Drifting without LSD

[Chaos]

was it really necesary to change the ratio that much?

why blunt the performance?

m20s dont tickle my fancy u no !

ive been told they lowered the comp ratio so they cud fit a catalyst in countries where it was required, that way all the engines made cud be the same, and only the exhausts wud then need a change on certain models.

how comes ur not keen on m20 then m8.
ive had 6 x e30 all of which have been m20 2.5, so u cud call me a bit of a fan

edit: forgot one - its actually 6 x 325i

[stevetigger]

how comes ur not keen on m20 then m8.
ive had 5 x e30 all of which have been m20 2.5, so u cud call me a bit of a fan

And me 6 E30's with the M20 2.5, my cab is the first without and its killing me!

[Chaos]

how comes ur not keen on m20 then m8.
ive had 6 x e30 all of which have been m20 2.5, so u cud call me a bit of a fan

And me 6 E30's with the M20 2.5, my cab is the first without and its killing me!

both of my current 325i's are up for sale, but i wudnt put money on me not having another one within a few months.

i just dont think that Ԛ£Ã”šÃ‚£Ãƒ”šÃ‚£ for performance and fun that u can beat them

[stevetigger]

True, My first sport at 20 years old, Cost me Ԛ£1650 with P/P and it was so much fun. I went from an Orion 1.6i Ghia that I had bought 2 years before For the same price as the bm. So thats why I love them. I got into bm's because my mate had an M3 at the time, but I couldn't afford one of those at the time!

[Chaos]

ive had all sorts from v6 capris, pulsar gtir's, mk2 escort, vr6 corrados and yet still keep coming back to the 325i

[Dan318-is]

im not sure why im not a fan

dont get me wrong; superb engine, ultra ultra reliable it does what it was deisgned for and makes a lvoely noise, but for all that weight i just think the power output is pretty shocking. Even with mods you still only getting 200 brake from a 2.5?

i cant really complain to much as iv only driven one onec and the feel of the hting was fantastic

im sure that once the insurance allows il fall in love with one

you never driven an m30 mate?

[Chaos]

you never driven an m30 mate?

ive driven plenty of m30's.
just not in an e30

[Karan]

im not sure why im not a fan

dont get me wrong; superb engine, ultra ultra reliable it does what it was deisgned for and makes a lvoely noise, but for all that weight i just think the power output is pretty shocking. Even with mods you still only getting 200 brake from a 2.5?

i cant really complain to much as iv only driven one onec and the feel of the hting was fantastic

im sure that once the insurance allows il fall in love with one

you never driven an m30 mate?

I also love te iS and have had 2.... and driven a few others!

m20 is an awesome thing too!!! if a tad thirsty!

im suire i can convert u to m20s Dan! take a spin nxt time a ace with me

[NIX]

I've got an F reg lowly 318i but am thinkin about doing an engine conversion sometime in the future (maybe 2.7 or even 3.5 ). Could I get the 3.91 LSD fitted to my car as it is now and will it then still be compatible for the engine conversion? Or would it be better to wait until I've got the transplant done till I get an LSD?

Cheers!

[Karan]

I've got an F reg lowly 318i but am thinkin about doing an engine conversion sometime in the future (maybe 2.7 or even 3.5 ). Could I get the 3.91 LSD fitted to my car as it is now and will it then still be compatible for the engine conversion? Or would it be better to wait until I've got the transplant done till I get an LSD?

Cheers!

you can fit it now!

[Karan]

can i just also add that to truly learn to drift properly and have the balls to hold the arse out u should really get an lsd!

[hoshy]

can i just also add that to truly learn to drift properly and have the balls to hold the arse out u should really get an lsd!

no disagreement there.

[Dan318-is]

you never driven an m30 mate?

ive driven plenty of m30's.
just not in an e30

m535 rite?

im not sure why im not a fan

dont get me wrong; superb engine, ultra ultra reliable it does what it was deisgned for and makes a lvoely noise, but for all that weight i just think the power output is pretty shocking. Even with mods you still only getting 200 brake from a 2.5?

i cant really complain to much as iv only driven one onec and the feel of the hting was fantastic

im sure that once the insurance allows il fall in love with one

you never driven an m30 mate?

I also love te iS and have had 2.... and driven a few others!

m20 is an awesome thing too!!! if a tad thirsty!

im suire i can convert u to m20s Dan! take a spin nxt time a ace with me

il hold you to that karan!!

[hoshy]

Hey Karan, I wouldn't mind another spin. I've heard that 2.7s are quite crap but I'm not sure I beleive it

[Andy335Touring]

I've got an F reg lowly 318i but am thinkin about doing an engine conversion sometime in the future (maybe 2.7 or even 3.5 ). Could I get the 3.91 LSD fitted to my car as it is now and will it then still be compatible for the engine conversion? Or would it be better to wait until I've got the transplant done till I get an LSD?

Cheers!

A 3.91 isn't a good ratio for the 3.5, you'd want a 3.64 or 3.46

[Stifla]

Glad i read this lot as its cleared a few questions i had.

One question tho, does anyone know if the lsd from an '85 E28 M535i will fit an E30?

Ive got an is and ive been offered a low mileage one at a very good price!
Ive heard rumours that if you change the backplate it should bolt straight in?

[Andy335Touring]

I think the M30 powered E28 difs are to big to use, it's the smaller case difs from the E28 you can use on the E30 if you change the rear cover and the two out put flanges for E30 ones ?

[steerfromtherear]

can i just also add that to truly learn to drift properly and have the balls to hold the arse out u should really get an lsd!

Imo to truly show skill a demonstration of drifting with an open diff is more impressive. Surely?

[low325icab]

drifting with an open diff is easy, only in the wet though as thats the only time ill do it as in ruins your tyres in the dry. i can easily drift round a medium size roundabout a good 3 times no probs.

