e30 on nos?

[Kos]

People use NOS kits because NOS pay all the top racers to use their kits, even some of the top racers who have wizards of nos kits have NOS logos on the side of their cars in fact!

Then because the top cars have NOS written on them people think it must work and buy the same, it genuinely IS based on ignorance of how superior the WoN kits are.

You say "the nos kits are good because they work", but they dont, not reliabley!

Holley themselves recomed a solenoid rebuild every 6 minutes (six fucking minutes, not 6 years, 6 fucking minutes!) of pulsed use, and they also recomend a second "protection solenoid" because they acknowledge the risk of failure is so high!
wizards of nos solenoids by comparison come with a lifetime warranty!


The america stuff is RUBBISH, but its rubbish people have been using for years and hence are slow to change.

VHS was VERY popular in the late 90s despite DVD being out, but which would you sooner use now?


Anyway will all be acedemic when WoN release their smooth progressive solenoids later this year as even the most idiotic person brainwashed by the marketting wouldnt argue NOS have anything that compres with those!



McDonalds is the biggest and most popular restaurant chain in the world, their product works (you can eat it), it doesnt make it any good though!

come on, i'm not arguing with you. i take what you say onbopard but you cant just dismiss every thing i say!!

yes i agree its a brand thing at times but you cannot jut flush NOS down the toilet,

BUT for the record i would recomend HIGHPOWER aka WIZARDS of NOS like you!!

why, they are the best for mainstream steet cars

[chip-3door]

[and for financial reasons i will dissagree, its only a maximum of Ԛ£1000 for a direct port kit with progresive controler, and the money these guys spend its not a lot

Some of these guys get paid a LOT of money to run NOS kits, not to mention given the kits for free.

A top of the range drag racing custom setup from WoN will set you back 10 grand easily!


This is my mate johnny's setup.



Capable of delivering over 3000bhp of nitrous,
progressively controlled, totally reliable, only thing stopping him using it above 1200bhp is the lack of money for a clutch he can use on his car that can handle it!

Care to show me a NOS setup that can do the same as Johnny's setup?


And then when you stop to consider that NO system ever produced or (as far as i know) in production by NOS/NX/etc can match the technology involved in johhny's setup it makes it even funnier when you think that towards the end of this year he will be scrapping it as by wizards standard its now out of date compared to the smoothies which are soon to be released.

The biggest problem NOS have is that if they made reliable solenoids it would bankrupt them cause such an enormous part of their business is based around selling the parts for their crappy ones that keep fucking up LOL

[chip-3door]

People use NOS kits because NOS pay all the top racers to use their kits, even some of the top racers who have wizards of nos kits have NOS logos on the side of their cars in fact!

Then because the top cars have NOS written on them people think it must work and buy the same, it genuinely IS based on ignorance of how superior the WoN kits are.

You say "the nos kits are good because they work", but they dont, not reliabley!

Holley themselves recomed a solenoid rebuild every 6 minutes (six fucking minutes, not 6 years, 6 fucking minutes!) of pulsed use, and they also recomend a second "protection solenoid" because they acknowledge the risk of failure is so high!
wizards of nos solenoids by comparison come with a lifetime warranty!


The america stuff is RUBBISH, but its rubbish people have been using for years and hence are slow to change.

VHS was VERY popular in the late 90s despite DVD being out, but which would you sooner use now?


Anyway will all be acedemic when WoN release their smooth progressive solenoids later this year as even the most idiotic person brainwashed by the marketting wouldnt argue NOS have anything that compres with those!



McDonalds is the biggest and most popular restaurant chain in the world, their product works (you can eat it), it doesnt make it any good though!

come on, i'm not arguing with you. i take what you say onbopard but you cant just dismiss every thing i say!!

yes i agree its a brand thing at times but you cannot jut flush NOS down the toilet,

BUT for the record i would recomend HIGHPOWER aka WIZARDS of NOS like you!!

why, they are the best for mainstream steet cars

Im arguing with your cause you are wrong.

What solenoid do NOS make that is as well made or capable as the wizards one?

what controller do they make that works as well?

What top racer on NOS actually has an install recomended by NOS that doesnt involve changing pipe sizes all over the fucking place?


