Thinking of changing from e30 to e34 any advice?

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Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:34 pm

Hi,
I'm thinking that my e30 (325i moordoor) is probably coming to and end - it's been a good car and owes me nothing so not so bad. Having 2 kids and needing the extra room I'm looking at e34 tourings. Just wondering how they relate to the e30 as a daily? Am I right to look for a 525 in an m50 for a balance of power and economy? Any problem areas other than dodgy electrics on the 2nd sunroof and split tailgate? How do the rust issues compare to the e30?

Sorry for all the questions but you guys are a knowledgeable bunch :wink: and I appreciate the comments good or bad.

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Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:44 pm

Mike, the best e34 touring all around is probably the 525, but in all fairness most now are fooked high miles snotters :(
rot as always is an issue, sills/wings/ around the petrol flap etc. if you end up with one that has a full length sunroof then just don't open it !

an E39 touring can be a nice tram and they can be bought for not a lot now so don't rule them out either,

Ps, gimme a shout if the red turd has expired... I can dispose of it :D
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Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:49 pm

A good 525i is probably the pick of the bunch but, like most E30s, a lot of E34s are neglected sh!tters clinging to a MOT and will cost serious shekels to restore to their former glory and be decent reliable transport. :(

I'd buy on condition first rather than get hung up on engine capacity. 530i's aren't much worse on fuel due to their gearing and even humble 518i's and 520i's are pleasant, if rather lethargic, trams.

Rust is becoming a big issue on these especially rear arches, around the fuel filler flap and tailgates. If it has sill covers fitted expect large sections of said sills to be MIA.
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Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:39 pm

525i Tourings are a great car when in fine fettle, as said though most have done starship milages by now, but, as luck would have it I have an 80,000 mile 2 owner original car that will be for sale shortly :D
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Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:50 pm

Thanks for the replies, the red turds not expired yet Steve - just trying to face facts. Ad there any good e34 forums? What kind of money should I be looking at? I was thinking about an e39 but I don't quite feel grown up enough for one and I've read that the driving is more detached than the e34 - which I guess is further detached from an e30, even a sorry old one
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Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:57 pm

Try forum bmw5 for the 5-series forums.
http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/

Bear in mind, they can be a bit stuffy compared to the E30 Zone, so mind your P's and Q's! :wink:

One of the main things to look for is vague steering - these have steering boxes and are very hard on front suspension bushes, and if it's worn, the steering will be all over the shop; check also for steering wheel 'shimmy' under braking.

Otherwise, mostly reliable and well built, if lacking the nimbleness of an E30.

I owned a 1988 E34 535iSE and it would do 30+ mpg on a motorway cruise, low 20s mpg around town, so not much worse than an E30 325i.
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Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:57 pm

Chimmychanga wrote:Ad there any good e34 forums?
By far the best:

http://forum.bmw5.co.uk/
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Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:27 am

..Andyboy's book has full detail on what to look for, what model to buy etc, worth it's weight in gold :cool:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/BMW-Series-Rest ... es+everett
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rh306 wrote:..Andyboy's book has full detail on what to look for, what model to buy etc, worth it's weight in gold :cool:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/BMW-Series-Rest ... es+everett
Must get a copy of that at some point. I dug the E30 one out the other day and its still a good read.
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Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:18 pm

This seems like a conversation I can throw a few pennies at..

I've just started using a 94' e34 520i touring (se) as a daily. (going from a 04' Fabia vRS) I bought one, because, as far as I could find an E34 with an M50 is about the most reliable old hack you can choose to rock about in and I hoped it would break less then the Fabia. It's the only thing I've ever researched on the net that's had nothing but positive, happy thing's said.. I thought, well.. if the internet likes it, it must be amazing (seriously, 99% of things said about anything online is negative, but the net loooooves the e34+M50)..

I bought mine with the attitude of minor issues being just that, minor.. so my car isn't exactly pretty or perfect. BUT! It has solid back arches, mostly solid front wings and a relatively straight hatch. There's a small hole (20p) on the inside of the rear of one of the sills, not the jacking point though, but Andy tells me it'll need welding for the next MOT. For a 208k'er though, it's sound, no apparent major issues, very minor shimmy that will be sorted if it get's worse but it's subtle at the minute. As I use it it get's happier due to the fact I do at least 250 motorway miles a month, normally more. I was saying over on BMW5 just recently that when you get it up to speed, you can feel the autobahn development, it loves to go quick, well composed.

