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Thu May 10, 2012 10:47 pm

I think this is the right area...I don't really get the 'Project Blogs' section, doesn't work the same as a forum wrt images, links, formatting etc.

If this is the wrong area, can a mod move/advise. :)




I've been through 2x e36s, a 328i that lasted ~4months and a 318iS that I ran for a year. The 318iS was a good car although it had various issues that I just wasn't prepared to fix as whilst it was good, it wasn't great. I sold it and bought a more practical car as I'd been moving house fairly often and figured I wanted the boot space etc.
It's now nearly a year later and I'm chuffing bored of the Mondeo so have been keeping my eye out for potential new cars to replace it. I was eyeing up E36s again but the cost of a decent one with a proper engine made my eyes water, the shoddy ones, well, they are/were fairly costly for what they are and would need loads throwing at them to bring up to the level I'd want. I was also then looking at Mk1 and Mk2 MX-5s as they are brilliant little RWD cars. I decided to wait until I'd driven a mate's Mk1 before I made up my mind, which also gave me plenty of time to get the money I'd need for a half decent Mk2 or a fairly nice Mk1.

So that's how I left it about a month ago, then, last week I was browsing ebay ads and spotted a fairly decent E30 325i Coupe (2 door 'loon if you're picky) that I linked to a few mates saying to them "that'd be an awesome little project" but I also knew the car would go for silly money. One of them though, being the sort of bloke that he is said "do you want an E30 then?" after saying how I'd have one if I could get a cheap one he went on to say about one that one of his friends had a 325i Cab and wants rid. To cut a long story short, we agreed on a price (low for an E30 325i Cab but with good reason...) and I went looking for transport companies to get it the 200miles to my house. Booked (on Sat) a brilliant company via Shiply who picked the car up on Monday morning and delivered it to me at 8:30am this morning. Absolutely outstanding service from the guys and very cheap too.

I was at work all day so was feeling like a child at Christmas when 5pm came and I could get back to inspect my new purchase...that's right I hadn't looked it. :D

Rolled up at the house and grinned ear to ear, then got out and inspected the car. Well, it isn't a minter but I knew this, it'll need lots of work to get it to a pristine level and I'm prepared to do this, have loads of the tools I need and will buy more if I need them. After checking the car out I gave it a fairly good clean, didn't want to go too wild with the hose as I spotted a few spots where water will (and have in some cases) get in the car.
The car had been sat for around 18 months so had gained some moss/algae which I've mostly cleaned off, just some areas are impossible to clean without removing parts. The hood was fairly new when it went off the road so that is good, it needs a proper scrub with a wetvac though to get the soaked in grime from being sat, no biggie. The body had also had a respray a little while before it was laid up, so for the most part it is very tidy. It is however a 24 year old car and so it does have it's problems. The arches, all of them, will likely need cutting and welding, especially the rear driver's side as that is flaking quite badly really. There are a couple of spots of rust in other places but it is mostly rust free which is ace. The window seals though, these are a big problem (luckily I should have it in the garage before it rains on the car) as the pillar seals sit about 5mm from the windows when the doors are closed which is likely going to let rain in. On the interior side of things, it is quite shabby to but it bluntly, but that's fine.
The reason why I got it for a 'low' price is because the engine has gone, as far as the previous owner is aware. He was driving along on the motorway, it stalled and the AA man said it had seized. I've had a look and it is showing signs that it may have blown the head gasket but I can't fully tell until the weekend when I can get my hands grubby in the garage.

All in all though I am very happy with my purchase and I really can't complain for £500 (I'm sure a lot of people would/will complain ;)). I look at it in terms of cost of car + required parts to get it road legal = less than a shoddy running car (£1200+ for a running car when I looked over the last few days). However I don't plan on just fixing/replacing the engine and then rocking around in a tatty E30, ooooh no, this will be a restoration project for the most part. I want to bring it back to it's former glory and potentially make it much more interesting too. :)

Anyway, enough talk, on with the pictures!

Exterior before I put some water on it:
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Interior:
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Engine:
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Arches:
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Exterior after a quick clean:
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Thu May 10, 2012 10:47 pm

After getting the car in the garage on Weds I decided to wait until the weekend to work on the car. My plan for the bank holiday weekend was simple: Remove boot/contents of boot, remove bonnet, remove interior, maybe do a little bit of work on the engine.

With that in mind I decided to take things slow...


