E30's on Fifth Gear..???

General E30 related discussions -
Please put technical questions in E30 Tech Help forum below

Moderator: martauto

S8KKB
E30 Zone Newbie
E30 Zone Newbie
Posts: 61
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:00 pm

Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:30 pm

Chaps,

someone at work mentioned that the latest series of fifth gear had an item regarding classics which mentioned the E30

Is this true?

did anyone watch it?

apparently they were saying about the E30 being tipped as a cult classic and predicting the values were likely to soar..?
User avatar
sunnysr
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 333
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Northeast

Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:45 pm

a lad i was talking to said the same they said a cab would be worth up to 15k,....maybe if people start taking some special drugs or something ,that quentin willson bloke was saying the old shark nose bms would be worth a fortune in the future about 12 years ago , i doubt it will happen they will go up in price but i wouldnt be investing in them
Morat
E30 Zone Team Member
E30 Zone Team Member
Posts: 8943
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: The Peoples Republic of Yorkshire

Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:53 pm

The rarer and more special the model, the better. It's hardly news that Sport Evos are now worth silly money, and it doesn't take a genius to spot that "normal" M3s have doubled in price over the last few years.
This doesn't mean that a leggy 318i auto moredoor will ever be worth cashing your pension for.
E30 Touring 0.35 cD - more slippery than prison soap :)

Image
Praise the Lard... and pass the dripping!
daimlerman
**BANNED**
Posts: 15968
Joined: Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Grumpy Old Man

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:02 pm

£15k for a cabbie?

Form an orderly queue here,please! :D
Youth is wasted on the young.
bmw9818
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 2561
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:00 pm
Location: Croydon

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:04 pm

the 3.0csl e9s, i remember i allways used to love sexy ass car! I actually remember them going for cheap when i was a kid, now there worth 40k..

if only i saved up my pennies and bought it!
User avatar
gooner1
Out humping Reindeer
Posts: 13280
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Northampton.For my sins.

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:05 pm

sunnysr wrote: quentin willson bloke was saying the old shark nose bms would be worth a fortune in the future about 12 years ago , i doubt it will happen they will go up in price but i wouldnt be investing in them
Think they are already on the rise, well, decent ones anyway.
Image
snakebrain
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 3685
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:00 pm

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:30 pm

Cars like the E28 M5 and E30 M3 are already seeing serious increases in value. The E12 and E28 M535i, E30 Sport and Convertibles, E24 Highline 635Csi and M635Csi are all likely to see increases, though not to the extent that the M 3 and 5 series will..

15 grand for an E30 convertible of any kind in ten years sounds about right.
bmw9818
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 2561
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:00 pm
Location: Croydon

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:33 pm

i had an m535i in alpine white pretty much immaculate, dogleg, moonroof bought for £600! :( really miss that car
User avatar
ajay
E30 Zone Camper
E30 Zone Camper
Posts: 1041
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:00 pm

Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:01 pm

15 grand for an E30 convertible of any kind in ten years sounds about right.[/quote]

Never in a million years! Yes Decent cars will rise in value but not that much mate "E30 convert of any kind" No chance.
polsta
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 10322
Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:00 pm
Location: portsmouth

Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:21 pm

ajay wrote:15 grand for an E30 convertible of any kind in ten years sounds about right.
Never in a million years! Yes Decent cars will rise in value but not that much mate "E30 convert of any kind" No chance.[/quote]

why would they not ? if you had a very nice standard low milage 325i they can fetch 6 or 7k now days for a very nice one, once all the turds are gone if you still had such one in 10 years with low milage it wouldnt be far off them sort of figures, the e30 cabby was the car of the 80s rich,iconic really
snakebrain
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 3685
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:00 pm

Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:28 am

ajay wrote:15 grand for an E30 convertible of any kind in ten years sounds about right.
Never in a million years! Yes Decent cars will rise in value but not that much mate "E30 convert of any kind" No chance.[/quote]

By 'any kind' I mean any engine/model. I'm presuming we're talking about decent, clean, low mileage cars here though. Something that's worth hanging onto when it's 35-40 years old..
ross_jsy
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 7307
Joined: Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:00 pm
Location: Jersey, C.I.

Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:40 am

At this rate I'll be cutting out the roll cage and returning my sport to standard and retiring on it :D
snakebrain
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 3685
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:00 pm

Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:02 am

ross_jsy wrote:At this rate I'll be cutting out the roll cage and returning my sport to standard and retiring on it :D
I'm confident you'll be doing a 25 stretch for something sick and wrong by the time retirement age catches up with you, so I'd just keep thrashing the E30 if i was you.. :D
ross_jsy
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 7307
Joined: Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:00 pm
Location: Jersey, C.I.

Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:55 am

Only if they catch me :D
bab-91
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 7177
Joined: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:00 pm
Location: Northern Ireland

Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:40 am

ross_jsy wrote:Only if they catch me :D
Your Island is the size of an Asda car park.... they will catch you :wink:
User avatar
Funnybear
E30 Zone Newbie
E30 Zone Newbie
Posts: 239
Joined: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:00 pm

Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:26 am

Maybe i will make some of what I've spent already on the tech 1 cabbie back then . . . . . Although 15k will only just about cover it . . . Hehe.
User avatar
ajay
E30 Zone Camper
E30 Zone Camper
Posts: 1041
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:00 pm

Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:59 am

To make 15k in ten years time a good condition cab (not including the motorsport version) would have to tripple/quadruple in value. Highly unlikely! What then would a nice motorsport cab,or m3 cab,or m3 be worth and who would be queing up at those prices? It just don't add up, yes the value of all good classic's would increase but 15k is wildly exagerated IMO, lets not forget we are in recession and the country is skint but you think a once mass produced vehicle of no particular important heritage will buck the trend. There would have to be a massive demand and short supply for a cab "of any sort" to hit 15k. PS im not bias because i own a nice cab too.
snakebrain
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 3685
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:00 pm

Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:10 pm

ajay wrote:15k is wildly exagerated IMO, lets not forget we are in recession and the country is skint but you think a once mass produced vehicle of no particular important heritage will buck the trend. There would have to be a massive demand and short supply for a cab "of any sort" to hit 15k. PS im not bias because i own a nice cab too.
You've just watched E30 M3s and Sports double in value in the past 2 years. Even less desirable cars like the 320i are starting to cost 3 grand upwards for anything that's worth keeping. What's so hard to believe about the same thing happening again over the next five years?

We are in a recession right now, it's true. But one aspect of that is that we're going to see some serious inflation over the coming years. They devalued the pound by 6.5% against the dollar in the past week.. 8O

So in that scenario, people are going to be looking for hard, appreciating assets to park their money in. Classic cars (along with land/property and a few other asset classes) are perfect for that. So I can see the general classic car market doing very well indeed over the next 5-10 years.

Against that backdrop, E30s and 80s era BMWs are just coming into their first period of true 'classic' status. The M3 and M5 from that era are already taking off as they're recognised as bona fide classics. As Pete reminds us regularly, the vast majority of E30s on the roads are limping from MOT to MOT and won't make it through another ten years. Clean, desirable spec cars will become harder and harder to find, and once the last bruvved Sport vanishes from the roads, it will be strictly a collector's market.
User avatar
ajay
E30 Zone Camper
E30 Zone Camper
Posts: 1041
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:00 pm

Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:52 pm

Your mention of M cars and value has obviously occured, this will be the case with other models of particular heritage, ie Alpina and so on, but i doubt your average good condition car of no particular heritage will increase 4 FOLD in the next 10 years. M cars, Alpina,s, Hartge, other desirable examples are obviously in a league of their own, and are the most desirable for the serious collector/investor, not my immaculate 318i cab.
Morat
E30 Zone Team Member
E30 Zone Team Member
Posts: 8943
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: The Peoples Republic of Yorkshire

Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:56 pm

Classic cars are NOT a cast iron investment. Many people got burnt in the early nineties on classic cars and I don't think anyone is looking to repeat the experience. For people with spare cash they need to hoard, Gold, Gilts, Bonds are always going to be the first ports of call. People who "invest" in classic cars are mainly enjoying a hobby, while hoping to keep the wife/accountant quiet at the same time.
Traders are a different animal, of course.
E30 Touring 0.35 cD - more slippery than prison soap :)

Image
Praise the Lard... and pass the dripping!
snakebrain
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 3685
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:00 pm

Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:15 pm

Morat wrote:For people with spare cash they need to hoard...Bonds are always going to be the first ports of call.
Bonds are generally recognised to be at the very top of a very frothy bubble right now. That's part of the rationale behind my argument that investment will seek tangible assets. All these things are cyclical; bonds fall so cash moves into stocks, stocks fall and it move on into property and so on. That just happens to be where we are at the moment.

Obviously nothing is a cast iron investment, but I feel the modern classic market is well positioned at the moment and BMWs are a really important part of the 80s motoring heritage landscape so should do well accordingly..
bab-91
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 7177
Joined: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:00 pm
Location: Northern Ireland

Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:16 pm

I can't see classic car ownership being as popular in 20 years. Increasing fuel prices and inevitable legislation from Brussels will mean less demand. You can't look at the last 20 years and expect the next 20 to be the same ball game.

Car enthusiasts are the steam train enthusiasts of the future. That's my bleak view anyway.
The Internet - It has proven to be worthless, and is nothing but a repository for perverts.

IG - bab91
Gert_8
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 11304
Joined: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:00 pm
Location: In your back passage faster than a rat up a drainpipe!

Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:18 pm

ajay wrote:M cars, Alpina,s, Hartge, other desirable examples are obviously in a league of their own, and are the most desirable for the serious collector/investor, not my immaculate 318i cab.
Well, say no more..... :D
Image
PONY, 2013 - "Anyway span 360 degrees hitting the kerb and giving the old man two fingers as I was spinning like Michael Schumacher would
Rancid
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 342
Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:00 pm
Location: Bournemouth, Dorset
Contact:

Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:43 pm

Formerly known as Rancido64.

e30less at present, working on that one....

-> Xbox360 Halo freak, GT: a wild Rancid

Mobile Phone Technical Support:
Got a problem with your mobile phone?
PM me and I'll do my best to help :)
polsta
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 10322
Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:00 pm
Location: portsmouth

Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:23 pm

ajay wrote:Your mention of M cars and value has obviously occured, this will be the case with other models of particular heritage, ie Alpina and so on, but i doubt your average good condition car of no particular heritage will increase 4 FOLD in the next 10 years. M cars, Alpina,s, Hartge, other desirable examples are obviously in a league of their own, and are the most desirable for the serious collector/investor, not my immaculate 318i cab.
the 325i cabby will be the one to have, alpina/hartge are already rare/expensive as it is, and the more m3 prices go out of the reach of most, cple of years ago 8-10k, was within reach/more a realistic dream, than it is now for 15-20k prices, so people will look more towards 325i of all types

plus its numbers, there are a few e30s about stil, thats decreasing all the time, "nice" ones are few and far between, in say 2 years most of the sheds will be gone/broke, as people are hunting them out with intent to break as they come to a point of not worth the body work for mr average/non entheusiasts

also with the older cars sub 10k, theres always a lot of interest, people get to certain ages etc nd want one again or one their dad had as they were younger etc etc, e30s have had a big span of production years, so a lot of scope for that...a lot more people will want them over comming years, more so when they get rarer and you dont see sheds on the road, even on here alone how many people join up wanting an e30, or the "want a sport" posts...A LOT !! and thats just this 1 forum and a tiny fraction of the numbers of people that must want them , also the long production span and better build quality means there are more on the roads that others that have had sharp price increases

then of course with the rust and body issues, more "projects" and re shells some in to mind, the engine conversions etc, which keeps the clean shell base model prices creeping up, which is happening now we can all see that

when only the nicest survive, e30s prices will shoot up, even now the prices for nice ones is healthy !
User avatar
ajay
E30 Zone Camper
E30 Zone Camper
Posts: 1041
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:00 pm

Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:44 pm

All markets operate on a supply and demand basis (dictates price),most people would not dream of buying a 10k sport today, the 1 or 2 that have been up over the past couple of years have took a while to sell. There have been a couple of good nice 320 is,s available but not sold (reasonably priced cars), why? Because of no demand or no one wants to pay so much ££ for a slightly lesser model than an M3. Most people who are looking want a bargin for there money and won,t consider a top priced sport in top condition 8-10k, but everyone thinks in a few years time their e30 will fetch a fortune when some decent cars struggle to get sold at the moment. Whatever anyone thinks without a rose tinted crystal ball no one actually knows!
polsta
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 10322
Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:00 pm
Location: portsmouth

Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:53 pm

of course supply and demand dictates prices, at the moment a sport can be picked up from a 2.5k shed to a 5-6k nice one, and even they can hide issues, why would a 10k one easily sell now when a nice one can be bought for 5k, the average seeker wants to hoon around driving enjoying one, and would rather spend 3-4k , where as a 10k one would only be bought by someone wanting to put it away, the supply is there for the demand at the moment a bit of a hunt/patience youl get one, and the sheds out there for lower money dont let the higher end prices creep right up for mr i want an e30 average (the demand) but the nicer ones rarley come up for sale these days, once all the sheds are gone...the demand will still be and probably increase, then the prices will rise, all the time there are road going sheds, it keeps prices down a bit, but once they are gone....
polsta
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 10322
Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:00 pm
Location: portsmouth

Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:07 pm

also, you only have too look at prices now of much cheaper 80s cars, e30s were better and more expensive then, and also will be over comming years once you jsut dont see them and the lower rusty ones on roads, if people pay 3.5k for xr2s and xr3s and 6 8O k for things like this..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-Peugeot- ... 257ae19702

search peugeot 1.9 gti put prices highest 1st...theres only a handfull and all 5-10k !! f**k me !!!

10k e30 sport prices we should see within a few years 2 or 3 ? why should we not ? if them french turds fetch that sort of money a nice 325i bmw e30 will be a few grand more and more desirable

even mk4 xr3is asking 4k now, shite the fooking bed !!!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-X ... 4ac070982b

2-3k for xr2s

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Fiesta-X ... 7675.l2557


as soon as the rusty sheds are gone and only the fittest survive, demand and prices increase, and theres already a lot of demand/want for e30s as it is
Craggy73
E30 Zone Newbie
E30 Zone Newbie
Posts: 177
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:00 pm
Location: Cheshire, UK

Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:32 pm

Anyone know how many E30's are still registered on the roads in the UK? I might make it my mission to have the only one!

... erm, did I say that last bit out loud?
Image
User avatar
Funnybear
E30 Zone Newbie
E30 Zone Newbie
Posts: 239
Joined: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:00 pm

Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:41 am

I ain't telling you where I live then. . . .

All investment is, at the end of the day, a bet. Your betting that your purchase for investment will give you more return than what you paid for it (or into it!). But investment is also a way to mitigate losses. I could purchase a brand new motor and loose 20k on it just by driving it off the forecourt, thats a hell of a lot of years and not much mileage to recoup that if I want to get any of that money back.

But, if I can invest in a 20 year old reasonable desirable 80's cabbie and put a bit of money into it whilst keeping her roadworthy and bristol fashion, sell her on for a few more grand than what I've paid for it, then I'm quids in relatively speaking. Whether she gets another 10 years, and whether she gets to the magic 15k sell price is almost irrelivent next to the fact that if and when I come to sell her, I have lost relatively little compared to other such investments.

