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Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:10 pm

lovely lovely car....but 70k though!!

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... on/1186341

hoping this will push up value of 'normal ones' like mine ;-)
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:26 pm

I honestly don't think it will make much difference. Sport Evos attract top dollar precisely because they are The Ultimate. It's the (current) way to show that you have lots of understated cash available to indulge your superb taste in motoring excellence. The fact that it looks like a £15k M3 but is infact a £70k M3 to those in the know is EXACTLY why it is worth £70k. At that end of the market, to buy a "normal" M3 is to admit you don't know the difference, are too ridiculously poor to be in the same circles as a SE owner - or both.

To wander up the owner of a Sport Evo and say "Yeah, I had one of those - great motor for £10k when I had it" will give the SE owner as much of a smug feeling as when he notices that the welts on your shoes are machine stitched.

Bullshit, but that's how it works.
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:31 pm

said like a true Yorkshire man eh.

there are better ways to invest 70k but still not a bad return for a car.
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:35 pm

I'm not sure how many Sport Evos there are in Yorkshire, probably not that many :(

If I had a standard M3, I'd be chuffed to bits with the way they've held/made value recently - just not expecting to pay off a mortgage with one.
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:39 pm

I'd want a set of mats for that price :D

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Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:10 pm

Overpriced for that mileage.

I think the M3 price madness has flatlined recently.

Traders were taking the piss. I know of a SportEvo that had slightly lower miles than this and they wanted nearer six figures.
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:31 pm

jesus that is mental at 6 figures.

its like the 964 RS. they fetch big doh. would prefer a 996 GT3 RS for less money tbh.

I got into my e30 m3 fairly cheap so will enjoy it while I can. if it makes some doh on top then great.
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:48 pm

Its from a member here, I think...
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:44 pm

Morat wrote:I honestly don't think it will make much difference. Sport Evos attract top dollar precisely because they are The Ultimate. It's the (current) way to show that you have lots of understated cash available to indulge your superb taste in motoring excellence. The fact that it looks like a £15k M3 but is infact a £70k M3 to those in the know is EXACTLY why it is worth £70k. At that end of the market, to buy a "normal" M3 is to admit you don't know the difference, are too ridiculously poor to be in the same circles as a SE owner - or both.

To wander up the owner of a Sport Evo and say "Yeah, I had one of those - great motor for £10k when I had it" will give the SE owner as much of a smug feeling as when he notices that the welts on your shoes are machine stitched.

Bullshit, but that's how it works.
But too most people apart from the hardened BMW enthusiast they won't know what a M3 Sport Evolution is. So u won't get much attention unless u are amongst people who know their BMWs

But should u drive it down the street it will get recognised as an M3

I always wondered though how good these are too drive for £80k or whatever
Also no doubting the pedigree and heritage but hey
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:46 pm

Was going to say out of everyone here that has owned one what are they like to drive ????
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:54 pm

Most people don't really know what a M3 is anyway. Morat's explanation sums it up..

Interesting article from Octane mag: (warning large pdf) Gives a good summary of the differences from a standard e30. Warning - Munich Legends content.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B34A...dZeGJoS1k/edit
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:28 pm

Morat wrote:I'm not sure how many Sport Evos there are in Yorkshire, probably not that many :(
I know of 3, one is in boxes/bags after lots of Dramas in Hull involving a few thieving eastern Europeans :eek:

there's plenty of 195/215 turds about :D
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:57 pm

With any E30 M3 especially Sport Evolutions I would be wanting a bloody good alarm and steering locks and a Tracker especially should u leave it parked on the street!!!!
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:35 pm

Royalratch wrote:Overpriced for that mileage.

I think the M3 price madness has flatlined recently.

Traders were taking the pee pee. I know of a SportEvo that had slightly lower miles than this and they wanted nearer six figures.
Yep plus the fact it's been painted and isn't a UK supplied car.

Nothing taken away from the car as it's lovely,

Given the production run of 600 there are probably sub 400 left now

This is one of those cars that will either sit for months or a collector will swoop in...
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:14 pm

600 of them, 400 left. Not exactly what I'd call rare. Wonder how many are left on the shores from the uk run of them ? I think there were 50 uk ones.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:06 pm

I know the owner and have seen the car, it is a minter.

Check this one out http://www.thehairpincompany.co.uk/car- ... -1990.html, current up for mid 40s
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evosport1990 wrote:I know the owner and have seen the car, it is a minter.

Check this one out http://www.thehairpincompany.co.uk/car- ... -1990.html, current up for mid 40s
The Hairpin Company SE is apparently sold

The car at hairpin

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Also this was the same car that 4star classic claimed they sold for £51k and then Hairpin was selling it for £45k a week later.

The car leaving 4star classic

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Must have a lot of owners
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evosport1990 wrote:I know the owner and have seen the car, it is a minter.

Check this one out http://www.thehairpincompany.co.uk/car- ... -1990.html, current up for mid 40s
If everything has been replaced and rebuilt where required then that's not too bad in terms of value for money, i wouldn't fancy putting EDC right if it gave up...
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:02 pm

pony wrote:With any E30 M3 especially Sport Evolutions I would be wanting a bloody good alarm and steering locks and a Tracker especially should u leave it parked on the street!!!!
A £70k sport evo is unlikely to be left on the street :wink:

And not everyone lives in a crime hotspot. I've never been worried about leaving mine parked up anywhere. There are a lot more cars parked on most roads that are worth more than a half decent e30 m3 which are a lot less likely to attract attention and a lot easier to dispose of.

