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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:44 am

Quick question fellas;

I'm heading down from North Wales to Leicester this morning to pick up a set of 16" alloys and I need space in the convertible to fit all 4 wheels in....

I was thinking of removing my spare wheel (currently a 15" BBS) to make room......what impact will this have on handling for my motorway trip?

Safe to drive?
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:47 am

???????????? Spare wheel can only affect the handling when you bolt it to one of the hubs.
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:53 am

I doubt removing 15kg from the back of a 1200kg car will make a huge difference to the handling :D
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:59 am

harry_p wrote:I doubt removing 15kg from the back of a 1200kg car will make a huge difference to the handling :D
Yeah that's what I'm getting at bud,

For instance, I read that some people have removed the lead weight in the base of the boot footwell and its made the car handling dreadfull......
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:05 am

alexdejonghe wrote:
harry_p wrote:I doubt removing 15kg from the back of a 1200kg car will make a huge difference to the handling :D
Yeah that's what I'm getting at bud,

For instance, I read that some people have removed the lead weight in the base of the boot footwell and its made the car handling dreadfull......
The lead (iron) weight is tuned to deal with harmonic vibrations, not ballast. Adding 45kg of fuel is likely to make considerably more difference than adding or removing a wheel.
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:07 am

Brianmoooore wrote:
alexdejonghe wrote:
harry_p wrote:I doubt removing 15kg from the back of a 1200kg car will make a huge difference to the handling :D
Yeah that's what I'm getting at bud,

For instance, I read that some people have removed the lead weight in the base of the boot footwell and its made the car handling dreadfull......
The lead (iron) weight is tuned to deal with harmonic vibrations, not ballast. Adding 45kg of fuel is likely to make considerably more difference than adding or removing a wheel.
Ah, I see.

Thanks for the advice Brian & Harry. :thumb:
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:33 am

it won't make any difference on a motorway journey but it is a noticeable and imo a negative for twisty road handling.
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:01 am

The difference in handling with 15kg less in the car will be far less than the return journey with and extra 45kg on board, but, like Brian says the difference will be no worse than comparing a car on fumes to one with a brimmed tank.

Yes, you can probably feel the difference, but its not going to suddenly turn the car into a death trap!
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:20 pm

lol winkeye handling seems better, but not fun stuck on the m5 when its 1 degree. You will get 3 wheels in the boot if you remove the spare and one on the back seat, put something down to avoid your rear bench getting grubby though.
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:08 pm

matt86 wrote:
lol winkeye handling seems better, but not fun stuck on the m5 when its 1 degree. You will get 3 wheels in the boot if you remove the spare and one on the back seat, put something down to avoid your rear bench getting grubby though.
Survived the trip!

Did exactly this and now have 4 perfect refurbished 16" alpinas to fit to my granite silver convertible on Tuesday....happy days!

Plus, I got to see Leicester for the first time! 8O
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:42 pm

alexdejonghe wrote:
matt86 wrote:
lol winkeye handling seems better, but not fun stuck on the m5 when its 1 degree. You will get 3 wheels in the boot if you remove the spare and one on the back seat, put something down to avoid your rear bench getting grubby though.
Survived the trip!

Did exactly this and now have 4 perfect refurbished 16" alpinas to fit to my granite silver convertible on Tuesday....happy days!

Plus, I got to see Leicester for the first time! 8O
i knew it was going to happen sooner or later, but it had to be on a Sunday when all the tyre garages are closed. Need a nice steel wheel for the boot now.
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:56 pm

matt86 wrote:
alexdejonghe wrote:
matt86 wrote: lol winkeye handling seems better, but not fun stuck on the m5 when its 1 degree. You will get 3 wheels in the boot if you remove the spare and one on the back seat, put something down to avoid your rear bench getting grubby though.
Survived the trip!

Did exactly this and now have 4 perfect refurbished 16" alpinas to fit to my granite silver convertible on Tuesday....happy days!

Plus, I got to see Leicester for the first time! 8O
i knew it was going to happen sooner or later, but it had to be on a Sunday when all the tyre garages are closed. Need a nice steel wheel for the boot now.
Wouldn't you need an alloy of the same diameter as the set you're running?
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:00 pm

alexdejonghe wrote:
matt86 wrote:
alexdejonghe wrote: Survived the trip!

Did exactly this and now have 4 perfect refurbished 16" alpinas to fit to my granite silver convertible on Tuesday....happy days!

Plus, I got to see Leicester for the first time! 8O
i knew it was going to happen sooner or later, but it had to be on a Sunday when all the tyre garages are closed. Need a nice steel wheel for the boot now.
Wouldn't you need an alloy of the same diameter as the set you're running?
ideally yes but whenever is a spare the same size anyway. They are all spacesavers nowadays and its only to get you home anyway.
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:36 pm

matt86 wrote:
alexdejonghe wrote:
matt86 wrote: i knew it was going to happen sooner or later, but it had to be on a Sunday when all the tyre garages are closed. Need a nice steel wheel for the boot now.
Wouldn't you need an alloy of the same diameter as the set you're running?
ideally yes but whenever is a spare the same size anyway. They are all spacesavers nowadays and its only to get you home anyway.
Glad you got home Matt.
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:00 pm

Rav335uk wrote:
matt86 wrote:
alexdejonghe wrote: Wouldn't you need an alloy of the same diameter as the set you're running?
ideally yes but whenever is a spare the same size anyway. They are all spacesavers nowadays and its only to get you home anyway.
Glad you got home Matt.
thanks rav, see you tomorrow hopefully lets hope nothing else fails on the e30 next trip.
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:37 pm

alexdejonghe wrote:
Wouldn't you need an alloy of the same diameter as the set you're running?
No, the smaller diameter wheel should be fitted with a higher profile tyre, to keep the rolling radius the same.
195/65 x 14 is almost the same circumference as 205/55 x 15.