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DanThe wrote:155 stretch and 8 inches of poke here on ebay for the phat crew to roll with - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 500wt_1364
His user name is 'cool dubs' What is cool about 1000kg of dub scrap with a roof rack ? :?
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I worked for Michelin, the tread is designed to be the same size as the rim for adhesion to the road, the wall for the handling, the lower the wall the less flex when cornering...any streched wall of a tyre distorts the steel cords running through and the comporomises the flatness of the tread when cornering...also you run the risk of kerbing your rims...we experimented by putting a tyre suitable for a 5 inch rim on to a 10 inch rim (10j 16) and pushed the tyre through a full speed corner, tyre came off the rim!...with a bang!
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My Minor Traveller recently failed the MOT on a few items, one of them being that one of the back tyres, a new Michelin 165/70R14 was a slightly different profile (side wall height) than the other three 165R14.

It didn't bother me much, as I was taking the wheels off for a refurb and had a spare set to go on with new matching tyres all round, but I was quite surprised by it.
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A. Type of Structure

On all the tyres fitted, check the

1. Nominal size and aspect ratio.

Note: It cannot be assumed that there is a difference in the nominal sizes of tyres because either twin wheel is not in contact with the ground.
Note: A Class 3 or 4 vehicle tyre which appears to be of inadequate size, ply or speed rating for the vehicle or its use is not a reason for rejection. However, the vehicle presenter should be informed.

Anything other than the tyres fitted by the manufacturer or advised by the manufacturer puts you foul of this, even dropping to a 205/50/15 from a 205/55/15 falls foul of this.

However UNECE regulation 30 and its revisions seem to indicate that a tyre used/fitted on a rim size for which it has not been submitted for testing is no longer considered a type approved road legal tyre.
That in it's self may be enough.
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs21-40.html

Construction and use simply states the following
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986 ... tents/made

Condition and maintenance of tyres

27.””(1) Save as provided in paragraphs (2), (3) and (4), a wheeled motor vehicle or trailer a wheel of which is fitted with a pneumatic tyre shall not be used on a road, if””

(a)the tyre is unsuitable having regard to the use to which the motor vehicle or trailer is being put or to the types of tyres fitted to its other wheels;

(b)the tyre is not so inflated as to make it fit for the use to which the motor vehicle or trailer is being put;

(c)the tyre has a cut in excess of 25 mm or 10% of the section width of the tyre, whichever is the greater, measured in any direction on the outside of the tyre and deep enough to reach the ply or cord;

(d)the tyre has any lump, bulge or tear caused by separation or partial failure of its structure;

(e)the tyre has any of the ply or cord exposed;

(f)the base of any groove which showed in the original tread pattern of the tyre is not clearly visible;

(g)either””

(i) the grooves of the tread pattern of the tyre do not have a depth of at least 1 mm throughout a continuous band measuring at least three-quarters of the breadth of the tread and round the entire outer circumference of the tyre; or

(ii) if the grooves of the original tread pattern of the tyre did not extend beyond three-quarters of the breadth of the tread, any groove which showed in the original tread pattern does not have a depth of at least 1 mm; or

(h)the tyre is not maintained in such condition as to be fit for the use to which the vehicle or trailer is being put or has a defect which might in any way cause damage to the surface of the road or damage to persons on or in the vehicle or to other persons using the road.

I think the bits in bold may be enough rope, however they may not be, personally i wouldn't want to risk it.

Besides there really is no performance advantage to stretched tyres.

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35.””(1) Save as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3), every motor vehicle shall be fitted with a speedometer which, if the vehicle is first used on or after 1st April 1984, shall be capable of indicating speed in both miles per hour and kilometres per hour, either simultaneously or, by the operation of a switch, separately.


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I dont think my tyres warrent points


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Nice Event tyres :wink:
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pacerpete wrote:
DanThe wrote:155 stretch and 8 inches of poke here on ebay for the phat crew to roll with - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 500wt_1364
His user name is 'cool dubs' What is cool about 1000kg of dub scrap with a roof rack ? :?
I go to a few of my local vw meets and some of the sights make me cringe.
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verde wrote:I dont think my tyres warrent points


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The sidewalls are clearly operating outside of their intended parameters, having an adverse effect on the performance of the tyre, so i certainly think these "deserve points". I'm fairly sure VOSA and most traffic cops would agree with me.
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Blitz wrote:Nice Event tyres :wink:
Not really used them yet, I was told they were a value tyre that was, reasonable and not bad compared to some of the Chinese plastic shit. Iv yet to see. All i could afford at the time unfortunately.
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:21 pm

its barely even a stretch though, its less than 1 inch
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verde wrote:
Blitz wrote:Nice Event tyres :wink:
Not really used them yet, I was told they were a value tyre that was, reasonable and not bad compared to some of the Chinese plastic shit. Iv yet to see. All i could afford at the time unfortunately.
did you know you can buy tyres from tesco online :mad:
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Blitz wrote:Nice Event tyres :wink:
Not really used them yet, I was told they were a value tyre that was, reasonable and not bad compared to some of the Chinese plastic shit. Iv yet to see. All i could afford at the time unfortunately.
did you know you can buy tyres from tesco online :mad:
I just looked at reviews of my tyres.....anyone wanna buy some tyres?
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verde wrote:its barely even a stretch though, its less than 1 inch
Do you happen to know the recommended wheel sizes for your tyres? There should be a chart for them somewhere.
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:51 pm

