to be long term reliable, 6 minutes use from a crappy NOS solenoid on progressive at 100bhp on a road car before it needs a rebuild is useless!

6 minutes on a drag car is 60 runs and enough to last nearly a whole season!

I AM talking about use on an E30 raod car!

[Kos]

If i posted on this forum i believed 325's to have a 5 cylinder 10v engine in my opinion, i would get corrected that its in fact a 12v 6cylinder they came with.

If i kept saying my opinion was different people would keep correcting me.

thats fact

[chip-3door]

Right then, shut up then because your not getting anywhere with Kos and he has his own opinion!

Thats ok, cause im not just talking to Kos, im talking to anyone reading this who might be misled by his opinion based on fashion, and for anyone who searches in the future on this forum for information about the relative strengths of different make nitrous kits, which is without a doubt a very useful for this site to contain for people.

Im trying to work out what your motivation for posting is though as i cant see you saying anything thats actually useful to anyone interested in E30's or cars or engine or nitrous or anything else even vaguely on topic?

You dont understand do you! People reading this in the future will get what your saying because you have said it! So now you have made your point, I am making a point of pages and pages of FACTS puts people off. Re-read this in a year, you wouldn't get past page two because it gets boring, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT???
Like you say, I will keep posting until YOU understand the facts of this situation.

If it wasnt for the fact that Kos is STILL not getting it that im talking about road cars then possibly 1 single word of what you type might have some relevenance somewhere!

If it was so obvious after 2 pages why does he STILL not get im on about road going cars and the importance of a reliable kit that doesnt melt the pistons in your daily driver!

[chip-3door]

If i posted on this forum i believed 325's to have a 5 cylinder 10v engine in my opinion, i would get corrected that its in fact a 12v 6cylinder they came with.

If i kept saying my opinion was different people would keep correcting me.

thats fact

Indeed, as is the fact that 100bhp from a wizards of nos kit on a road going E30 BMW is safer and cheaper than 100bhp from a NOS kit.

Its not an opinion, its a fact.

[Kos]

Im talking about road cars, with road kits, and the fact you will see better results from them on a good kit than a bad one!

In fact my points are even more valid on road cars where things need to be long term reliable, 6 minutes use from a crappy NOS solenoid on progressive at 100bhp on a road car before it needs a rebuild is useless!

6 minutes on a drag car is 60 runs and enough to last nearly a whole season!

I AM talking about use on an E30 raod car!

so every one who has bought a nos kit has had to get the solonoids rebuilt, after they have packed up?? and on that fantastic recomendation thousands of others have got NOS kit??

they must all be stupid

[OllieB]

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FITTING 50-100HP KIT ON A STREET CAR

where the technical bullshit you co on about is pointless unless you ave a race/drag car!!!

any decent kit from either WoN NOS or NX will be fine, cold fusion is a company jumping on the band waggon to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


thats my,point happy!!!

Good point. I'm sure the various pro's and con's, technical merits and abilities of different types of kit are huge and you could go on about them forever, but for a road car with a 25 or 50 horse shot it makes very little difference, in much the same way as tyre choice is more crucial on F1 car than a Saxo VTR doing wheelspins in Mcdonalds car park.
With a road car budget is the most important consideration I would imagine, your friend with the 3000bhp WoN kit is a very lucky guy. The information is no less valid but we are talking here about the upper echelons of big money motorsport.

[Kos]

a 10lb bottle with 50jets will last 6mins approx,

will i need new solonoids after that??

thats a fuckng insane staement

[chip-3door]

Im talking about road cars, with road kits, and the fact you will see better results from them on a good kit than a bad one!

In fact my points are even more valid on road cars where things need to be long term reliable, 6 minutes use from a crappy NOS solenoid on progressive at 100bhp on a road car before it needs a rebuild is useless!

6 minutes on a drag car is 60 runs and enough to last nearly a whole season!

I AM talking about use on an E30 raod car!

so every one who has bought a nos kit has had to get the solonoids rebuilt, after they have packed up?? and on that fantastic recomendation thousands of others have got NOS kit??

they must all be stupid

Everyone who has bought them and run them on progressive YES

But given that most americans using a nitrous kit use it for 20% gains or less, they dont need progressive to be reliable, so its not an issue and they can get away with the NOS kit, its crap but it does what they want.

For 100bhp on a 325 though, an increase of more than 50% power, and especially if its on one with a chip, you NEED progressive, so if you fit a NOS kit you are risking your engine or wasting nitrous (depending on how lucky you get with the way in which it goes wrong) unless you only ever use it in very specific circumstances.