I only saw 2 cars, and bought the 2nd. The 1st was a 92 525 manual that looked brilliant in the pics (and yeah, they were up to date pics).. But it was rotting on the inside of the arches and smoked like a haddock shed... Hole in the exhaust, windows that went down but not up, you get the picture... That had done "110k" and was a wreck with a hole of about 40k in it's "FSH".. (that really wound me up, actually)..

The car I bought had a genuine FSH up too the 206k I bought it on, and a mostly solid body. What sold it was the fact that it was a daily, though.. it took the kids to school, and was owned by someone who understood the importance of servicing.. these 2 things made all the difference.

When I took it over to Andy (I'm lucky, he's close) it didn't have any major issues.. He took the water pump off and it turned out to be the original plastic unit. It's had a few bushes, a fuel pipe repair, rear pads, bonnet struts.. minor bits. I'd consider mine rough, but sound... find a nice one and it'll be a car to cherish.

As for the 520 vs 525 thing.. It aint' quick around town, keeps up though and you do have the option of holding the gear if you need to MOVE. Like I said above, though, on the Motorway it's capable. No over taking monster.. but not one of those cars you have to plan miles ahead for.. just be sure the gaps big enough...

My sunroof was sold as working, but iffy.. Previous had disconnected the switch. I drove 3 of us down to Cambridge on one of the HOT days.. I HAD to open it, opened fine.. just wouldn't close flush... much much much messing about has seen it close and seal again, but I wish I'd left it alone. The convosation with Andy when getting it safety checked went

"Does the roof work"
"Yeah, but he said it was iffy"
"Does it leak?"
"Doesn't seem to"
"Leave well alone"..

So, yeah, I want another, as a venture into what is, lets be honest, bangernomics, I'm sold.. I'm keeping my ear to the ground for a nice 525 manual tourer.. if you see one and it's tight.. be quick ;) lol.. You're not the only one looking.

One last thing.. I paid £650 and it had almost a full MOT, bursting history folder and a few months TAX... £600 - 1k seems to be the price range for most of them. Very nice, and very rough ones excluded, but as said above they're almost all going to have something wrong with them. You pick ya' demons carefully.
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Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:23 pm

Oo Oo Oo.. one more point.. If you're aiming for out and out reliability then it's gotta be a 520 as no self levelling suspension, no check control and probably no AC. Also, seems to be a lot more manual 520's about then 525's

Defiantly buy Andy's book if ya serious and be aware of the normal thing of late ones having metrics. Mine came with 16" style 5's luckily, though not E32 ones, E39 ones on which he hadn't used spigot rings.. aaahhhhhh!! I drove that thing home to Notts with those wobbly wheels! Spigot rings and a good wheel balancing took away 80% of the wobble. I bought with Wobble as had a few quid left in the kitty to sort it, would rather wobble then crusty arches... Got lucky when I worked out they were e39 wheels causing a lot of the wobble.

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Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:45 pm

The reason the 520s have manual boxes is because they are underpowered for such a large car, an autobox really would kill them. Ive spent the last 5/6 years driving an auto 525i and they are IMO the best all rounder, I have a 520 manual touring festering away ready to be pillaged for parts then squashed, I only drove it about 100 miles but that was enough to make me not want to drive it ever again, so underpowered, I really did get fed up of changing gear. Shame as they are such a well built car :(
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Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:00 pm

A pretty reasonable looking L-reg E34 Touring 525TDS got scrapped near me recently; it just had some light accident damage to the front initially, until the scrapyard boys got their hands on it and completely trashed it within days of its arrival. :roll:
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:36 pm

DanThe wrote:so underpowered, I really did get fed up of changing gear. Shame as they are such a well built car :(
Interesting, The Fabia was a 6 speed diesel. I find I change gear less in the 520, lol! Especially on the motorway, Fabia was a constant game of 5th > 6th > 5th > 6th.. Can just leave the 520 in 5th, only dropping down when you need to slot in to a passing gap..

The idea of an auto 525 keeps growing on me, especially as they're 5 speed, but I'm still in that "must be manual" mind set at the minute..
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:27 pm

Nice looking 57k E34 520i for sale here. They're getting thin on the ground in that condition..
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Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:01 pm

As has been said before, a 525 is a much better all rounder BUT as the newest of these turds are knocking on twenty years old (Foook , where did that go ? :o ) beggars can not be choosers and condition and maintenance history should be the main prerequisites when hunting for the ideal turd :)
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