Il have a look. Id still try take it to court if they tried to sting me for it, I completely do not think its worth 3 points atal.
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:53 pm

What you 'think' doesn't even come into it, the beak will tell you this, but in a very different way :)
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:57 pm

Yep, if the charts say that your tyres are on the wrong rims then you're just going to court to get slapped even harder. BTW, you're not taking it to court - you're being taken to court. There's quite a difference!
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My family know a few traffic cops and they havnt heard of it and dont see the issue with it, I think itl really depend on who pulls you over.

edit : people around here drive drunk or without licenses, infact yesterday i saw a guy drive past with no windows in his car, just bin bags and gaps. if the police pull me because my brand new tyres that were professionally fitted and MOTed annoy them they need to get their feckin priorities right
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:03 pm

Verde, I'm sure what you say is true - it's just not a defence. All we're saying is be careful because if you DO get a tug, the copper has an open goal in front of him. If he can be bothered, you'll get 12 points and a fine.

edit: at the very least, go check out to see if your tyre/wheel combination are within the tyre manufacturers guidelines. If they are they you've got a chance, if not then at least you know what you're dealing with.
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Yeah I guess so man. Well im willing to take the risk ( cant afford new tyres anyway ) I dont think it should be an issue but if i do get stung i shant complain too much as I now know the bacon have been alerted to this method of tyre fitting.
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verde wrote:I dont think it should be an issue
I didn't think climbing out that nice man's window at 3am with a bag of swag over my shoulder should be an issue, but the man in the wig said different..
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hahah, as you do
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Brian, can answer this ??
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Brianmoooore wrote: The MOT test only covers a very limited number of points, and is more concerned with the deterioration of standard parts fitted to the vehicle, rather than illegal modifications that have been deliberately made.
What is illegal about stretch's ?

As I said its down to whats the tester and police think is un safe or an incorrectly mounted tyre. It's a personal opinion, not law.

If I get a letter from Toyo saint their T1r tyre in 195 45 15 size is fine to be mounted on a 9j rim then it simply is and theres nothing to persue until it a law is passed with guidlines.

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Brianmoooore wrote: The sidewalls are clearly operating outside of their intended parameters, having an adverse effect on the performance of the tyre, so i certainly think these "deserve points". I'm fairly sure VOSA and most traffic cops would agree with me.
Are they? Have you checked with the tyre manufacturer

The plain simple fact is the are no clear grounds for issuing points

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My "stretch" which you'd say according to your opinion are out side the safe parameters. The tyres didnt pop off the rims during a track day
But they are with in the working parameters according to Falken

Verde, what size tyre width as profile and J of the rim?
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Im running 9js allround with 215/40R16s

its really not a huge stretch atal, its a little bit of an angle but...its nothing insane
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What wheels and tyres does the manufacturer of the car recommend?

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It looks pony, it's unsafe , your rimzz get slaughtered, it attracts the rozzerz and worst of all you look like some pants around his knees sorry dubscum !

Why ? :?
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I would happily have been part of that " dub scum " in a mk1 jetta if i could have found a decent example
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I dont understand why you lot hate so much on the dub boys, you should go down to a few meets and talk to the people that drive them cars. Most of them dont give a damn about performance and speed, there more concerned about keeping there cars super clean and low.
LOW=GOING SLOW + NO FAT CHICKS

Yea there tyres may have stretch but they do that to allow them to go low without rubbing the arches, But look at the wheels they rock there normally rare and expensive which they probably polish weekly and try there best to avoid kerbing them at all costs.

No one hates on the little shits that drive stripped out fiestas, saxos, clios or corsas. there the dangerous ones in my opinion because there concern is lightning the car so its faster but yet not upgrading the brakes.

I'd rather be a dub boy then drive a chav rocket, when i was looking for my e30 i also had my eye out for a 67beetle or a corrado g60

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verde wrote:I would happily have been part of that " dub scum " in a mk1 jetta if i could have found a decent example
Why does that not surprise me?
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verde wrote:Im running 9js allround with 215/40R16s

its really not a huge stretch atal, its a little bit of an angle but...its nothing insane
One chart I've looked at says that tyres of this width (not specifically your make of tyres) are OK up to 8.5" rims, but another says a max. of 8".
9" is only 0.25" over the 8.5" each side, so you might just get away with that, if they accept the 8.5" limit rather than the 8" one, but ultimately my opinion is irrelevant - it's the one the traffic cop adopts that matters.
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kangman wrote:I dont understand why you lot hate so much on the dub boys, you should go down to a few meets and talk to the people that drive them cars. Most of them dont give a damn about performance and speed, there more concerned about keeping there cars super clean and low.
LOW=GOING SLOW + NO FAT CHICKS
it's a different kettle of fish, a BMW is a drivers car winkeye

anyway you fookers have got it all wrong, the proper way to "stretch" a tyre is to use BHP :D

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verde wrote:I would happily have been part of that " dub scum " in a mk1 jetta if i could have found a decent example
Why does that not surprise me?
Probably because iv stated it many many, many times aswell as my love for the volkswagen scene? Thats probably why.


Thanks very much brian, as you say its not a huuuge amount over the guide so fingers crossed
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Kos your tyre is about to fall off! No wonder that shopping trolley is gaining on you :D

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