The answer is "none" to all of the above, so to say that the kits are comparable or better because they sell more of them is like saying that mcdonalds is as good as gordon ramsey or jamie oliver!

[Kos]

People use NOS kits because NOS pay all the top racers to use their kits, even some of the top racers who have wizards of nos kits have NOS logos on the side of their cars in fact!

Then because the top cars have NOS written on them people think it must work and buy the same, it genuinely IS based on ignorance of how superior the WoN kits are.

You say "the nos kits are good because they work", but they dont, not reliabley!

Holley themselves recomed a solenoid rebuild every 6 minutes (six fucking minutes, not 6 years, 6 fucking minutes!) of pulsed use, and they also recomend a second "protection solenoid" because they acknowledge the risk of failure is so high!
wizards of nos solenoids by comparison come with a lifetime warranty!


The america stuff is RUBBISH, but its rubbish people have been using for years and hence are slow to change.

VHS was VERY popular in the late 90s despite DVD being out, but which would you sooner use now?


Anyway will all be acedemic when WoN release their smooth progressive solenoids later this year as even the most idiotic person brainwashed by the marketting wouldnt argue NOS have anything that compres with those!



McDonalds is the biggest and most popular restaurant chain in the world, their product works (you can eat it), it doesnt make it any good though!

come on, i'm not arguing with you. i take what you say onbopard but you cant just dismiss every thing i say!!

yes i agree its a brand thing at times but you cannot jut flush NOS down the toilet,

BUT for the record i would recomend HIGHPOWER aka WIZARDS of NOS like you!!

why, they are the best for mainstream steet cars

Im arguing with your cause you are wrong.

What solenoid do NOS make that is as well made or capable as the wizards one?

what controller do they make that works as well?

What top racer on NOS actually has an install recomended by NOS that doesnt involve changing pipe sizes all over the fucking place?


The answer is "none" to all of the above, so to say that the kits are comparable or better because they sell more of them is like saying that mcdonalds is as good as gordon ramsey or jamie oliver!

yous mates engine is stunning buy you are now taking it a bit to far.i cant be botherd

[chip-3door]

come on, i'm not arguing with you. i take what you say onbopard but you cant just dismiss every thing i say!!

yes i agree its a brand thing at times but you cannot jut flush NOS down the toilet,

BUT for the record i would recomend HIGHPOWER aka WIZARDS of NOS like you!!

why, they are the best for mainstream steet cars

Im arguing with your cause you are wrong.

What solenoid do NOS make that is as well made or capable as the wizards one?

what controller do they make that works as well?

What top racer on NOS actually has an install recomended by NOS that doesnt involve changing pipe sizes all over the fucking place?


The answer is "none" to all of the above, so to say that the kits are comparable or better because they sell more of them is like saying that mcdonalds is as good as gordon ramsey or jamie oliver!

yous mates engine is stunning buy you are now taking it a bit to far.i cant be botherd

Taking what too far?

Im just asking you to back up what you say because i believe its wrong, if you are not wrong then i would be interested in learning from you, thats what forums are all about.

Ive said nothing personal, ive not called you names or anything, im just asking you to back up what you say, im quite happy to back up everything i say as its based on technical merit!

[Kos]

i agree with what you said about high power kits compared to cold fusion, by any chance do you sell them??

but to say NOS is shit, and everything they do make and produce is shit is just wrong!!

[chip-3door]

but to say NOS is shit, and everything they do make and produce is shit is just wrong!!

What do they produce that isnt shit compared to the equivalent WON product?


bottle valve = WON one is far superior
lines = nos dont make them anyway its just braided that all companies sell and unlike wizards you dont also get the choice of nylon
solenoids = they really are LITTER by comparison, decades old industrial technology with no right to be on a car
injectors = NOS do ok here, both companies have developed decent injectors
controllers = NOS cant go down this route because they are limited by their rubbish solenoids.
heaters = both companies do ok here from a performance point of view, but the NOS ones risk blowing your car up due to the bad bottle valve design.



In what way am i being unfair calling it rubbish when it is?

