'The Old Hound' 1986 Tech 1

[bab-91]

I've had mine longer than that, but wouldn't dream of splashing big bags on it in large chunks. Perhaps because it's council.

If you say so

[Fastroad]

Bab when is it going to shot blasted or you in two minds about doing it?

[bab-91]

Bab when is it going to shot blasted or you in two minds about doing it?

Two minds, got a quote for dipping today and it's actually not as high as I had expected it to would be, compared to the cost of blasting that is. Dipping is the ideal way to go but getting it back & forth is a problem.

[polsta]

What are the prices bab ?

Don't forget soda blasting is a lot much more labour intensive/man hours, and prob doesn't get as deep in the nooks and crannies either

[e30topless]

one thing to consider when dipping a bare shell is the process, I have considered it a few times but never gone down that road,

the geezers who do this horrible job with dangerous chemicals are shall we say... not too bright ? one thing is for certain they really don't care about your turd and how it will turn out, being in any job on minimum wage tends to have that effect,

a friend of mine has had his car dipped, a sport evo, sadly somewhere along the line a few cavities, sills/box sections /inner flitches/floor sections were not rinsed/neutralised/jetwashed from the stripping acid properly, some area's can't even be reached !
and in some places that same acid has stayed in porous metal..
the end result even after E coating ? is his 8k paint job is flaking off, and so is anything else you apply

there are a few cases of this happening including another geezer I know that had his speedster done,

if you really are going this deep with a restoration, Media blasting is IMO the way forward..

[bss325i]

But media blasting doesnt get inside box sections or between panel seams.

I hear what you are saying regards minimum wage w@nkers but as a process, dip and e coat will more thoroughly get rid of rust from hard to get areas.

[bss325i]

I have no first hand experience of this out fit but it explains with pics on the page in the link below why blasting is not as effective.

http://www.surfaceprocessing.co.uk/tech ... ocess.html

[e30topless]

But media blasting doesnt get inside box sections or between panel seams.

neither does their neutralization process ! a jetwash won't do it,

with the sport evo his five sill drains were blocked with the years of crap from inside, this retained acid which penetrated metal from the inside, and of course the jetwash process won't reach there anyway..

[maggspower]

The problem is neither process is a magic bullet, both have pros and cons, and are usually down to the numpies doing the job.

Blasting, can warp panels and unless the right media is used then there will be extra work for the painter. Using course media, and turning the pressure up, will get the paint off quick but it is also how things go wrong.

I have heared the rumours about the SPL process. Stuff they have done for me has been fine, but I have not had a full body shell done. I do know that it is likely to come back with a few more dents than it started out with.

[bss325i]

But media blasting doesnt get inside box sections or between panel seams.

neither does their neutralization process ! a jetwash won't do it,

with the sport evo his five sill drains were blocked with the years of crap from inside, this retained acid which penetrated metal from the inside, and of course the jetwash process won't reach there anyway..

An advanced agitated alkaline neutralisation and passivation immersion process designed to give maximum penetration leaves the shell in a bright, preserved condition. This is then followed by a high pressure manual wash containing a neutralising preservative which is driven into the folds, seams and recesses of the component or shell.

It seems going by their site that the neutralisation is a two stage thing where the shell is first immersed before a final pressure wash, not just a pressure wash alone.

[e30topless]

By identifying problem areas and simply providing some additional access holes for the ingress and drainage of the chemicals the SPL process can effectively clean nearly all of the rust from within the hidden areas. This section above demonstrates how searching and effective the cleaning process can be. Whilst we never guarantee 100% rust removal an area such as this could never be cleaned this effectively by any other method.

the downfalls are underlined above from their website, it's a great process, but no guarantee is implied, and additional drain holes would make me cry !!

I'm sure the E coating is the way forward but until they can guarantee the above I'm out,

[Gert_8]

I've had mine longer than that, but wouldn't dream of splashing big bags on it in large chunks. Perhaps because it's council.

If you say so

I meant mine was council, so doesn't deserve the money spent on it..

[bss325i]

I guess the jury is still out on dip and e coat but there are drain holes in all box sections on the e30 shell such as the chassis rails, sills, roof pillars.

If I were to have it done i would definitely want to spend the day there and keep a eagle eye on the MWW's.

[Gert_8]

I don't know much about either of these processes, but if I were considering doing this, I would be inclined to go with the dipping solution. My reasoning is that the dipping is a more thorough process, which will reach all those very difficult places that blasting may not, or cannot reach.

Once the shell is ready to dip, I would make a concerted effort to flush out any grime build up from the sills or box sections to avoid the potential acid traps?

[pacerpete]

Unless you have something RARE or valuable , why bother ? 20k spent on a 4 bag 15 keeper 160k patched up shitter does not = a £24k patched up shitter.

At times like this the WLN/ Avantguarde 15k 20,000 milers start to look like bargainz !

As with all cars , if you want a nice one, buy one, do not try and make a silk purse out of a sows septic ear.


PS Bab, any chance of some more inner rear arch/ scuttle pics to help us understand your situation better

[Gert_8]

^^. Patch it up and get it painted, doing a good job of it, which is what
Most people have, and would do. Makes so much sense.

