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Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:34 am

Copied from elsewhere, so if the odd bit makes no sense, thats why.

With another child on the way i needed to have my sensible head on and either keep the AMG Wagon or maybe even look at something newer and more sensible like an m5 touring or something.

But then i spotted this on ebay and thought i would have a look being that I was popping over to the Uk for a few weeks.
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So, story goes that I had swung by to stay with Herr Smith (ollie) for a few days so with one mention of an e30 m3 we were blazing a trail through the December snow to Bicester where we finally arrived in the snow tyre equipped C32 in fine spirits to a yard full of old WW1 and WW2 tanks and rotting Alpha's. hopes were not high at this point as generally piles of rusty rotting machinery are accompanied by other piles of rotting machinery.

Anyway upon meeting the owners father he pointed to a pile of e30 shaped snow and produced a broom which after some action produced a very blue e30 m3.
At this point the car had no plates, so after cranking it over myself and Ollie did the kind of ultra through inspection that you do in minus 6 degrees in a load of snow, namely mooched round it while it warmed up and tried to put our hands through any of the standard e30 rot spots (if i remember correctly Smith did the Mclaren approved "jump up and down in the back and see if you fall through or anything falls off" test. The other issue was the car was still registered in Holland and had no MOT or proper title documents.

Being that neither of us were able to put a hand through the body and Smith hadn't shot through the boot floor i took it for a spin, in the ice on aged "champiro" tyres. Much to our surprise other than being biblically loud, way too low, switching its self off randomly and having no real traction it was ok.

We subsequently pissed off to thaw out drink booze and watch the DTM golden years while I gnawed away at the idea of making an offer, with one project already well underway and another child immanent I really didn't need this thing. However they are only getting more expensive and if i am going to have one I am not going to pay through the nose for it, so it was a bit now or never.

A few days passed and I caved, persuaded my long suffering partner to sell her 320d, have my C32 until she wanted something else and i would use the e30 m3 daily, it was the only way buying it really made sense. That said i was still not fully committed so made a low (ish, low is a relative number when it comes to e30 m3's) offer on the basis that the car was MOT'd and delivered to Smiths folks house in the price.

The seller agreed,
shit, shit shit, bollocks i have bought a old car i don't need, fuck.
A week or so later the car arrived, it had needed a few rubber brake pipes for the MOT, but had a 12 month ticket, which was the important bit as it allowed me to get it registered and taxed and therefore mobile.

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Smith did some sterling work in coordinating the registration of the car (without his help i wouldn't own it, so much of the blame / credit goes to him for getting it into the uk) suffice it to say that it needed to be trailer to the DVLA office for an inspection before we could get documents produced for it despite it having been registered previously in the uk.

While it had sat on Smiths parents drive, the brakes had failed totally (always a good reassuring start) so having kicked about the options it was decided that it would go directly from the DVLA offices to Mosley Motorsport to get a check over and the brakes fixed so that when i flew in it was in some sort of running order.

Mosleys fixed the brakes (hoses not properly done up (thanks whoever did that, you are a dick)) fixed the cutting out issue, dodgy pin on the ignition, fitted new front drop links, a new uprated rear diff bush, balanced the throttles, replaced a load of rad hoses and gave it a full set of fluids. After that little lot, it received a gushing
not a bad car that
from Nigel Mosley.

At this point i flew in to pick the bugger up, and attend a wedding / see family and friends what this meant was that the car went from sitting about doing nothing to doing over a thousand miles in a week, a bit of a baptism of fire. The car performed admirably for an old bus and never let me down though it did reveal a few niggles, the most annoying of which was that it randomly main beamed other cars at night, this was temporarily resolved by wedging a costa coffee receipt behind the wiper stalk, though not before i had indicated to every chav and dickhead in a 200 mile radius of Birmingham that i wanted a drag race.

So after that epic a bit about the car:

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Its a late (December) 88 car and is unusual for a few reasons: it has no sunroof, it has cruise control and it has an american spec front bumper. it was bought in Dingolfing in germany, where bmw also have a very large plant, so it may have been a employee car hence the weird spec? Or possibly a US soldier (cruse, us bumper). The US bumper is a bit of a plus as the side markers mean i don't have to make any holes in the wings.

The car also benefits from a map light mirror, upgraded (for 1988) sound system and a full OBC.

It was originally red, but was repainted in 1998 in Germany, the colour may not be everyone's taste but its a proper engine out job with everything having been painted (engine bay under the sound deadening, under the carpets, the lot) so it will be staying blue while i own it, unless i have some sort of Arianism and decide to do a full factory resto.