[chip-3door]

a 10lb bottle with 50jets will last 6mins approx,

will i need new solonoids after that??

thats a fuckng insane staement

If you buy NOS Holley ones and use them on progressive then YES according to NOS Holley you will indeed need new ones (well a basic rebuild kit anyway)

It IS insane YES

Is the penny dropping yet?


Read a NOS Holley manual if you dont beleive me!

[chip-3door]

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FITTING 50-100HP KIT ON A STREET CAR

where the technical bullshit you co on about is pointless unless you ave a race/drag car!!!

any decent kit from either WoN NOS or NX will be fine, cold fusion is a company jumping on the band waggon to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


thats my,point happy!!!

Good point. I'm sure the various pro's and con's, technical merits and abilities of different types of kit are huge and you could go on about them forever, but for a road car with a 25 or 50 horse shot it makes very little difference, in much the same way as tyre choice is more crucial on F1 car than a Saxo VTR doing wheelspins in Mcdonalds car park.
With a road car budget is the most important consideration I would imagine, your friend with the 3000bhp WoN kit is a very lucky guy. The information is no less valid but we are talking here about the upper echelons of big money motorsport.

There are people on this forum serious about their cars who would be interested in a decent performance gain from nitrous on their road car, not just a mickey mouse 25bhp kit that makes almost no difference.

Its like you saying me and Ant are wrong to disucss standalone versus piggyback cause when you arent modifying your car much it doesnt matter!

[Kos]

For 100bhp on a 325 though, an increase of more than 50% power, and especially if its on one with a chip, you NEED progressive, so if you fit a NOS kit you are risking your engine or wasting nitrous (depending on how lucky you get with the way in which it goes wrong) unless you only ever use it in very specific circumstances.

and thats stupid if you put 100 on a street car, you are asking for trouble hence my recomendation of no more that 50hp

a chip is also a bad idea as they advance the ignition timing to gain more power, not good for nos, more than 75hp you'll need to back th timing up to stop pinking!!

[Kos]

If you buy NOS Holley ones and use them on progressive then YES according to NOS Holley you will indeed need new ones (well a basic rebuild kit anyway)




Read a NOS Holley manual if you dont beleive me!

make your mind up??

new or a rebuilt or a service??

either way thats bollocks

[chip-3door]

For 100bhp on a 325 though, an increase of more than 50% power, and especially if its on one with a chip, you NEED progressive, so if you fit a NOS kit you are risking your engine or wasting nitrous (depending on how lucky you get with the way in which it goes wrong) unless you only ever use it in very specific circumstances.

and thats stupid if you put 100 on a street car, you are asking for trouble hence my recomendation of no more that 50hp

a chip is also a bad idea as they advance the ignition timing to gain more power, not good for nos, more than 75hp you'll need to back th timing up to stop pinking!!

If using a crappy NOS kit then yes more than 50bhp would be a silly idea on a road car in my opinion too.

However, you can run 100bhp of nitrous as often as you want on a standard E30 setup properly with a wizards kit and you will get no problems at all.

Ive run a road car with 100% gains in power on a totally standard engine on a wizards of nos kit!

13.3 seconds @ 109.8mph on gas, 15.0@89mph off gas
0-100 in 18 seconds off gas, 0-100 in 10.5 on gas

Thats the sort of gains you can get RELIABLEY with the corect kit, and why its so important to buy the correct kit not the common kit.

[chip-3door]

If you buy NOS Holley ones and use them on progressive then YES according to NOS Holley you will indeed need new ones (well a basic rebuild kit anyway)




Read a NOS Holley manual if you dont beleive me!

make your mind up??

new or a rebuilt or a service??

either way thats bollocks

Thats NOS Holley official user instructions for when used with progressive!

After 6 mins use you either, service, rebuild or replace the solenoids (depending the damage inflincted and wether you have the ability to rebuild them or not)

[e30_Turbo]

Nos is much better inhaled by the way

And Dale had a 125bhp kit on his 325i, he was running a progressive setup and it was capable of much more.

It out dragged a e36 m3 evo and left me standing after I agreed to follow him home from lakeside one time, I never saw him after the first roundabout. Good old N/a days, wouldn't mind a go again now tho

His kit was fitted @ MJS in Ipswich, I think they are wizard of Noz (sp?) but knowing Dale he had the best bits fitted

Never went in it during that stage so no feedback on how it felt but it sure worked right, pity I only saw it in action for a few minutes

[chip-3door]

Here is the route through a NOS Holley etc solenoid (this particular one is NX but they are all basically the same):

http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image ... t325us.jpg


Here is the route through a WON one:

http://img427.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... t423dh.jpg



Whic of those two paths (in purple) do you think makes more sense given that getting power safely relies on not getting a phase change?