[Kos]

what ever

a nos dealer will say that about high power and vice vursa

they both have their merits

[chip-3door]

what ever

a nos dealer will say that about high power and vice vursa

they both have their merits

Im not giving an opinion or sale pitch, just facts.

And for the record i dont sell anything at all, im a technical consultant to toyota and do boring maths and stuff for a living!

The closest ive ever come to selling a nitrous kit is arranging the occasional group buy, and ive always ended up out of pocket on that due to fuel etc, so im definately NOT saying these things because im making money from WoN

If you ask me about goddyear tyres versus nangkangs i will also tell you which i think is better, or megasquirt versus pectal T6

Im just being honest and objective!


Ask a NOS dealer if you want mate, and i absolutely guarentee that they cannot give you ANY technical reasons why a NOS solenoid is better than a WON one!

[chip-3door]

Ps

The cold fusion stuff you are rubbising is almost identical in design to the NOS stuff you are saying i shouldnt rubbish

[Kos]

i'm gone

[chip-3door]

i'm gone

Why does it offend you so much that NOS products are inferior?

If anyone thinks that any comment ive made is unfair or inaccurate then i would be very receptive to hearing why.

As ive said, im not here to promote one particular kit or anything, im just giving my honest opinion on them.

[stevetigger]

No it offends him that you keep on and on Chip! People dont care really, and people can buy what they like and think what they like! Thats what makes us humans!

And before you continue, I dont care about NOs or wizard or whatever!
It gets boring when people go on about sumit they know about, Would you like me to write five pages about insects??? Because I have more facts about them than you! And like I said, Dont bother trying to justify why you are writing pages and pages because your right, we really just dont care!
I had a door to door salesman come to my house once and he told me I could get cheaper GAS from him, I said I pick who I go with because I can! Thats what makes me me, I pointed at the 325i Sport on the drive and told him that if money was an issue I would have a diesel, not a 2.5.
The point Im making in total is, for people to say sumit then for you to go page after page after page about sumit else gets boring! We are here because of our love for cars and facts be them right or wrong!


So all in all, please no more pages of facts THAT ARE RIGHT but just lets have some input and be done! Do I come round your house and tell you how using different coffee is far better than the one you use now.......NO thats because its irrelevent.

Thanks for taking the time to read this as it has taking me some time and I dont like typing loads and loads, unlike you! Once again sumit different between us, which is what makes people people!

[chip-3door]

Stevetigger, if i was on a coffee forum asking about coffee and what coffee i should be using, then i would be very greatful if you took the time to tell me all about the details of different coffees, if you just turned up at my house randomly and started saying it to me then i wouldnt be interested.

Likewise if i was interested insects and posted a thread on an insect forum about ants or something and you came back with lots of accurate information about ants then i would be greatful, if you did it on the coffee forum though, i would think you weird!



Let me get this straight, you think im doing something wrong by being on a car forum, in a thread about nitrous, discussing with people different make nitrous kits and why they should avoid the ones that are likely to melt their engine!?


Unfucking believable, like you it DID take me ages to type all that out, and the ONLY reason i have done so is to help others better understand the relative strengths of the kits available!

[stevetigger]

Unfucking believable, like you it DID take me ages to type all that out, and the ONLY reason i have done so is to help others better understand the relative strengths of the kits available!

But you did that in your first few posts! Do you understand that?? Its not unbelieveable.

[chip-3door]

Unfucking believable, like you it DID take me ages to type all that out, and the ONLY reason i have done so is to help others better understand the relative strengths of the kits available!

But you did that in your first few posts! Do you understand that?? Its not unbelieveable.

If i did that in my first few posts, then why did he keep disagreeing?

As long as anyone didnt understand the point i was making i was prepared to keep pointing out more and more things until they did understand.

Is that not what happens on every thread on here where people try and help each other?

If i asked you about insects and didnt quite understand you the first few times and kept saying contradicting things wouldnt you take the time to keep trying to teach me until i did understand?

I thought that was what the technical section of car forums were all about, to help each other understand, however long that takes?

[Kos]

Unfucking believable, like you it DID take me ages to type all that out, and the ONLY reason i have done so is to help others better understand the relative strengths of the kits available!

But you did that in your first few posts! Do you understand that?? Its not unbelieveable.