Day One - 05/05/2012

I removed the contents of the boot (carpets and all) to find that my suspicions of the boot's gas strut being about 10mm too long when closed did indeed result in rust in the boot! Luckily though the rust was not the car, it was in fact a handful of old screws and bolts that someone decided to leave in the jack/tool well on the passenger side. Panic over I removed the strut and closed the boot which confirmed that it was the strut causing the boot to remain slightly higher on the passenger side than on the driver's side. The boot lid then got removed, spoiler taken off and apart, all bits cleaned, dried and stored safely away. The rubber part of the spoiler is going to need treating with some black revival stuff, but for now whilst it is sat in the dry it can stay as it is.

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Clean


Next up on my list was the bonnet, whilst the design is cool it gets in the way when working on an engine (as do all bonnets in fairness) so I pulled that off and again, stored it out of the way. The paintwork on the bonnet is very good so I want to avoid it getting damaged. I'd been told the car has had a respray shortly before it stopped working and this was evident when inspecting the bonnet. No stone chips or anything.

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Mad Max?


Next up: Interior. Rear seat base is very easy to remove, the back however proved problematic if I followed guides on how to do it. They all said "the bolts are by the wing or they may be towards the centre near the seatbelt anchor mounts" which is fine...if someone prior to you hasn't been a complete imbecile and installed a third seat belt into the wrong positions!
They had used the seat back mount bolts to 'secure' the seat belt anchors and the lap belt, this meant that in the event of an accident with someone in the back they would likely have been caused serious injury either from the width of the lap section of the harness or by the bolts used to anchor the belts having failed.
All of that is ignoring the fact that the seat base (and back) are only designed for two people to be sat in the back and the third person in the middle would be rather uncomfortable sat on the dividing spine.
Below is an image of the mounting points with the belt anchor points in the correct position for the car. You can see the two points where the belts were anchored previously ~6inches either side of the current/correct point.

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Once the rears were out it was time for the fronts to come out, not like I'll be driving it anywhere for a while, so out they go.

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No seats.


Just to make it look a bit neater (and for me to clean up the parts/fabricate some new bits) I removed the handbrake console area. This had a lovely tape selector in it still, how 80s! I've got some plans for where the tape unit went but we'll just have to see if they work out at some other stage. I also removed the soft top cover as it was partially in my way but also due to some of the opening/closing mechanisms having failed it was causing damage to car.

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Naked.


Next up, engine!

Well, just before the engine I actually stripped off the front grille and lights to avoid damaging them and to get them out of my way when working on the engine. No pictures of that stage though.
I then started to remove parts from the engine, first item to come out was the airbox and associated parts that go with it. Once I pulled it out I was greeted with this:

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Post airbox/MAF, pre throttle body.

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MAF.


Ok, so I found some gunk/mayo in there. This got me intrigued as to just what was in the engine and what had happened to it. The next easy to remove item was the top radiator hose which provided me with:

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Mayo hand.

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Mayo radiator.


Next was the pipe on the water pump, this gave me a real surprise!

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Oil.


I was surprised about the oil as I expected mayo...the oil came out, all over the garage floor and my foot. :lol:

Another water pipe, this time from the thermostat housing:

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Thermomayo.


Throttle body time! It looked innocent enough...

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Throttle body inlet.


...then I opened it!

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Throttle mayo.

I removed the throttle body from the inlet and mayo went everywhere.

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Throttle body sludge.


I cleaned up all of the mayo and stopped it from going into other parts of the engine or ancileries.

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Engine.


I then hauled the plenum off (wow that is a pain to do)! I then inspected the cylinders, 1-5 were dry pretty much (slight dampness/mayo on a couple valves) but 6 contained mayo, this could get interesting.

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Engine without plenum.


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No. 6.


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No. 4, No. 5 & No. 6.


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No. 2, No. 3 & No. 4.


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No. 1 & No. 2.


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Inlet plenum, engine-side.


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Inlet plenum breather pipe.


I also removed the radiator, viscous van and a couple other bits, but those aren't that interesting (at least not compared to the mayo etc. :lol: ).

That pretty much wraps up Sat's work at about 21:30.