Here is the internal of a NOS Holley / NX style solenoid:



Here is the internals of a WON one:





Now given that the nos one has to shut harder to seal due to the different paths AND its about 10 times the mass of plunger which one do you think is going to make the seal last longer if the seal is equal in both?
Now take into account the wizards seal is actually designed to be impacted continuosly as it was built to pulse and the american one isnt, and you can quickly see why one lasts a lifetime before it wrecks the seal and the other one the manufacturer has to recomed you rebuild after 6 minutes!

[chip-3door]

Nos is much better inhaled by the way

And Dale had a 125bhp kit on his 325i, he was running a progressive setup and it was capable of much more.

It out dragged a e36 m3 evo and left me standing after I agreed to follow him home from lakeside one time, I never saw him after the first roundabout. Good old N/a days, wouldn't mind a go again now tho

His kit was fitted @ MJS in Ipswich, I think they are wizard of Noz (sp?) but knowing Dale he had the best bits fitted

Never went in it during that stage so no feedback on how it felt but it sure worked right, pity I only saw it in action for a few minutes

Sorry. none of that can be true, because Kos says you can only have 50bhp



Seriously though.

Nitrous done well is AWESOME

[Kos]

Ive run a road car with 100% gains in power on a totally standard engine on a wizards of nos kit!

13.3 seconds @ 109.8mph on gas, 15.0@89mph off gas
0-100 in 18 seconds off gas, 0-100 in 10.5 on gas

Thats the sort of gains you can get RELIABLEY with the corect kit, and why its so important to buy the correct kit not the common kit.

and you could do that with a nos kit if set up correctly

[stevetigger]

If it wasnt for the fact that Kos is STILL not getting it that im talking about road cars then possibly 1 single word of what you type might have some relevenance somewhere!

Why do you have to convince Kos?? It was novakiller who asked the question and you have answered, Back up now! It gets boring

[chip-3door]

Ive run a road car with 100% gains in power on a totally standard engine on a wizards of nos kit!

13.3 seconds @ 109.8mph on gas, 15.0@89mph off gas
0-100 in 18 seconds off gas, 0-100 in 10.5 on gas

Thats the sort of gains you can get RELIABLEY with the corect kit, and why its so important to buy the correct kit not the common kit.

and you could do that with a nos kit if set up correctly

No i couldnt!!!!

How are you not getting this?

The nos kit has the jets in the wrong place, it gives FAR too agressive an intial impact (hence peopel saying the wizards kit feels "softer") if i tried that on a NOS kit i would have crushed the piston crowns as they were cast pistons!

[Kos]

Sorry. none of that can be true, because Kos says you can only have 50bhp

because people abuse it and do not repect it, i do it out of principal and safety

i have fitted 100 DIRECT hit to my 325i and it was very enjoyable, but with 50 hp, i would run a constant 14.5 1/4 mile in street tyre and a 3.64diff, this set up would let me keep up with e36m3's on the streets

[chip-3door]

Sorry. none of that can be true, because Kos says you can only have 50bhp

because people abuse it and do not repect it, i do it out of principal and safety

i have fitted 100 DIRECT hit to my 325i and it was very enjoyable, but with 50 hp, i would run a constant 14.5 1/4 mile in street tyre and a 3.64diff, this set up would let me keep up with e36m3's on the streets

Indeed, because the wizards kit hits in a soft and safe manner, although personally on a road car i would still go progressive for reasons of economy and added safety.

Try the same 100bhp with an NOS kit and boot it at 2000rpm and you are entering a lottery!

[chip-3door]

If it wasnt for the fact that Kos is STILL not getting it that im talking about road cars then possibly 1 single word of what you type might have some relevenance somewhere!

Why do you have to convince Kos?? It was novakiller who asked the question and you have answered, Back up now! It gets boring

Im posting for the benefit of anyone interested in learning about nitrous.

Why are you posting?

Im still adding more and more useful into to the thread, what are you adding?

[Kos]

How are you not getting this?

The nos kit has the jets in the wrong place, it gives FAR too agressive an intial impact (hence peopel saying the wizards kit feels "softer") if i tried that on a NOS kit i would have crushed the piston crowns as they were cast pistons!

you place the jets where you want, and control the hit by keeping the legth of the pipes from solonoid to injector longer

EITHER WAY i still use the WoN kits, but NOS has it merits as does NX, thousands cant be wrong

[stevetigger]

If it wasnt for the fact that Kos is STILL not getting it that im talking about road cars then possibly 1 single word of what you type might have some relevenance somewhere!