As for 60-70 plus m3s, it's just absurd. Theyre not 'worth' anywhere near that much for how they drive, theyre that much because that's what people are asking and people want them for their collection or to take a punt on hoping values continue to climb.

Don't get me wrong, e30 m3s all drive really nicely and have that certain something about them that later versions don't, but a lot of the price is more to do with what they are, and what they look like than how they drive.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:04 pm

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pony wrote:With any E30 M3 especially Sport Evolutions I would be wanting a bloody good alarm and steering locks and a Tracker especially should u leave it parked on the street!!!!
A £70k sport evo is unlikely to be left on the street :wink:

And not everyone lives in a crime hotspot. I've never been worried about leaving mine parked up anywhere. There are a lot more cars parked on most roads that are worth more than a half decent e30 m3 which are a lot less likely to attract attention and a lot easier to dispose of.

As for 60-70 plus m3s, it's just absurd. Theyre not 'worth' anywhere near that much for how they drive, theyre that much because that's what people are asking and people want them for their collection or to take a punt on hoping values continue to climb.
I agree a sport Evo is unlikely to be left on the street regardless of the area you live in.
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:22 pm

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pony wrote:With any E30 M3 especially Sport Evolutions I would be wanting a bloody good alarm and steering locks and a Tracker especially should u leave it parked on the street!!!!
A £70k sport evo is unlikely to be left on the street :wink:

And not everyone lives in a crime hotspot. I've never been worried about leaving mine parked up anywhere. There are a lot more cars parked on most roads that are worth more than a half decent e30 m3 which are a lot less likely to attract attention and a lot easier to dispose of.

As for 60-70 plus m3s, it's just absurd. Theyre not 'worth' anywhere near that much for how they drive, theyre that much because that's what people are asking and people want them for their collection or to take a punt on hoping values continue to climb.
I agree a sport Evo is unlikely to be left on the street regardless of the area you live in.
Is funny though in certain areas of London u will see £100k Maseratis, F10 M5s, 991s, 997s, Merc CL63 AMG left on the street. Why this left on a street and Sport Evolution is very unlikely ?

I imagine E30s are alot easier to nick and clock than newer cars
So mileage on these Sport Evos may not be genuine even if all the MOTs stack up
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Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:36 pm

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The car leaving 4star classic

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Must have a lot of owners
check out the well overloaded 1k transit tugging 70 grands worth of motors :eek:
that says a lot about the seller !!! :P
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The BMW M3 Sport Evolution looks stunning!!!!
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The car leaving 4star classic

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Must have a lot of owners
check out the well overloaded 1k transit tugging 70 grands worth of motors :eek:
that says a lot about the seller !!! :P
Lol... the trailors clean, bet its borrowed
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Topblag wrote:600 of them, 400 left. Not exactly what I'd call rare. Wonder how many are left on the shores from the uk run of them ? I think there were 50 uk ones.
That's 600 in the world. I would say that was quite rare
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Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:33 pm

pony wrote:Was going to say out of everyone here that has owned one what are they like to drive ????
I have owned both a 2.3ltr M3 and currently own a Sport Evo.

When I bought the SE in 2001 I had just come from the 2.3ltr 200bhp M3.

Now I don't know if it was the fact that I had just shelled out over £12k for the SE (remember this was 2001)and I wanted it to feel better, but it did feel a bit more responsive and slightly more torquey.

Back then, you would have said yes it was worth the extra cash to own one.

As for now, I certainly wouldn't shell out £40k or even more for a Sport Evo over a standard 2.3ltr.

The driving experience is not £20k+ that of the normal M3.

I still use mine in the summer months and it has turned 216,000kms, which is about 130,000 miles. I don't know who much it is worth now, nor do I care really as i bought it because I wanted one and to use it, not as an investment.

Is the Sierra RS500 Cosworth worth £20k more than the standard one. Probably not but its what people want. The kudos of owning the last evolution of a great car.

Which in some ways is a backhanded complment to BMW and the E30 M3

I hope the seller gets what he wants for it.
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Topblag wrote:600 of them, 400 left. Not exactly what I'd call rare. Wonder how many are left on the shores from the uk run of them ? I think there were 50 uk ones.
That's 600 in the world. I would say that was quite rare
More than twice as rare as your beloved e46 csl ;) (1400 made )
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Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:16 pm

I do think the E30 M3 Sport Evolution is a stunning looking car.

Seems like the bulk of the prices of these cars is in the kudos. Didn't people track these cars alot back in the 90s and only recently they are bring restored and all these "low mileage" examples are coming out ????
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Topblag wrote:600 of them, 400 left. Not exactly what I'd call rare. Wonder how many are left on the shores from the uk run of them ? I think there were 50 uk ones.
That's 600 in the world. I would say that was quite rare
indeed it is

especially one with a kinky black & red leather trim :wink:
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A wonky number plate is very council!

Looks like a stunning car, my favourite interior of any E30! 8)
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I got one of these steering wheels brand new at home
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gary wrote:
Topblag wrote:600 of them, 400 left. Not exactly what I'd call rare. Wonder how many are left on the shores from the uk run of them ? I think there were 50 uk ones.
That's 600 in the world. I would say that was quite rare
indeed it is

especially one with a kinky black & red leather trim :wink:
Is that the same black & red interior with fishnet head rest?
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