So in about 10hrs I did everything I'd planned to do over the whole three days pretty much! Good thing about this means that I've got the rest of the weekend to do as much or little as I want on the car. Unfortunately I'm unable to remove the engine currently because a friend is borrowing our engine crane but it should be returned some point next week, which gives me next weekend's task of engine removal. The annoying thing about the E30 compared to the E36 is that to remove the engine you have to hoist it out of the engine bay. On the E36 you can remove the front end crash bars etc. and pretty much just pull the engine from the car without much lift on it. I always dislike having to hoist an engine in/out of a car because it always takes longer than you think. Anyway, got a bit of time before I have to worry about that. :)

The plan for the engine is to strip it down and see how much damage has been caused, if it is just mayo in/around the engine then I can clean out all the gunk and rebuild the engine. If there is damage to internals (pistons, sump contains metal fragments etc.) then I shall source a new engine. A new/replacement engine is more what I'd like to do because it is fairly simple, but I would also like to strip and rebuild this one so I know every cm of the block and it's internal history. If I do source a new engine I have various options, these options put me into a bit of a dilemma because instantly the child in me says 'do a swap' so that I can have a bigger, more powerful engine sat up front. The options are a replacement M20 or an M50 or M52 from the E36 (these require some modification to the bay, but fairly minor). Those are the sensible options to go for, I'm leaning towards the M50 from the 325i because it is a close match to the original engine whilst also being quite fun. There are of course (as with everything) the silly/fun options which are E36 M3 engines, V8s etc. these require a substantial amount more work to get them to fit but could well prove to be utterly amazing fun (fitting and driving). Something I need to factor in on top of the ease of fitting etc. is the cost of an engine (and gearbox if not a standard engine) which goes from cheap (for an M20) to utterly silly (for an M3 engine + box). An annoyingly sensible middle ground is the V8 (surprisingly) as they are ~£500 for an engine + box, which is also what you're looking at for the M50/M52 engines. Another option with regards to sourcing the engine and gearbox from another car is to buy a running car with the gear I need already in it and pull it out. This can cost more (obviously) but also provides the ability to sell of parts from the car to recoup some of the costs.
I will be researching everything required for all of the engine options I might wish to pursue if this engine is beyond repair so I'll know just what needs doing to the engine bay etc. before I buy anything. I don't want to buy an engine (and 'box) only to find out it'll cost me £1k in parts to fit it. Another thing to consider with the larger powered engines is of course stopping power, which would need to be addressed for most of the power increase options. I certainly won't be making any hasty decisions, it is all going to be planned out properly so that I can get the best for my time and money.




Day Two - 06/05/2012

I decided today that I wanted to have a fairly relaxed one, so in the morning I 'popped' to Halfords (50 miles away) and picked up some leather feed (Mer Leather Cleaner) and I then spent the afternoon feeding the rear seats and the front passenger seat. I decided against feeding the driver's side for now because of the hole in the side it'll need a retrim (which means I'll probably also retrim the passenger seat to make them match).
I've never used leather feed etc. before so was unsure as to how well this would actually work on the seats due to the sheer number and size of the cracks in the leather. I needn't have worried as it appears to have brought them up a treat, although I shall feed them again tomorrow or sometime after work next week as I'm sure they can get much better than they are.

Whilst dismantling the passenger seat I found out something interesting (geek mode enabled), the Sports seats in the E30 only rely on cables for the flip forward function, the rest of the adjustment abilities are done using pneumatic gas struts (like you have to hold a car boot open) to provide the resistance when you're moving the seat back/base into the desired position/height.
This is a brilliant design and works well, unless of course these items are 24 years old and have also been damaged at some point in their life. Upon removing the seat back I was greeted with this:

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Pneumatic gas strut.


Now it doesn't take a genius to work out that this strut is not quite in shape, especially when you compared it to the strut on the other side of the seat:

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The reason for this damage is because someone has previously taken the seat apart due to snapping the flip forward cable and then lost the correct bolt to hold the back on so replaced it with one of similar length. I say similar, I don't mean that at all, it is about 5-10mm longer than the original bolt and it is threaded up to the bolt head, the original is threaded about two thirds of the way up the shaft only. Someone proceeded to then do this replacement bolt up until the head was flush against the socket which meant the back didn't wobble about, this also meant that they drove the bolt into the strut and destroyed it. Unfortunately this affects the angle adjustment of the back of the seat because it stops the struts from being able to force the seat forwards if it is set all the way back. It doesn't actually stop it from being adjusted however, so I'm likely going to leave it as-is for now. I ran some part numbers through BMW-Cooper Parts online check and ONE strut will set me back between £25 and £40 (three different part numbers for the same item), each seat has four of these struts which means to return the seats to the former glory, in pneumatic adjustment only, will cost me a few hundred pounds which seems excessive when they do work (just not as silky smooth as originally intended).