Investment isn't always about making money. It's about making sure you don't loose as much as the next guy when the proverbial starts flying . . . . .

All good investors spread bet anyway. Never ever have all your eggs in one basket. Couple of cars here, a town house, a country manor, yacht, couple of Rembrants, fine wine . . . . You never know which one will come up trumps when you want to cash in. And different times have different tastes and fashions. The naughties was dictated by the fashion for housing and 'getting on the ladder'. Who's to say that the 20's won't be all about the 80's sports car.

Nobody knows, and all we can do is speculate.
polsta
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 10322
Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:00 pm
Location: portsmouth

Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:31 pm

Funnybear wrote:
Investment isn't always about making money. It's about making sure you don't loose as much as the next guy when the proverbial starts flying . . . . .

Who's to say that the 20's won't be all about the 80's sports car.

Nobody knows, and all we can do is speculate.

thats it, no one know and we all hope the same thing- that are e30s will go up in value,lets be honest here...no one spends 4k on a car the another few k on it without the think/hope that they wont be loosing out al that money, i think all most of us hope is that very thing..that we wont loose money, we can do what we are doing to out cars and restore/enoy/look after them and they creep up in value a bit and we are not loosing out thats all
Morat
E30 Zone Team Member
E30 Zone Team Member
Posts: 8943
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: The Peoples Republic of Yorkshire

Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:01 pm

The cars that are cheap in the E30 market now will be cheap in the E30 market in 10 years time. Only the rust free, original paint, timewarp examples will be worth proper money. Even they will only really start to appreciate when all the low/medium grade E30s have gone to China because who wants to spend £30k on a rust free E30 when you could pull up at the lights and have Polsta grinning at you from his Fertan special? :)
E30 Touring 0.35 cD - more slippery than prison soap :)

Image
Praise the Lard... and pass the dripping!
retroboyo
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 459
Joined: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:00 pm

Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:05 pm

15 grand in 10 years time will be worth feck all by then.
User avatar
ajay
E30 Zone Camper
E30 Zone Camper
Posts: 1041
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:00 pm

Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:27 pm

thats it, no one know and we all hope the same thing- that are e30s will go up in value,lets be honest here...no one spends 4k on a car the another few k on it without the think/hope that they wont be loosing out al that money, i think all most of us hope is that very thing..that we wont loose money, we can do what we are doing to out cars and restore/enoy/look after them and they creep up in value a bit and we are not loosing out thats all[/quote]


I made the decision to modify my Tech 1 and have spent consierably more than you mention, with no concern to the end value or future prospective desirability of my car. I am not the least bit woried/concerned at all what someone will think its worth or if i ever decided to sell what it might fetch. All that interests me is i enjoy doing It and most important driving it. I would not consider my car an appreciating asset and belive the money spent will never be recovered, just enjoyed. Thats all that matters to me, but others on here clearly want and expect more from their car/hobby which is fine. I do hope you don't end up disapointed!
Kedge
Old Skooler
Old Skooler
Posts: 7702
Joined: Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Leicestershire

Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:14 pm

ajay wrote:I made the decision to modify my Tech 1 and have spent consierably more than you mention, with no concern to the end value or future prospective desirability of my car. I am not the least bit woried/concerned at all what someone will think its worth or if i ever decided to sell what it might fetch. All that interests me is i enjoy doing It and most important driving it. I would not consider my car an appreciating asset and belive the money spent will never be recovered, just enjoyed. Thats all that matters to me, but others on here clearly want and expect more from their car/hobby which is fine. I do hope you don't end up disapointed!
Nail on the head! All these threads talking crap about what E30s will be worth in years to come are getting as tedious as they are pointless! Just enjoy your cars in there here and now while you can!
Image
'86 Polaris 316 M20B28 Rebuild
Instagram - Kedge85
Post Reply