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Thu May 08, 2014 6:53 pm

I always thought to drift you needed a LSD or welded diff

Just saw this post where 120d is drifting with open diff
How is that possible with open diff ?
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522718

What are the major differences in drifting with LSD v drifting with open diff ?
Thanks very much
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Thu May 08, 2014 7:03 pm

Any RWD car can be made to drift quite easily, given a slippery enough surface and a reasonable amount of power, even a Morris Minor!

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Thu May 08, 2014 7:08 pm

I think with LSD feels a bit more controllable and progressive when is drifting (than open diff)
Get more traction too from tight corners
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Thu May 08, 2014 7:09 pm

Speedtouch wrote:Any RWD car can be made to drift quite easily, given a slippery enough surface and a reasonable amount of power, even a Morris Minor!

The Morris Minor isn't lairy thoygh
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The only RWD car I've ever had difficulty drifting was a 594cc Fiat 126 - it was so gutless, it would struggle to pull a wheelspin on loose gravel!
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Thu May 08, 2014 7:29 pm

I've drifted with all 3. Open diff is ok when drifting in 1 direction, try transitioning and its much harder to link a course. LSD is ok if its in good order, most are crap and wont lock as much as they should, a welder is much better as you know its locked and will be very easy to skid. Drifters either use welders or 1.5/2 way LSD.
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Thu May 08, 2014 7:38 pm

diable wrote:Real drifters don't need LSD's
Exactly. The bloke who owns Longstone tyres can drift a 2.0 Mark 5 Ford Cortina like a pro.
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Thu May 08, 2014 7:46 pm

Ideal job to be in for a drifter winkeye
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Thu May 08, 2014 9:02 pm

GB69 wrote:I've drifted with all 3. Open diff is ok when drifting in 1 direction, try transitioning and its much harder to link a course. LSD is ok if its in good order, most are crap and wont lock as much as they should, a welder is much better as you know its locked and will be very easy to skid. Drifters either use welders or 1.5/2 way LSD.
Aren't standard BMW LSDs for E30s 2 way ?
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Thu May 08, 2014 9:05 pm

Nah doubt it, 2 way LSD like KAAZ are £1,000 plus.
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Thu May 08, 2014 9:09 pm

diable wrote:Real drifters don't need LSD's
With an open diff you can get in a slide but holding the drift and/or transitioning the drift eg figures of 8 isn't that difficult with open diff ?

Every drifting guide I have seen on the Internet says you need RWD and LSD (or if you are tight welded diff). I would just be concerned about the safety aspects and legality of welded diff.

Presumably the same skills are required whether you have LSD, open diff, welded diff.

I have had some sideways moments with E30 and open diff using power oversteer (ie too much throttle on exit), lift off oversteer (ie lifting off in the middle of the corner) or braking in the corner (I don't know what the technical drifting technique for this one is called)

I haven't tried clutch kick, dirt drop techniques
Never done any donuts in my own car or proper burnouts
And I am ashamed to admit I don't know how to do a handbrake turn
Maybe some one can teach me on here :-) ????

Just learning how the E30 is with LSD and getting used to it.
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Thu May 08, 2014 9:25 pm

best thing to do is take it to a dead road and abuse it that's the only way your gona learn :D
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Thu May 08, 2014 9:35 pm

I thought the OP was an OEM Homo type, bit surprised to hear about the new drifting career. Wouldn't a more executive form of motorsport be more suitable? :?
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Thu May 08, 2014 9:48 pm

You definitely know about clutch kick when you do it accidentally 8O
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Thu May 08, 2014 9:49 pm

rh306 wrote:I thought the OP was an OEM Homo type, bit surprised to hear about the new drifting career. Wouldn't a more executive form of motorsport be more suitable? :?

He's an Ilford boy, the streak is a mile wide ! :)
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rh306 wrote:I thought the OP was an OEM Homo type, bit surprised to hear about the new drifting career. Wouldn't a more executive form of motorsport be more suitable? :?
Lol what made you think I was OEM homo type rh306 ?
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Thu May 08, 2014 9:51 pm

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rh306 wrote:I thought the OP was an OEM Homo type, bit surprised to hear about the new drifting career. Wouldn't a more executive form of motorsport be more suitable? :?

He's an Ilford boy, the streak is a mile wide ! :)
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You got the homo bit right! :D

Pony just realised he's wasted a lot of money on his recent purchase.
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Gert_8 wrote:You got the homo bit right! :D

Pony just realised he's wasted a lot of money on his recent purchase.
I haven't wasted any money u cunt
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Thu May 08, 2014 10:10 pm

pony wrote:Aren't standard BMW LSDs for E30s 2 way ?
Yes they are. Yours is :)

They can be altered for different lock percentages for drive and coast too, making them 1.5 way.

Get yourself to a drift day and find someone who knows their shizzle and get them to take you out and show you the ropes. Plenty of people there to lend a hand and advise. Despite their tatoo'd faces, most drifters are pretty friendly :)

I learned to drift the old skool way, in a mk2 escort (when they were £500 for a minter... mine cost £70!) in a gravel car park. Less grip and less speed is handy when you're learning.

If you can find a skid pan day you can learn loads at lower speeds and with less stress on the car (even someone else's car!) to save the embarrassment and hassle/cost of binning your car with an audience! :D
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pony wrote:
rh306 wrote:I thought the OP was an OEM Homo type, bit surprised to hear about the new drifting career. Wouldn't a more executive form of motorsport be more suitable? :?
Lol what made you think I was OEM homo type rh306 ?
..not sure, I remember some heavy love for that Park Lane E21 a while back. Good to see you posting again though, zone legend IMO :thumb:
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pony wrote: Lol what made you think I was OEM homo type rh306 ?
..not sure, I remember some heavy love for that Park Lane E21 a while back. Good to see you posting again though, zone legend IMO :thumb:
Are you in love?
..sounds like I might have missed that particular boat 8O
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pony wrote:
rh306 wrote:I thought the OP was an OEM Homo type, bit surprised to hear about the new drifting career. Wouldn't a more executive form of motorsport be more suitable? :?
Lol what made you think I was OEM homo type rh306 ?
..not sure, I remember some heavy love for that Park Lane E21 a while back. Good to see you posting again though, zone legend IMO :thumb:
Yes I am half OEM homo half wide boy
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pony wrote:
Gert_8 wrote:You got the homo bit right! :D

Pony just realised he's wasted a lot of money on his recent purchase.
I haven't wasted any money u ****
Hahahaha. You charming mongtard. :D
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pony wrote:Aren't standard BMW LSDs for E30s 2 way ?
Yes they are. Yours is :)

They can be altered for different lock percentages for drive and coast too, making them 1.5 way.

Get yourself to a drift day and find someone who knows their shizzle and get them to take you out and show you the ropes. Plenty of people there to lend a hand and advise. Despite their tatoo'd faces, most drifters are pretty friendly :)

I learned to drift the old skool way, in a mk2 escort (when they were £500 for a minter... mine cost £70!) in a gravel car park. Less grip and less speed is handy when you're learning.

If you can find a skid pan day you can learn loads at lower speeds and with less stress on the car (even someone else's car!) to save the embarrassment and hassle/cost of binning your car with an audience! :D
Cheers Gareth :-)
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Remember that video of the kid that borrowed his mum's car and ended up hitting a lamp post head on?...... Pone's future. :)
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