If i did that in my first few posts, then why did he keep disagreeing?

As long as anyone didnt understand the point i was making i was prepared to keep pointing out more and more things until they did understand.

Is that not what happens on every thread on here where people try and help each other?

If i asked you about insects and didnt quite understand you the first few times and kept saying contradicting things wouldnt you take the time to keep trying to teach me until i did understand?

I thought that was what the technical section of car forums were all about, to help each other understand, however long that takes?

my point was originally that i personally prefer high power like you but nos has its merits to, which you dismiss. full stop

i disagree, you think you are right ........whatever

[stevetigger]

So will I have to keep telling you to stop posting pages and pages of FACTS, no....Thats because you know what Im on about!

As long as anyone didnt understand the point i was making i was prepared to keep pointing out more and more things until they did understand.

And he did understand, He was just saying he had a different OPINION like you keep saying! And he stopped when he knew it got boring, NOT when

Why does it offend you so much that NOS products are inferior?

When you think it offended him! So can we stop now or do I have to keep going until you understand??

[chip-3door]

But you did that in your first few posts! Do you understand that?? Its not unbelieveable.

If i did that in my first few posts, then why did he keep disagreeing?

As long as anyone didnt understand the point i was making i was prepared to keep pointing out more and more things until they did understand.

Is that not what happens on every thread on here where people try and help each other?

If i asked you about insects and didnt quite understand you the first few times and kept saying contradicting things wouldnt you take the time to keep trying to teach me until i did understand?

I thought that was what the technical section of car forums were all about, to help each other understand, however long that takes?

my point was originally that i personally prefer high power like you but nos has its merits to, which you dismiss. full stop

i disagree, you think you are right ........whatever

I would like to know what you think those merits are please, after all this is a thread about nitrous on a car forum. so if you have some knowledge on the subject it would be nice to hear it.

so ANY technical merits you think the NOS system has im very interested in and its completely on topic for this thread too.

I hope you are a helpful enough person to take the time to type them out for me.

Thanks


Chip

[stevetigger]

I can tell you the merits and I know nothing about NOS.

Its a well know brand, like you said McDonalds......but Burger King is better!

Same goes with NOS, go out in public and do ask a hundred people.....What do you think the answer would be!

[chip-3door]

And he did understand, He was just saying he had a different OPINION like you keep saying!

I didnt state an opinion at any point, i stuck to the facts, and i kept asking him to do the same, as thats whats actuall useful!

So can we stop now or do I have to keep going until you understand??

If you would like to take the time to talk to people about what you feel is an acceptable volume of text to type in a technical discussion on a car forum then thats great.

Start a thread in pub talk where its appropriate and those who are interested can read it, those who arent (like myself) will not click on the thread and therefore not have their time wasted by reading about something that doesnt interest them.
Thats the great thing about threaded forums

[chip-3door]

I can tell you the merits and I know nothing about NOS.

Its a well know brand, like you said McDonalds......but Burger King is better!

Same goes with NOS, go out in public and do ask a hundred people.....What do you think the answer would be!

Thats only a merit from a fashion point of view, not a technical one.
Im sure some people are interested in nitrous for fashion as opposed to for making power, but im not personally interested in it that way.

I cant comment on mcdonalds versus burgerking as im not one of the countries most knowledgeable people in the field of fastfood, so i will stick it nitrous where i am ;)

[Kos]

right, firstly i'm not too technical about it, however i keep stating i have only dealt with it on street cars, and for which i recomend high power, which is what you like

now as for NOS, almost every one in tha states uses it, they were the first do develop it for automotive use and also a lot of recers here use it, its made by holley and has been top of the game for many many years, so it must be good.
you don not produce a shit product and keep selling it
you pointed out some of it merits, eg injectors
technical jargan aside thats my point, power to the people blah blah blah

[chip-3door]

right, firstly i'm not too technical about it, however i keep stating i have only dealt with it on street cars, and for which i recomend high power, which is what you like

now as for NOS, almost every one in tha states uses it, they were the first do develop it for automotive use and also a lot of recers here use it, its made by holley and has been top of the game for many many years, so it must be good.
you don not produce a shit product and keep selling it

technical jargan aside thats my point, power to the people blah blah blah

Talking to you is like banging my head against a brick wall, LOL

The main reason it gets used in the states, is that its cheap there, in this country a NOS kit or a WoN kit cost about the same and are both readily available, in the states a WoN kit is a pretty much an exotic import and few people have even heard of it.
They cant easily get spare parts for it over there either, where as NOS parts are practically available at the local 7-11