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Here you can see the 'new' bolt (only done up gently to that position).


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Here you can see the old bolt, done up to it's full extent.


Just a slight difference between the two I think you'll agree. :P I'll need to source myself a few new bolts for the car anyway so these will be added to the list of new bolts required (I'll get a few as the original bolt on this seat is in fact bent). After my discoveries I then actually did treat the leather and think it has come out rather well.
Various photos of the interior, for the most part, before and after shots:

Rear Bench Before:
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Rear Bench After:
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Front Seat Back Before:
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Front Seat Back After:
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Front Seat Base Before:
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Front Seat Base After:
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Headrest Before:
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Headrest After:
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Over all I think the leather feed has worked wonders on the seats. It is harder to tell in the pictures due to the flash and stuff but originally the seats were very cracked looking and now they look a huge amount better and make me not want to bother retrimming any of these seats. The top of the rear bench does have a rip in it on a seam so I'm going to have to do something about that. I'm thinking that if I am retrimming the front driver's seat then what I can do is create a patch from the old front seat leather an use that to sort out the hole. This I feel is the easiest and most friendly option to my wallet and, if done right, shouldn't make it look like it is patched up but who knows, I may just get a full set of leather covers made up and retrim them all, depends how flush I'm feeling later on in the process of fixing up this car.

That's it for the past couple days on the car but I suspect I'll be working on it again tomorrow so should have another update ready by the end of the bank holiday. Hope you guys have enjoyed reading so far.
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Thu May 10, 2012 10:48 pm

Day Three - 07/05/2012

After a lazy day doing the seats yesterday I decided I'd tackle the remainder of the engine today, removing ancileries and generally getting it prepped for block removal later in the week.

Before that though I wanted to do a little cleaning up of the rust in the boot that I mentioned yesterday, this isn't body rust, just some bolts that have gotten wet and rusted.

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Rusty bolts.


Removed the bolts etc. from there and gave it a going over with a wirebrush.

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Tidy.



Granted it isn't perfectly clean but that is more due to the access and the state of the brush I was using than anything else. It is solid in there which actually surprised me, but in a good way. The car looks like it has been garaged most of it's life in all honesty, with the last few years it being out in the wet. This would explain why the car is so clean and tidy and virtually rust free. On that note, I've worked on newer cars that haven't been garaged and bolts etc. are rusty and snap or round when attempting to remove things. On this car though I've had about two or three bolts that refused to be undone, although the Irwin sockets we've got make light work of them. They just bite in and undo them as if they were new bolts and a normal socket being used on them.



On with the engine!

This is how the car started this morning:

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Front end.


Pulled the sump plug out to drain any oil, water or engine parts that may be in there but was only oil, although saying that I had a couple of 'glugs' happen when it was draining out, didn't catch what they were and haven't fished about in my tub'o'oil just yet.

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Just like a normal oil change.


I decided to pull the belt inspection panel off, to, inspect the belt although I was greeted with a rather unhappy looking belt tensioner.

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Tensioner through inspection port.


To get the full belt cover off I needed to remove the dizzy (been a long while since I've had a car with a dizzy :D ) so figured I'd also inspect the condition of that. The cap seemed ok but the rotor has seen better days.

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Dizzy rotor.


Once that was out of the way I could then remove the timing belt cover and have a good look at the tensioner which was certainly not in a good condition. The belt on the other hand looked fine so I'm not sure quite why the tensioner has failed. I'd assume it was not replaced when the belt was which is rather poor on a service, but there we go.

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Timing belt and tensioner.

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Timing belt and tensioner.

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Belt tensioner


The belt tensioner being skewed as it is meant that the belt was rubbing on the belt cover which really isn't good, as you can see in the picture it has cut through the grime and polished itself a nice little channel.

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Belt cover inside.


With the belt out of the way I was then able to tackle the water pump which I knew already had oil in it, just how much though I didn't know until I went to pull it out. I pulled it out and oil went everywhere, it seems like my water pump got converted into an oilpump when the engine died. :P There was barely any mayo in the pump though, just nice black oil.

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Oily water pump.

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Oil & mayo slick.

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Oil slick.


I decided I'd inspect the water pump by cleaning it and seeing if there was much wrong with it. Aside from the fact it was full of oil it was in very good condition. The pump spins freely and nicely but the gasket is baked on, some is on the block, some is on the pump as can be seen below.

