Opinions Please.... Does this look like the same set of BBS?

[318isPMK]

These came from a zoner today, have a read of the advert and see if I am just being pernickety I do not think I am... I will refrain from naming him in the hope I can work it out with him.

Im almost sure I bought 5 wheels according to the advert below. I am also sure the advert said they were in good condition with pictures that made them seem good.... So imagine my surprise when 4 arrived in the post. In a state that I would describe as badly kerb rashed.

Note the 4 close ups in his advert using 4 pictures of the best wheels the rubbish one is not there. This is clearly disingenuous??

Wheel 1

Same Wheel

Same Wheel again


Wheel 2


Wheel 3 and 4 arent bad but not as good as they seem below.

[quote=]Hi everyone i have a set of original 15 inch BBS alloy's even a spare all with center caps was wondering if anyone would be interested in a swap for a set of alpina reps
wheels come with tires tires are mint to

if was to sell looking around the 200 mark

location Birmingham.









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[Rav335uk]

How did you pay?

[Topblag]

I'd be expecting 5 wheels. Cheeky beggar.

[magpie]

they don't look like the same wheels at all.

[pukar]

that's the wheel in the 4th pic, but looks a lot cleaner in that one and with a good badge.

if you look at the valve, it has kerbing to the right...a small bit, about 1cm, then a gap, then about 3cm, then a gap, then lots....there isn't much kerbing to the left......this matches your picture. so it is the same wheel as in the pic, with a good clean, it should look the same. i dont know what you are going to do about the badge though. that looked almost new in the pics

....oh, and the 5th wheel

[pukar]

your wheel 2 is the same as pic 2....there is a big scab about 15mins anticlockwise if you know what i mean.

i still think you have been stiffed though! i reckon £200 should buy you a really nice set of BBS

[318isPMK]

I think these are the pics when he bought them..... The alloys looks like they were used and abused and then sold. I havent got them fully out the black bags they were delivered in - to check the condition of the budget tyres that are fitted. On closer inspection they look good I would however place little value on them as I wouldnt go shopping for:

1xGood 15" BBS
1x Okay 15" BBS WITH 3 SECTIONS OF KERB RASH
AND
2xBADLY RASHED 15" BBS
WITH 3 GOOD CENTRE CAPS FOR £200.
All wheels fitted with budget tyres with good life left.

Paypal as a purchase £215

[318isPMK]

From seller when I questioned the missing wheel.

[quote=]hi i sent 4 as the ad was for 4 wheels if i was to give 5 i would have asked for more then 220 and i only took pictures of 4 and only 4 had centre caps ?[/quote]

Is that advertisment for 4 wheels?

[harry_p]

Well, it says a set of bbs alloys, even a spare.

So unless e30s are three wheelers then I would expect a set plus a spare to be five wheels.

Sadly that's the sort of idiot bmw parts seem to attract. I've had more trouble both buying and selling a handfull of bmw parts on eBay than hundreds of other items and parts from my old lancia.

[pukar]

the ad definitely implies 5 even though it does not state it categorically. take up a dispute with paypal. i think they usually are on the side of the buyer....especially as the wheel badge is much worse than in the advertised pic and that he gave the impression there were 5 wheels for sale...esp if the tyres are not "mint" (i'm guessing not). paypal are usually pretty good when it comes to this sort of thing.

[318isPMK]

Well, it says a set of bbs alloys, even a spare.

So unless e30s are three wheel would expect a set plus a spare to be five wheels.

Sadly that's the sort of idiot bmw parts seem to attract. I've had more trouble both buying and selling a handfull of bmw parts on eBay than hundreds of other items and parts from my old lancia.

Got them here, but sentiment probably still applies...I normally stick to the positive feedback sellersI will be sticking to that from now on.

[polsta]

How did you pay ? Not gift I hope ? If not file a claim for a refund not as described, save all the pics incase they want to see them, that truly takes the mickey, has he not replied to messages etc ?