Now, onto the work and whatnot:

First off, the stereo was arse, i wanted something that would cover, Navigation, media, Bluetooth and CD. So a Becker it was ,i really wanted a cascade, but i dont want to pay £750 for a second hand unit, if one pops up for sensible money i will be on it.

As it is I fitted an Indianapolis Pro. All the connectors for these things cost a fortune so I just bough t some mini iso blocks and made up my own mic and aux lines etc (the mic is just there at the moment as the hole was already present.

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The main beam issue drove me nuts, so that was quickly sorted with a replacement stalk, complicated slightly by 24 year old wiring :roll:

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Done:

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Next up the ABS lamp went off suspiciously close to the alternator light, a quick stamp on the pedal confirmed that the abs was certainly not working at it should which ment the lanp had been pissed about with.

Dash out and split down, oh looky, what a surprise:

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Some arsehole rather than fixing the problem had cut through the circuits on the board with a scribe and wired the points to the alternator lamp.

As the board tracks had been cut i needed to link into the last good position.

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Bingo, working fault lamp

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The alternator was also behaving oddly, almost like the recertifyer was earthing, a search revealed that captain crimp had been in again :roll:

Unrequired random live extension linked with no insulation, nice.

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Load of junk removed.

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I am not a fan of the old bed spring chain tensioners as they dynamically ally force, and being that its an old engine i may have some additional end float on the crank.

So out with the old leaky one.

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In with the nice evo one

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The black grills were all chipped and generally looked shabby, so a coat of etch and a fel layers of satin to refresh them (will probably switch back to chrome but for now at least they are tidy).

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Then spanked it over the mountain a few times:

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Got to love Champiro tyres, less grip is more fun sometimes
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:35 am

Nasty fuel smell traced to perishing regulator hose.

Old, very crap.

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New genuine shaped replacement

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Oil leaks, lots of them.

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Will tackle them one at a time as i do other jobs.

Inlet cam cap is fist in line:

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Again more crap work, rather than replace the 66p seal, just put a load of silicone on it, awesome.

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Done properly with new seals

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Annoying ziptie bundle of Ht's and king lead

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New tube and fittings (king lead replaced also as it was tired)

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New choke switch as its a bit on the rich side.

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Few more snaps at its too low ride height (shortly to be changing).

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The front suspension on the car is nice frsh looking Koni adjustables, the rear however are some nasty looking creamy rusty saggy struts.

So, package arrives:

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Now you may be wondering why i am not fitting Koni's to the rear, and its a fair question. I have had Koni's on the back of other M3's and they are brilliant and very long lasting.

Unfortunately they are also a complete bastard to adjust, the front's are top adjustable, the rear however need to come off the car every time, and need to be torn down so you can compress the damper rod to engage the valve, this makes initial setup very laborious.

The Avo's are rebuild-able, and on car adjustable and come with a silicone damper boot, so on with it.

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old junk (think these are tein springs as they are green but painted over with black (patented e30 rear barrel spring remover pictured at bottom).

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New (avo adjustable damper unit, Rogue engineering topmounts, eibach springs)

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Sometimes i think i should work for health and safety, but then i also think about buying some spring compressors....

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Done

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Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:37 am

Ebay £3 video camera zip tied onto the kidney grills before taking over the mountain section of the TT course on "mad Sunday"

This is before the rear suspension change as its not yet dialled in, and still on the "champiro's" Its no where near a 10/10ths run as mad Sunday is not the day for it, to many silly bikers.

Still nice to be able to pass a police freelander at cir 100mph and not go to prison :lol: (also video proof that there is always some penis in an Audi diesel trying to hold you out on an overtake :roll: )

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Bit more progress (some of it done in the dark, assembling engines in the dark is never a good call but i was on a bit of a roll). Anyway finished it off last night and took if for a run to hear the difference.

Pulled the old air box off (accidentally deleted the pic of this) and it was reassuringly dry and clean which either means that the separator on the s14 works brilliantly or that i am not getting too much leak down. I am of course assuming that it is the latter :D

initial fit up to work out what needed to be done.

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As you can see its a nicely made thing with proper flanges milled in alloy then bonded into the carbon box.

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Had to make up a hos adaptor for the breather pipe, fortunately i had a choppped up s54 plenum lying about so i was able to use that to complete the job.

Fitted

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Once fitted i thought it would be rude not to take it for a spin (apologies for the video angle, ziptie headrest mount was not of a pro standard!) and it sounds really nice, little bit of a pick up in performance which i would attribute to making sure everything was tightly sealed rather than the box its self.