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Water pump wiped down.


With the oil slowly draining from the water ways in the block I figured it'd be a good time to remove the expansion tank and pipework for it. I expected there to be a fair bit of oil the pipework but there actually wasn't much at all.


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Expansion tank.


As I was removing ancileries I then pulled the starter off which was again, in a very good contion. It looks to be original (but may not be of course...I should go through the paperwork/22years of service history I have for the car) which again I thought was pretty good going considering the car is 24 and 140k up. I realise they don't get much use as they are for starting only but I've had loads fail on French cars in succession.

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Starter motor.


At this point the engine looked slightly bare.

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Engine sans bits.


I wanted to get the oil cooler off but found out that this meant I needed to remove the front skirt which was not at all easy (it should have been simple) due to the fact the car has had a knock. Inspecting the car at this point showed me about the knock and what has happened to various parts and why they are as they are. The front headlights don't match and I've properly discovered why. The front driver's side has taken a beating but it appears to have not been structural as the actual chassis is intact, it hasn't been bent or anything. The wing was replaced (and so has no rust on it compared to the others) along with the headlight so I no longer have two smilies.
The skirt is meant to have a few screws on the front by the oil cooler vent holes (which mine does), one on each side in the wheel arch and then another on each side below the fog lamps. On one side (driver's) this was fine and they were set used correctly. Popping out the plug from the front of the skirt and unscrewing it was nice and easy on the driver's side. On the passenger side though I came into a problem, long thin screws that didn't seem normal and also a pile of solid stuff where the front screw below the fog where a screw should be. I had to beat the nuts out of the skirt to get it to come off the car, it would appear that someone had broken this fixing point when removing/refitting the skirt after repairing the damaged wing etc. So, rather than getting a replacement skirt they decided to use filler and fire some utterly rubbish screws into the skirt and body to hold it on. Nice and pikey, ffs.
So it looks like I'm going to want a new skirt thrown onto my list of bits I need to buy, that or I fabricate a better way of fitting the current skirt to make refitting a lot easier than before.

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Normal screw and long pikey screw (Passneger side).

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Pikey screw no. 2 (Passenger side).

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Fillered cracks (Driver's side).

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Pikey screw and filler replacing normal screw (Passenger side).


Once I'd gotten over how stupid someone had been I then removed the oil cooler assembly and the oil filter (a huge pain to remove on the car as it is under/below the exhaust manifold) and inspected it. It would appear the engine did seize/hyrdolock and luckily (for the oil cooler and myself I guess) it was before mayo could circulate around the full oil system and so the cooler and filter only contained black oil, no mayo at all.

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Filter connection (the mayo in there is from the water lines, used the same bucket).


The car now looks even less like a car than before. A huge amount of the front can't be removed though unfortunately so (I think I mentioned it yesterday) the engine will have to be hauled out of the top rather than pulled out the front. On the E36 you can remove most of the front end and easily pull the block with minimal lifting required. Still, all is not lost, it is doable.

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Front End.

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Front.


Now was the turn of the cam cover to come off, I expected mayo and was indeed greeted with a fair load of it on the underside of the cover, but I was not expecting what I did find.

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Cam cover mayo.

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What's wrong here?


Ok, so, not a huge amount of mayo really on the camshaft or rockers but something really isn't right in there at all!


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Valves on 6, 5, 4. All good.


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Valves on 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Not so good!


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Valves on 4, 3, 2, 1. Not good!


Ok so I'm sure people have worked out now what is wrong here, but if not I'll explain, from the begining.

The M20 is a single cam 6 cylinder, 12 valve engine. The way the head and cam are set up on this car means that the valves are operated by a rocker rather than the cam itself (Single Over Head Cam / Duel Over Head Cam engines on the other hand have a camshaft (or two) that operate the valves itself). These rockers are tear drop shaped and run on their own shaft. When the cam turns the lobes push one end of the rocker up which forces the other down onto the valve to allow air, fuel or exhaust gasses in/out, as the cam continues to rotate the lobe drops away from the rocker which is then forced up by the spring on the valve.
A simple enough design and it works well enough, although modern cars are all OHC engines as it is generally just better.

