release bearing?

[shedrool83]

Took the car for a rare outing today and theres are horrile noise which goes away when the clutch is pressed in,so thinking a new clutch is needed

Anyone did a clutch change on one without removing the lump?

[rich318i]

yeah did mine cos it was slipping, car just needs to be up in the air and about 3 long extentions not much room. once everything was off notice the m52(duelmass) fly wheel was fooked £350ish for a new one. so did a m20 conversion. the noise is just gearbox chatter which i would guess your fly wheel is fooked. has it started to slip?

[shedrool83]

I'm running an m20 lightened flywheel.It has only slipped once when i gave it death from standing start.

[rich318i]

its just gearbox chatter dont worry about it. duelmass flys are ment to stop that chatter. you had any other problems?

[shedrool83]

Sounds abit bad to be gearbox chatter tbh

[rich318i]

you got the e36 gearbox or e30?

[rich318i]

i know for a fact the bearings need 5mm put on the to take up the 5mm offset to the m20 clutch forks but that dont stop the chatter

[shedrool83]

Using an 1.8 m40 box new spigot bearing fitted when conservion was done.

[rich318i]

if it sounds ok when driving dont worry its normal lighten fly wheel's have that effect when at a dead stop

[leeparkes]

If the noise disappears when the clutch is pressed imo its a gearbox problem.

What sort of noise is it? rattling, rumbling, grinding etc...

[shedrool83]

Its more of a rattle Lee

[rich318i]

its the shaft that rattles its common. mine drives fine and gears are fine.

[rich318i]

its cos of we dont have the duelmass fly wheel its take up the rattle

[rich318i]

would you moan if you had a racing cut gearbox cos every gear is like the reverse gear

[shedrool83]

I no what gearbox chatter is but this sounds to loud to be that.

[DanThe]

Release bearing is more like a scraping/bearing noise
Gearbox is a rattle/chatter

If you have an e30 box its very common for it to rattle, if you have ATF fluid in it try changing it for some fully synth Redline MTF oil

[rich318i]

might do MTF oil in my 328 box. Swear they say use ATF cos is makes the box last less as long

[shedrool83]

I do have atf in it Dan.
Will try mtf and see if it makes a diff.
The clutch is a 2l one which looked good at the time of doing the conversion .Should have just bit the bullet and fitted a new sachs at the time.

[DanThe]

We put this in a mates iS box and it stopped the rattle - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Redline-MT-90 ... 418wt_1345

[rich318i]

I do have atf in it Dan.
Will try mtf and see if it makes a diff.
The clutch is a 2l one which looked good at the time of doing the conversion .Should have just bit the bullet and fitted a new sachs at the time.

OMG it wasn't a new clutch lol you didnt sat that, sorry but ur a prat.

[rich318i]

We put this in a mates iS box and it stopped the rattle - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Redline-MT-90 ... 418wt_1345

but dan minus the duelmass fly with every gearbox gets the chatter. ive seen many conversions even with racing flywheel and a silly clutch.

[leeparkes]

Nowt wrong with a second hand clutch if there's still plenty meat on it.

[shedrool83]

I do have atf in it Dan.
Will try mtf and see if it makes a diff.
The clutch is a 2l one which looked good at the time of doing the conversion .Should have just bit the bullet and fitted a new sachs at the time.

OMG it wasn't a new clutch lol you didnt sat that, sorry but ur a prat.

No need for that is there.

[DanThe]

We put this in a mates iS box and it stopped the rattle - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Redline-MT-90 ... 418wt_1345

but dan minus the duelmass fly with every gearbox gets the chatter. ive seen many conversions even with racing flywheel and a silly clutch.

No they dont, ive done lots of conversions and rarely have a rattley box, if it does rattle its usually because its an abused old box.
My track car has a paddle clutch and the box is far from great but it doesnt rattle at all

[shedrool83]

We put this in a mates iS box and it stopped the rattle - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Redline-MT-90 ... 418wt_1345

Cheers Dan i'll order some now.

[rich318i]

We put this in a mates iS box and it stopped the rattle - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Redline-MT-90 ... 418wt_1345

but dan minus the duelmass fly with every gearbox gets the chatter. ive seen many conversions even with racing flywheel and a silly clutch.

No they dont, ive done lots of conversions and rarely have a rattley box, if it does rattle its usually because its an abused old box.
My track car has a paddle clutch and the box is far from great but it doesnt rattle at all

his on about the car just in idle rattle not driving mine never did till the m20 fly in traffic

[leeparkes]

Im running a M20 fly with bog standard ATF and the box is whisper quiet, even at idle.

[rich318i]

till it goes bang then i moan

[DanThe]

but dan minus the duelmass fly with every gearbox gets the chatter. ive seen many conversions even with racing flywheel and a silly clutch.

No they dont, ive done lots of conversions and rarely have a rattley box, if it does rattle its usually because its an abused old box.
My track car has a paddle clutch and the box is far from great but it doesnt rattle at all

his on about the car just in idle rattle not driving mine never did till the m20 fly in traffic

Yeah I know

[rich318i]

No they dont, ive done lots of conversions and rarely have a rattley box, if it does rattle its usually because its an abused old box.
My track car has a paddle clutch and the box is far from great but it doesnt rattle at all

his on about the car just in idle rattle not driving mine never did till the m20 fly in traffic

Yeah I know

i got a knocking in my boot what can it be lol ??

[Demlotcrew]

rich318i, a zero balanced light flywheel is better than any dual mass. Your M20 flywheel is clearly scrap by the sounds of it.

[shedrool83]

Clutch was in good nick when i fitted it with plenty meat on it.
I'll see how far i have to put the clutch in before the noise stops.
The conversion is about 18 months old now but not done alot of miles in that time (2k tops)

Got a few things to try now and a bit more of an insite .

Cheers guys

I'll report back with my findings