[steve_k]

P40, chicken wire, hammerite, job done

[Fastroad]

P40, chicken wire, hammerite, job done

Sounds like a plan a˜±

[pacerpete]

P40, chicken wire, hammerite, job done

Sounds like a plan a˜±

It worked for the previous owner ! long enough to get it served anyway !

[steve_k]

P40, chicken wire, hammerite, job done

Sounds like a plan a˜±

It worked for the previous owner ! long enough to get it served anyway !

bit like most e30's

[pacerpete]

Even by decrepit bodged E30 standards, Babs is a bit spesh . I still recall the ad and how it waxed lyrical about this gold plated cream puff. Incredibly it was served within 5 minutes of my passage but I would like to clarify that I have NEVER seen the turd and none of the handiwork was mine

I look forward to some more pics ! To cheer me up as I toil with a couple of decrepit sorry turds today

[Fastroad]

Sounds like a plan a˜±

It worked for the previous owner ! long enough to get it served anyway !

bit like most e30's

Standard E30 practice for something that's not a keeper a˜aa˜±

[kitch]

Why not have a word with x works? He transported his shell and had it dipped. Might be able to give you a clue as to the hardship of it all?

[Gert_8]

This whole idea, IMO, is silly and an overkill. Once the work is done and the cash spunked, the rust will return - it's only a matter of time.

[Fastroad]

This whole idea, IMO, is silly and an overkill. Once the work is done and the cash spunked, the rust will return - it's only a matter of time.

Depends how the vehicle is being stored but (a big but)it should give the car a new lease of life when done properly.

[maggspower]

This whole idea, IMO, is silly and an overkill. Once the work is done and the cash spunked, the rust will return - it's only a matter of time.

Depends how the vehicle is being stored but (a big but)it should give the car a new lease of life when done properly.

The E-coat (Electrophoretic Coating) is done with the car dipped in the solution, the substance is given an electrical charge and then sticks to all the areas to be coated (in a similar way powdercoating is done), including inside sill sections, A, B and C pillars ect.

It is the way most moderns are done now. Provided that all the welding is done then the E-coating then it is the best protection you can have (If you discount the rumours of the latent solution problems)

No its not for 316 four doors obviously.

When I was there last they had Rowan Atkinson's Ford Galaxie in.

[Fastroad]

When I was there last they had Rowan Atkinson's Ford Galaxie in.

SPL??

When I visited they had a Aston Martin DB5 being done.

[maggspower]

When I was there last they had Rowan Atkinson's Ford Galaxie in.

SPL??

When I visited they had a Aston Martin DB5 being done.

Yes SPL in Dudley.

And that was the 500 version, not the people carier

[bab-91]

I've had mine longer than that, but wouldn't dream of splashing big bags on it in large chunks. Perhaps because it's council.

If you say so

I meant mine was council, so doesn't deserve the money spent on it..

Well, I completely misunderstood!

Unless you have something RARE or valuable , why bother ? 20k spent on a 4 bag 15 keeper 160k patched up shitter does not = a £24k patched up shitter.

At times like this the WLN/ Avantguarde 15k 20,000 milers start to look like bargainz !

As with all cars , if you want a nice one, buy one, do not try and make a silk purse out of a sows septic ear.


PS Bab, any chance of some more inner rear arch/ scuttle pics to help us understand your situation better

I've seen you say this before and I understand what you mean but it's not like I have any intention of serving this car to anyone? So any monetary value is completely meaningless. This car is an ongoing story/hobby that I've enjoyed thus far and hopefully will get another 20 years of enjoyment out of it. Very cynical Mr Pete! How many hobbies do people get their money back out of!

I have a few photos that I have already posted and you know what? its not as bad as you think. Rear inner & outer arches need replaced and anything else being replaced is for my peace of mind.

Patch it up and get it painted, doing a good job of it, which is what
Most people have, and would do. Makes so much sense.

How long do you think a patch up job would last?

Considering I plan to have this car long term (touch wood) It would be lunacy to spend any money on a paint job if in 5-6 years time the paint started to bubble and then where would I be, square one!

[Fastroad]

If you plan on keeping it, then then money being spent is of no relevance.

[bab-91]

Why not have a word with x works? He transported his shell and had it dipped. Might be able to give you a clue as to the hardship of it all?

I've read two of his threads and the traveling was an issue. From what I gather he traveled over with it and having got my first e30 transported through the site shiply, I know that transporting it over and back wouldn't cost a kick in the arse of £1800.

So for dipping to work I'd need to bring it myself.

[polsta]

Bab you not got any mates with a truck or even a 4x4 and hire or borrow a trailor ?

But to be fair to the above comment its far worse than just rear arches and rest is for peace of mind,its quite a bad way, we need a good pic autopsy fest !!!

[pacerpete]

Definately need more pics ! The fact that the craftsman who 'created' them inner arches is on my door step and not on the payroll saddens me !

[Fastroad]

A good set of before, in stages and final product would be great for zoners future reference if they ever wanted to take the same route. a‘a

[polsta]

I'd like to see stripped pics, rear panel areas and all inside the boot, front inner wings and rear arch walls stripped of sealant , would show more the extent

As the floor looks ropey and floor to bulkhead join is nasty as is the bulkhead corners very nasty, and sills have had repairs, them inner arches speak for themselves, its your usual tech 1 corpse but looks quite bad in the pics shown

Come on bab feed the fest !!!

Would be super to see this carried out and saved in spectacular fashion