Cars handling a bit weird as its on eibachs at the rear and Tein? at the front, also with the stiffer AVO dampers the thinning Champiro rears are getting a bit lively :lol:

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Bit more work done over the weekend (once again quite a bit done in the dark by the light from my phone :roll: ) i really must get some proper work lights.

With the s14 being both an old and expensive engine I was keen to be able to keep a close eye on oil pressure as the idiot light only comes on under 7psi which is way way too low to be of any real use.

Most aftermarket gauges look pretty shit, as do the panels with most of the e30 versions taking up storage which is at a bit of a premium in the e30 and require the dash or console to be cut.

After some searching I located an ashtray replacement mount in the states which allowed me to retain the useful front cubby and didn't require any chopping of the dash or other panels. this was made to my spec with two gauge holes and a fag lighter hole.

The panel is nicely made with a good sharp bends smooth edges and a sand blasted and painted finish.

Next up i located some old school VDO gauges from an old Audi/golf these are the same make as all the dash instrumentation so all the fonts and branding match the existing equipment, i was keen to find a set with complete pigtails and lighting looms.

This was secured from a chap on e30 zone and i used some of the cut off wiring from the e36 to make up splice in looms that are more or less self contained using bmw wiring.

The e30 lighter is integrated into the ashtray so not suitable for this application, so i robbed the one from the track car and trimmed the lighting ring a touch to make it a snap in fit.

The only other work required was to make up some brackets to secure the gauges from some thin strip aluminium.

With that done the pod was wired into the accessory and lighting sockets.

resulting in this:


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I am very pleased with the appearance as it blends in nicely with the interior and has non of that aftermaket gash feel to it.

I am of course similarly pleased with the 2.6 bar cold idle and 1.2 bar hot idle! :D

Quick snap of it in motion that cropped up on a local site

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Awesome! :D
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:29 am

:cool: Nice
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:44 pm

tip of the hat sir from a fellow m3 owner.

I remember seeing this a while back and wonder where it went.

not the original colour but what is that blue?
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:11 pm

Great thread and great IOM video!
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Is the Laguna Seca Blue? :cool:

Very nice 8)
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:24 pm

The car was originally zinnobar red but was repainted in santorini blue (e36 colour) in 1996 in germany.

Thanks for the comments chaps :D
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:41 pm

Wasn't this a zoners car?
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:46 pm

Rav335uk wrote:Wasn't this a zoners car?
I was gonna say i'd seen it before or there is at least another the same colour but the Holland reg plates don't ring a bell :?
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:47 am

There are 2 others that i know of in this colour (probably more that i don't) one with a numberplate with Tej in it and one with a french or something plate.
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Cracking read, cracking car :cool:
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:46 am

That is a bit of that is. Good read too.
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:25 pm

Great car and very nice post! Thanks!
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Right, well been a while since updating this but in a nut shell the car has been jut getting thrashed. However its also become apparent that it is a little less than water tight, so after some proper investigation this has happened.

Engine out
Gearbox out
Windscreen out
Carpet out
Dash out

All rot will be found and cut out then replaced either with bmw repair panels or fresh steel

Engine will also be getting some work, though reduced in scope to what i had originally planned.

Interestingly while stripping out the dash and wiring yesterday i found part of a rally timing computer.......

Engine out:
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Grot inside the scuttle, nice (screen and dash out)

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Rot in the "battery tray" actually the header tank support

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Passenger side foot well providing additional ventilation

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Will take more, better pictures later but was flat out stripping all the interior out
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Bit more done.

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Drivers side wheel housing is pretty nasty, so it will all need chopping out and fresh steel.

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This has been compounded by lots of really poor quality repairs over the years, things like this

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What you can see that is 1mm steel plate tacked over rust so poorly i could pull it off and bent it 180 degrees by hand. completely pointless ineffectual repair, i don't even know why they bothered.

The actual front of the car is good, with no actual rust to speak of.

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The drivers side wheel housing is actually quite good but has has a previous low quality repair, annoyingly the repair, though minor welded the base of the wing to the sill, so i am going to see what the price is for a new pair, if its a bit steep than the existing ones can be easily repaired.

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I have ordered a complete new scuttle (and other steel work for the engine bay) from BMW so the existing scuttle will be cut out in its entirety and replaced as previous repairs were made with filler.

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The rear of the car is very good with very very little in the way of rust, though what is there will be repaired.

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Also orders are two complete floor repair kits which will both replace the damaged sections and are stronger than the original being double skinned and thicker without the water traps.