What has happened here is that one cylinder has filled with mayo due to the head gasket failing (either directly into the cylinder or into the air system and then it has been injested into the clinder) which has resulted in an incorrect amount of pressure within the cylinder so when the rocker tried to open the valve on No.2 it was unable to and instead it snapped.
This means that I am likely to find some more damage within the cylinders, either the pistons themselves or potentially some scorring on the bores, both are not exactly ideal.

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Snapped rocker on No. 2.

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Half of rocker No. 2.


With that playing on my mind as to how much other damage there is I decided to do the final ancilery removal and pull the PAS system out of the way.

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Clear block.


And that is how I left it today. I still need to disconnect the exhaust system, gearbox and/or prop shaft to allow removal of the engine later in the week. It has been an interesting day finding out more and more about the car and piecing together it's history and it's untimely engine demise. It is looking like I'm just going to source a replacement engine rather than rebuild this one after today's discoveries but I shall fully strip down this one to find out exactly how/what happened to it.
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Thu May 10, 2012 10:59 pm

Fair play for getting stuck in, Loads of work to keep you busy.
If you need some struts for the seats, I have good ones here, also, your front lights don't match, one's a bulleye, and the others a smilie. :cool:
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Thu May 10, 2012 11:05 pm

Yeah, the OSF wing and light are not stock, at some point in it's life it has taken a minor knock to the wing/light but no structural damage is visible from what I've hauled off the car. I'll be changing both to smilies I think, prefer the look.

For the most part it is a straight and sound car, which shocked me given it is an E30 AND a cab.


Yup, mountains of work/bills for me in the coming months. It's all good though. I've assisted in restoring a couple of cars, rebuilt a Pug 205 engine and done all sorts of work on the two E36s I had. No stranger to most of the stuff I need to do and for the rest, I shall learn.
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Thu May 10, 2012 11:33 pm

Excellent,
Please keep the updates coming,
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Thu May 10, 2012 11:40 pm

very enjoyable thread here....i like these build/resto posts.. very interesting..thank you for posting and keep up the good work :o :o :o :o
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Fri May 11, 2012 12:02 am

Cant wait to see the engine autopsy pics. 8)
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felt so proud,even tried it with a E30 325i and got put in my place.. :o:
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Fri May 11, 2012 1:23 am

At a guess,you will find that the head is cracked,most likely along the cam valley.

Seat struts are available s/h,no need to line the stealer's pocket!

Be worth trying the stealer,though,for seat bolster covers,you may,just, be suprised.

You do seem to have uncovered most of the typical E30 faults! :D
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Fri May 11, 2012 1:47 am

Looks like you have been busy... I have just undergone the same process on my 1989 cabby...took my 18 months working odd weekends... Keep it up mate. :D
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Fri May 11, 2012 8:42 am

Sounds like you're having fun. Great detailed thread :D
You should go read the engine swaps area so you can see what other have done and choose what suits you better :thumb:
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Fri May 11, 2012 8:56 am

Looks like the start of a great project :D

Must admit though, glossing up the leather seats when they won't be going back in the car for a few months seems a bit premature :D Get the angle grinder out instead and do something about the rust!

Should be a lovely car when done though.
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Fri May 11, 2012 9:54 am

Cheers all.

I'm trying to keep it as detailed as possible because I like reading these sorts of threads on forums and like there to be detail, which is often left out. I could have written this with a couple pics at the start / end of the day's work but that is boring and I want to document everything (also helps for remembering what goes where later. :P

daimlerman wrote:At a guess,you will find that the head is cracked,most likely along the cam valley.

Seat struts are available s/h,no need to line the stealer's pocket!

Be worth trying the stealer,though,for seat bolster covers,you may,just, be suprised.

You do seem to have uncovered most of the typical E30 faults! :D
I'm basically doing a post mortem (autopsy works too :P) on the engine and documenting it, just because I can. :D
My issue with second hand seat struts is that they are likely to not be in as good a condition as I'd like, although saying that, mine are shot so anything is better, plus, dealer prices are a joke. :P
I'll have to give my local dealers a call about the seat bolster, would be great if I can get a replacement cover for it (I'm sure I can find some foam to pad out the small amount that is missing). The rear bench rip has got me thinking though, it's in the wrong place to make a tidy patch that won't be obvious so I'm going to have to think of a way to fixing it without it looking like Frankenstein's monster. Having seen the cost of an interior on ebay in similar/slightly better condition I don't fancy replacing the whole lot!
Another common fault I've not documented yet (but will when I do an update on it) is the dash, there are the usual cracks in it so I'm thinking I'll wrap/flock it before I refit it.

suchy wrote:You should go read the engine swaps area so you can see what other have done and choose what suits you better :thumb:
I'm looking at the M50TUB25 as the most likely replacement in terms of amount of hassle, power, economy etc.
I used to love the noise and power delivery of the M52 in my E36 328i and whilst the M50 has less torque, it has similar power and noise. Currently though there appear to be naff all available as whole cars or engines (ideally I'd buy another car and strip what I need from it). But that isn't too big a problem, I've got plenty of time to source something and it has to wait until at least next month anyway really.