[CUTZ]

why dont u show all four wheels ?
if your saying there not as described show condition of all 4 and tyres..all 4 tyres are completely brand new and what one centre cap needs and new bmw sticker your trying to say theyve been abused show the condition of the tyres when the car has been brought and not even driven yet u paid 220 which i had to pay for deliver which left me with 185 and then u expect a 5th wheel now your saying send u a 5th wheel and 80 refund

[harry_p]

Although the ad is misleading, and you've not got what you were expecting, on the other hand, £215 for 4 genuine 15in bbs, with proper caps isn't too far from the mark.

You regularly see scruffy sets with no caps and scrap tyres go for £150, and caps are usually about £20 a pop for locking but well used ones.

That's not trying to excuse the sellers actions in any way btw.

[318isPMK]

I understand that but I paid on the proviso I was getting what was described not for him to choose what to send

[318isPMK]

From seller:
u paid 215 for four wheels and centre caps which i had to pay for delivery 30 quid so im basically getting 185 for the wheels and your saying the wheels aint in good condtion which they clearly are with complete brand new tyres which would alone be worth 100 and now your saying to me send the fith wheel and 80 quid back ? are u feeling okay 

My reply:
You don't seem to understand how selling something works. You don't get to choose that what ive paid for only covers part of what was for sale at least not without telling me. You posted 4 pictures and stated they were as pictured however you have posted the same picture twice. I can also evidence the condition being significantly worse than pictured. 

I am feeling fine if not a little frustrated.

 It was you that valued 5 wheels with 5 tyres 4 of them good and 4 centre caps around £200 I stated my offer was for the set (as described) centre caps... I expected 4 good ones as pictured in the close ups. Plus delivery. You accepted this without notifying me you ammended the package by a wheel! You were disingenuous with your pictures and descriptions don't make it worse by being cheeky.

[CUTZ]

show condition of all 4 rims and tyres ?

[318isPMK]

No problem. Please show me the part where your ad stated 2 half decent 15" BBS for £200.

P.S You are outing yourself commenting here Ive not said who I have the issue with.

[318isPMK]

As requested CUTZ:

[CUTZ]

show condtion of tyres to..you said tyres have been worn and abused

[kangman]

i feel like i got a bargain, mine set me back £160 with centre caps & pretty new badges wrapped in part worn dunlop tyres.


'Hi everyone i have a set of original 15 inch BBS alloy's 'EVEN A SPARE' all with center caps'

if i had bought them i'd expect 5 alloys

[318isPMK]

Apparently I am at it!!!! what a cheek.

the centre are completely fine and lock and just needs a sticker i dont like repeating myself either

This is Good... As I said 3 are.


This is a dog paint is knackered. will take more than a sticker!


P.S I'm not interested in the budget tyres condition I never slated the tyres Its the Alloys I have consistently referred to. I will help by clarifying the above comment.

[318isPMK]

How did you pay ? Not gift I hope ? If not file a claim for a refund not as described, save all the pics incase they want to see them, that truly takes the mickey, has he not replied to messages etc ?

No I insisted on a purchase... Thankfully!

[318isPMK]

why dont u show all four wheels ?
if your saying there not as described show condition of all 4 and tyres..all 4 tyres are completely brand new and what one centre cap needs and new bmw sticker your trying to say theyve been abused show the condition of the tyres when the car has been brought and not even driven yet u paid 220 which i had to pay for deliver which left me with 185 and then u expect a 5th wheel now your saying send u a 5th wheel and 80 refund

You accepted my offer!!!! what are you talking about!!! I expected 5 because you offered 5! Look at the pictures of the difference in the centre caps as you are clearly not aware of the condition of the Tat you passed off as good condition!

I detailed what I was paying you for before I paid you and on the payment sheet. I also gave you the opportunity to refund as I paid from the wrong card if you were unhppy with any aspect you could have refunded it. You are a chancer! I have acted in good faith throughout this!