Why do you have to convince Kos?? It was novakiller who asked the question and you have answered, Back up now! It gets boring

Chip, your boring us all to sleep now! Please stop!

[chip-3door]

How are you not getting this?

The nos kit has the jets in the wrong place, it gives FAR too agressive an intial impact (hence peopel saying the wizards kit feels "softer") if i tried that on a NOS kit i would have crushed the piston crowns as they were cast pistons!

you place the jets where you want, and control the hit by keeping the legth of the pipes from solonoid to injector longer

EITHER WAY i still use the WoN kits, but NOS has it merits as does NX, thousands cant be wrong

You cannot place the jets where you want, they are located in the injector on the NOS kit, you have no choice in that, why do you keep posting lies?

What are the merits you keep referring to?
other than "being cheap stateside" im not aware of any.

[Kos]

i'm gone, the tread was who has fitted, recomedations etc not your technical ongoings.
or how does it work
if you had any sence you would recomend fitting more than 50 to a street car

[chip-3door]

If it wasnt for the fact that Kos is STILL not getting it that im talking about road cars then possibly 1 single word of what you type might have some relevenance somewhere!

Why do you have to convince Kos?? It was novakiller who asked the question and you have answered, Back up now! It gets boring

Chip, your boring us all to sleep now! Please stop!

If you find a thread about something technical which you dont understand boring, please just keep out of it rather than posting useless posts that dont add anything of interest to those people who ARE interested in the subject of the thread.

And replying to yourself is even more pointless!

[Kos]

How are you not getting this?

The nos kit has the jets in the wrong place, it gives FAR too agressive an intial impact (hence peopel saying the wizards kit feels "softer") if i tried that on a NOS kit i would have crushed the piston crowns as they were cast pistons!

you place the jets where you want, and control the hit by keeping the legth of the pipes from solonoid to injector longer

EITHER WAY i still use the WoN kits, but NOS has it merits as does NX, thousands cant be wrong

You cannot place the jets where you want, they are located in the injector on the NOS kit, you have no choice in that, why do you keep posting lies?

What are the merits you keep referring to?
other than "being cheap stateside" im not aware of any.

i ment injector sorry

[Kos]

And replying to yourself is even more pointless!

myself??

[chip-3door]

i'm gone, the tread was who has fitted, recomedations etc not your technical ongoings.
or how does it work
if you had any sence you would recomend fitting more than 50 to a street car

I assume you mean wouldnt?

No, if i had your limited understanding then probably i wouldnt recomend it, for me its perfectly reasonable to fit 50-100% gains in power nitrous kits, ive been doing it for years and years now, hence im one of the most respected people in this country on the subject of nitrous and you arent to be very blunt!

[chip-3door]

And replying to yourself is even more pointless!

myself??

I was talking to stevetigger who did that, not to you, hence i quoted him not you.

[chip-3door]

you place the jets where you want, and control the hit by keeping the legth of the pipes from solonoid to injector longer

EITHER WAY i still use the WoN kits, but NOS has it merits as does NX, thousands cant be wrong

You cannot place the jets where you want, they are located in the injector on the NOS kit, you have no choice in that, why do you keep posting lies?

What are the merits you keep referring to?
other than "being cheap stateside" im not aware of any.

i ment injector sorry

Yes you can place injetors where you like on both systems, but only on a wizards kit are the jets in the correct place for a soft hit, you CANT place the jets in a NOS system in a safe place for a big power fixed hit (they need to be at the solenoid but on the NOS kit are at the injector instead which leads to a harder initial hit, thats ok on a big V8 drag car trying to hook up wrinkle wall slicks, but its both dangerous to the engine and the driver on a road car like the E30 this thread is about)

[Kos]

i'm gone, the tread was who has fitted, recomedations etc not your technical ongoings.
or how does it work
if you had any sence you would recomend fitting more than 50 to a street car

I assume you mean wouldnt?

No, if i had your limited understand i wouldnt recomend it, for me its perfectly reasonable to fit 50-100% gains in power nitrous kits, ive been doing it for years and years now, hence im one of the most respected people in this country on the subject of nitrous and you arent to be very blunt!

you arrogant
they guy i learnt off has been doing nitrous for about 25+years and is very well known in the drag racing scene, the difference with me and you is i dont bore people like you do, and constantly plug one company.
so you thing it sensible and reasonable to fit 150 hp progresivly controlled kit to a 325i??
that will be more unreliable in the long run over 50 with a direct hit, no mater who the kit is made by be it NOS WoN or NX
i say it how it is, how it works drawbacks and merits of it all.


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