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I have also bought some 7 series bbs RZ's which are ideal and a fraction of the cost of e30 specific 16's, they are a very slightly lower offset (20 Vs 23) and have a bit more lip but are in keeping with the car, as the condition of them was nothing to write home about i have done a rattle can re-paint.

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Sun May 11, 2014 3:00 pm

IainW wrote: Grot inside the scuttle, nice (screen and dash out)

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there's a very good chance that grot will extend to the lower bulkhead.. :(

you have your work cut out for you there !! Great project :)
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Sun May 11, 2014 3:04 pm

Can't see any at the moment but all the deadening will come out of the engine bay so it will be apparent then and will be addressed. The drivers side of the car seems to be in much better order as it spent a good portion of its life in Germany and Holland so wasn't running through the gutters.

Never the less it will be checked and made good as required.
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Sun May 11, 2014 3:10 pm

That's in worse shape than my '86 chromie. 8O
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Sun May 11, 2014 3:13 pm

Loving the rust / bodge pics ! :) I assume you are going back to zinnobar red ?
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Sun May 11, 2014 3:25 pm

pacerpete wrote:Loving the rust / bodge pics ! :) I assume you are going back to zinnobar red ?
This,

I think this is your best chance whilst most of its stripped to change to the original colour.
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Sun May 11, 2014 3:50 pm

I wonder what freak resprayed to this horrid colour. Needs to go back to red.
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I think the colour is great!
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brettski wrote:I think the colour is great!

Yes on a tekkk 2 from down the road from me,but not on an m3
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Sun May 11, 2014 5:40 pm

i am not putting it back to red, i have considered it, but it wont be happening at this juncture for the following reasons:

1 i quite like the colour, as many people love it as hate it
2 the blue goes absolutely everywhere so to do it properly the car needs to be completely and utterly stripped then either blasted with soda or soft sand this it not a quick job, as in reality it will mean that every part will then be blasted poweder coated or replaced, as obviously i an not going to put brown running gear back on a fully repainted shell.
3 unlike pretty much all other e30 m3's i actually do drive this, it goes to the shops, work etc and as such creating some show and shine queen is not something that appeals to me. The mechanical components of this car are excellent and it drives very very well i want the body to be tidy and filler and rust free beyond that is showfag territory :wink:
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Sun May 11, 2014 10:41 pm

All of the bulkhead scuttle area around the windscreen can be drafted from a normal E30. The only thing you need to do around the window from a donar e30 is extend the metal lip for the windscreen bonding.

Nice car, Like others have mentioned i have seen this car before on pistonheads years ago for sale.

Anyway up to you what colour you paint it.

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Mon May 12, 2014 11:58 am

I am hoping to be able to repair any bulkhead sections rather than cut and replace if i am honest (the bodyshop is a proper english wheel type affair so can make up panels as required) but obviously the more i strip it the better the assesment.
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Looks like you could do with a new OBC display...
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Speedtouch wrote:Image

Looks like you could do with a new OBC display...
Yep, its crocked, if you have one and don't want a kidney for it, don't be shy :D
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Sorry, I don't have any OBC stuff available.

According to some guy on this thread, the displays aren't replaceable, so you'll probably need to swap it for another OBC:

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Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:36 am

Ok so quick update on progress.

Bought lots of stuff from bmw (all the usual clips washers and other bollox) Completely stripped out the car with the exception of the loom and column to fully assess the work required.

Interior has been fully re-trimmed in black nappa with a pale blue stitch (will get some pics of that) and had heated seat mats added (all the original cloth has been retained, not decided if i will sell it as a kit or keep it with the car).

New Cecotto front chin spoiler and all fixings has been purchased (genuine)
Most of the required bods steel repair panels have been purchased (genuine)
A GRP evo adjutable rear spoiler (i just couldn't find a decent second hand one and couldn't stomach the cost of a new one from bmw)

So on with the gore.

Passenger foot well, essentially pretty ruined (liquid is a mug of spilt tea) will need work in addition to the repair plates sadly.

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Driver side footwell, moderate ruination here but will be easily resolved with the repair plates

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Drivers side wheel house, yep, could drain some pasta through that.

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Under the abs pump, not bad actually, just needs a good clean, prime and paint. I had bought the panels to replace all this as i assumed it would be rubber ducked.

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The other side however, got stuck into, again all original bmw panels to repair (these are just there for test fitting and not welded right now)

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Fortunately the speakers have been collecting the rust from the footwells = zero hoovering

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Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:18 pm

Hi,

Great thread.

Where did you source the floor pan repair kit from?

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