The £80 was supposed to be me being decent by you because fixing 2 will lead to needing to fix all 4 (5 if you stick to whats right) as 2 cannot be ignored in my eyes. that will cost around £250 for 5 wheels refurbed and £30 for a centre cap. I think getting the wheel you should have sent me in the first place and £80 against all that work is a stupidly good offer.

FULLY REFUND ME AND I'll SEND THIS TAT - THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY VALUE MUCH MORE THAN THE £180 THAT I DO!! (£220 - £30 DELIVERY) I also think my offer was in writing at £215 at the point you told me delivery was less than £30.

[CUTZ]

mate your just going on over one centre cap and cause u never got one wheel first u claimed the tyres have been "party worn" then u ask for the firth wheel then ask for the firth wheel and 80quid then ask for 250 then say ohh nah 130 your just going on and expect me to roll over and play your lil game if the tyres are "partly worn" show the pictures of the tyres you claim that ive used and abused them they are completely brand new but u aint showing for some odd reason

[DasChin]

i am sure those wheels in the original ad were in that condition once but what you have been are wildly different.

all four are kerbed for starters.

could get messy but go through PayPal rather than on here. Its their judgement that counts.

your seller appears to be 'up for it' so good luck with that.

[Osamam3]

wow

[stew72]

Given the evidence my guess is that paypal will side with the buyer although it may take a little time to resolve.

[magpie]

why dont u show all four wheels ?
if your saying there not as described show condition of all 4 and tyres..all 4 tyres are completely brand new and what one centre cap needs and new bmw sticker your trying to say theyve been abused show the condition of the tyres when the car has been brought and not even driven yet u paid 220 which i had to pay for deliver which left me with 185 and then u expect a 5th wheel now your saying send u a 5th wheel and 80 refund

you should send him the 5th wheel for a start.

the pics in the advert show the condition to be much better than what they turned up in so it's obviously old photo's of them.

i know i'd buy f00k all from you after seeing this and i hope others on here see this thread and adopt the same attitude .

bad feedback in the feedback section should be next if you don't sort it out .

i hope the money wasn't sent as a gift .

[seriousrikk]

why dont u show all four wheels ?
if your saying there not as described show condition of all 4 and tyres..all 4 tyres are completely brand new and what one centre cap needs and new bmw sticker your trying to say theyve been abused show the condition of the tyres when the car has been brought and not even driven yet u paid 220 which i had to pay for deliver which left me with 185 and then u expect a 5th wheel now your saying send u a 5th wheel and 80 refund

Why did you use old photos?

The photo of the car, and one photo of the wheels were taken in may this year. The other three photos were taken on the 25th September 2012.

That looks like deliberate misrepresentation to me, using old photos rather than current ones.

[pacerpete]

Birmingham seller who wants BKs, the warning signs were there Paul !

[maf260]

Cutz - is the letter 'n' missing from your name?

[snakebrain]

mate your just going on over one centre cap and cause u never got one wheel first u claimed the tyres have been "party worn" then u ask for the firth wheel then ask for the firth wheel and 80quid then ask for 250 then say ohh nah 130 your just going on and expect me to roll over and play your lil game if the tyres are "partly worn" show the pictures of the tyres you claim that ive used and abused them they are completely brand new but u aint showing for some odd reason

The wheels aren't as described - there aren't 5 of them and the condition isn't as you stated in the ad. Of course he's not happy..

[318isPMK]

What dont you get???? im not interested in the tyres they are cheap budget rubbish. And again you must be slow I have explained the figures I gave 130 the cost of 2 wheel refurb plus a replacement centre cap. 250 for a 5 wheel refurb (thats not even including the centre cap).

I will happily post a picture of the tyre.

What do you think it shows that is important?

The alloys are far from good condition and there are 4 not 5. You are becoming irritating

[318isPMK]

Birmingham seller who wants BKs, the warning signs were there Paul !

I know! He seemed reasonable when communicating - if not a little dyslexic. Now it just seems he's slow. I have repeated myself over and over but either he's at the wind up or ignorant.