Certain top racers use WoN stateside but the man in the street hasnt even heard of it, that doesnt stop it being better than what they have heard of though, they are ONLY using NOS for economic reasons or reasons of ignorance, no one who understand nitrous properly and has the budget to choose would pick NOS ever.
Americans are very inwardly focussed on many things and arent generally open to ideas from outside the US

As i said earlier, almost everyone in the states uses mcdonalds, but if this thread was about where to take your girlfriend for a nice meal, i wouldnt recomend mcdonalds personally, even though "500 million americans cant be wrong" or whatever.

[stevetigger]

any one ever done it on a unmodified 2.5 m20 lump, just wondering if its a good road 2 go down.

Chip, Did you answer this question???

[Kos]

but if this thread was about where to take your girlfriend for a nice meal, i wouldnt recomend mcdonalds personally, even though "500 million americans cant be wrong" or whatever.

pointless comparison

[stevetigger]

Talking to you is like banging my head against a brick wall, LOL

And you, Did you answer the thread starters question??

[chip-3door]

but if this thread was about where to take your girlfriend for a nice meal, i wouldnt recomend mcdonalds personally, even though "500 million americans cant be wrong" or whatever.

pointless comparison

Why is it?

You are saying NOS must be good quality products if loads of americans use it, how is that any different to me saying mcdonalds must be good quality food if loads of americans eat that?

[chip-3door]

Talking to you is like banging my head against a brick wall, LOL

And you, Did you answer the thread starters question??

He asked if nitrous works on an E30, i gave lots of information useful to him about how the different kits work, so if fitting one to his E30 he knows which one to choose.

so yes, absolutely i did sir

although like most technical threads on car forums, once one question is answered another similar one occurs, so i was more directly answering those statements with regards to the merits of various kits.

hope that helps


Chip

[Kos]

but if this thread was about where to take your girlfriend for a nice meal, i wouldnt recomend mcdonalds personally, even though "500 million americans cant be wrong" or whatever.

pointless comparison

Why is it?

You are saying NOS must be good quality products if loads of americans use it, how is that any different to me saying mcdonalds must be good quality food if loads of americans eat that?

because mac d's is nice,but i would take my girl there

[stevetigger]

Right then, shut up then because your not getting anywhere with Kos and he has his own opinion!

[chip-3door]

Right then, shut up then because your not getting anywhere with Kos and he has his own opinion!

Thats ok, cause im not just talking to Kos, im talking to anyone reading this who might be misled by his opinion based on fashion, and for anyone who searches in the future on this forum for information about the relative strengths of different make nitrous kits, which is without a doubt a very useful for this site to contain for people.

Im trying to work out what your motivation for posting is though as i cant see you saying anything thats actually useful to anyone interested in E30's or cars or engine or nitrous or anything else even vaguely on topic?

[Kos]

Right then, shut up then because your not getting anywhere with Kos and he has his own opinion!

i do have my own oppinoin and thank you steve for noticing.

as i've fitted a nos kit to an e30, i gave my feed back and got lynched for it

cant be bothered now

[Kos]

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FITTING 50-100HP KIT ON A STREET CAR

where the technical bullshit you co on about is pointless unless you ave a race/drag car!!!

any decent kit from either WoN NOS or NX will be fine, cold fusion is a company jumping on the band waggon to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


thats my,point happy!!!

[chip-3door]

Right then, shut up then because your not getting anywhere with Kos and he has his own opinion!

i do have my own oppinoin and thank you steve for noticing.

as i've fitted a nos kit to an e30, i gave my feed back and got lynched for it

cant be bothered now

I didnt lynch you, i corrected you.


If i posted on this forum i believed 325's to have a 5 cylinder 10v engine in my opinion, i would get corrected that its in fact a 12v 6cylinder they came with.

If i kept saying my opinion was different people would keep correcting me.