[oguz327]

u nutter

[stevetigger]

Having owned E30's now for coming up 7 years, I can drift easy but It still puts a smile on my face..... when you look in the mirror and see the person behind's face of shock horror, they back off too!

[dark_sounds]

lol im liking the topic thing... interested.... what ratio would i be looking for on a 318is? would there be a compatable one? is it not worth doing?

ive seen a 2.7 in action, my cousin has a 325 with the 2.7 lump in and ive never been so tense in a car! truly immense drive. he wont let me touch it though i know as soon as im 21, ill be in the market for a minter of a 325.

as for 200bhp from a 2.5 engine, i do kinda agree there... eg... Fiat Coupe Turbo,,, 220 bhp from 2.0 20v turbo.... and still gets about 23 mpg or the lesser 16v turbo 190 bhp standard figures btw. and that gets 28 mpg.

both between 6-7second cars. but why still a 325??? look at the badge ;)

reliability, quality,,, bmw.... says it all really

[stevetigger]

Why wait till your 21, I had a 325i sport at 19 years old

[weegaz22]

im not sure why im not a fan

dont get me wrong; superb engine, ultra ultra reliable it does what it was deisgned for and makes a lvoely noise, but for all that weight i just think the power output is pretty shocking. Even with mods you still only getting 200 brake from a 2.5?

what has weight got to do with power output?!?

sure, bmw could have built the 325i with more power, but that would have messed with the sales figures of the M3 as they would have been very closly matched...infact id go so far as to say the 325i would have out dragged the M3 in a straight line as its not got a peaky 4cyl engine, sure the M3 would kick the 325i's arse round the track, but these are road built cars

[weegaz22]

as for 200bhp from a 2.5 engine, i do kinda agree there... eg... Fiat Coupe Turbo,,, 220 bhp from 2.0 20v turbo.... and still gets about 23 mpg or the lesser 16v turbo 190 bhp standard figures btw. and that gets 28 mpg.

you cant honestly be comparing an old 12v 6cyl to a newish 4cyl 20v turbo for power output? thats like me comparing a 130bhp 2.0 8v engine to a 160bhp 1000cc 16v GSX-R1000 engine

different configurations, power delivery etc

[dark_sounds]

Why wait till your 21, I had a 325i sport at 19 years old

did you have 1 years no claims by any chance? and live in a group A/B insurance area? lol mate if i could i would... i would have snapped up my cousins with the 2.7 lump sweeetest thing ever.

i have no no claims, (crash due to Brake Failure on a mk2 polo ) live in group F... i envy you

as for the comparisons, my point exactly, to compare the fact that power output is "not all that great" then if you want a power output car you can get a fiat coupe for as little as sub 2k

[darren_rice]

but its a FIAT!!!!!
worst build quality in the world! lol

[dark_sounds]

lol exactly my point,,, read my previous post ;)

[Karan]

can i just also add that to truly learn to drift properly and have the balls to hold the arse out u should really get an lsd!

Imo to truly show skill a demonstration of drifting with an open diff is more impressive. Surely?

no.... cos an open diff car swings much slower outwards compared to lsd

[hoshy]

no.... cos an open diff car swings much slower outwards compared to lsd

So when I'm slip diff'd up I'm gonna have to catch the backend *even faster* ?

[steerfromtherear]

I agree (after owning e30's and e36's with and without lsd) that an Lsd eqipped car will pop the back out in a more aggressive way (especially the e30 325i sport, R.I.P. ) but you must admit that once you have a little bit of drift control that this is a good thing?

The Lsd equipped car will always be a lot easier to hold and control when sideways and a lot easier to get sideways so surely someone exhibiting similar skills in a open diff motor is showing more skill?

Purley imo of course

[Karan]

no.... cos an open diff car swings much slower outwards compared to lsd

So when I'm slip diff'd up I'm gonna have to catch the backend *even faster* ?

the initial slip is quicker on an lsd but once going then its easy to hold on the throttle......

open diff gives more notice its gonna go, and the slide that occurs is more due to the weight transfer and sharp turning in.... this is harder to do on entry with an lsd thereby u have to be more aggressive OR adopt other techniques such as shown in the drift bible.

an lsd will also snap back less violently...however with many bmw lsds cos of the little lock up and little power compared to jap crap, one does have to mess around with things like clutch kicking a lot!

[steerfromtherear]

drift bible.

Karan can you point me in the direction of this please?
Do you drift competitively? The comment re the differences between BM's small amount of locking compared to the Jap rubbish makes it sound like you do.

I would love to get into it sometime

[Karan]

i dont drift competetively but i wold love to

i have been to practise days a silverstone and basically messing round on the road at every oppurtunity

plan was to enter D1GB clubman this year in my e30 touring 325i which i had done quite a bit of work on but my mate wrote it off a few weeks ago

otherwise ive basically built my 327 as a daily driveable drift toy, but i havent had the balls to actually use it on track..however now with the death of my touring i may use it for some practise events for a laugh.

plan is to eventually sel sport and buy a pre-prepped jap car import or build another touring wit e36 m3

there is another idea..... i am currently making a e35 m5 engined e30 318is which i could potentially use to drit but the shell is too nice to risk it....

[steerfromtherear]

Shame about the Tourer mate They are a bit better again for drifting aren't they?
All options sound good but the e39 m5 engined e30 sounds to good to park into tyres
I like the pre-prepped jap car import idea myself

Got to admit I have seen a couple of these in the country at attractive prices. Tempting but I would need to be able to afford 2 cars.

Near me there are a few good places were drift practice could be possible off of the road (aerodrome ) but no-one has cottoned on and permission is not forthcoming
I think the opportunity to practice somewhere safe out of other road users would be excellent.