Grrrmachine wrote:Must admit though, glossing up the leather seats when they won't be going back in the car for a few months seems a bit premature :D Get the angle grinder out instead and do something about the rust!
After a fairly slow morning of wandering around Makro in Exeter I really couldn't be bothered with doing too much on the car itself on the Sunday. I'm aiming to get the engine out of the way and then I'll start tackling some body work issues. Trying to focus on one main thing at a time with the interior being a 'relaxing' thing to work on.
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Fri May 11, 2012 11:51 am

Undamaged s/h dash should be about £50ish,the cabbie one's are slightly different in that there's a bit cut away to clear a stiffening bar behind the dash.
I've not,yet,needed to have the dash out of my cabbie to see exactly what is involved in swapping in an ex saloon dash,but I am given to believe that it's nothing more than carving a bit out of the back.Cheaper than flocking,without the clearance issues that flocking will bring where switchgear and panels fit into the dash.

M50 is a great choice,I have one in my touring,a modified exhaust manifold is the only real problem with the instalation,have a look in the engine swaps section,as this is well documented there.
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Fri May 11, 2012 1:34 pm

Some parts from the stealers are getting very dear, but where possible I have tried to use new parts(mechanical) on the engine and drive train etc as I plan to keep my cabby forever. If you need any parts for your cabby I can recommend adit he is a well regarded trader on the zone and is breaking a number of cabs..best of luck with your project.
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Fri May 11, 2012 3:06 pm

As Malcolm says, the head will most likely be cracked to buggery. Good M50 2.5's are getting hard to find now and fitting one is not that easy.Plus I've never thought it to be worth the bother - really you need a 2.8 to give enough of a difference. Your engine needs a rebuild anyway, and for the cost of a 2.8 M52 crankshaft and six 320i rods (£150 the lot) you can build a 2.8 litre M20 which will have a lot of torque and around 190 bhp plus it will look standard and fit properly. I would probably bin your engine though - you could get a good used head with a good camshaft for £150 but a whole engine won't be vastly more and you'll pay £300 for something really nice.
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Massive problem I have with the M52 is the fact that they are very prone to failure due to having alu block/head. If it cooks itself, you need a new engine a lot of the time. I want to be able to run a decent, reliable block in the car.

As I've not run this car yet (trailered to my place, pushed it into the garage), power difference is of no real problem (especially as my daily is a 140bhp FWD Mondeo :P). I also don't see how a 2.8 M20 / M52 is going to give more of a difference than a 2.5 M50, considering they both produce nigh on the same power (although the 2.8 has greater torque).

It is easier to source an M52 2.8 block certainly, even as a whole car (can get an E36 328i Touring for fairly cheap as they are unloved compared to 'loon and coupe) which would provide most of what is needed. But as I say, with Nikasil, and blocks damaging fairly easily (head bolts being known to snap/thread the bolt holes, overheating etc.) and having been burnt by one before that lasted about 4months I'd rather against the 2.8 in M52 form.
Fitting is pretty much the same as M50 as well, so I'm not sure what the argument for the 2.8 is there?

From current scouting about on ebay and the likes, a replacement M20 would set me back ~£200 which is obviously cost & hassle-wise the best option.

I'm still looking in to what engine I want in the car and I don't mean to sound like an arse with the above text. There are loads of variables to weigh up with regards to engines with this car and for me it isn't a case of all out power anything like that.
As I say though, time is on my side for this and I plan to research and work out the best engine for my needs (granted a replacement M20 would likely fit the bill).
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Fri May 11, 2012 4:42 pm

What I suggested was fitting the crankshaft from a 2.8 into a 325i M20 engine. With 320i rods to get the piston height correct, you end up with a very torquey engine that's got a lot more low down grunt than an M50 and is reliable.
The M50 2.5 is okay, but it doesn't give enough of a power/torque boost to justify all the aggro fitting it. It's also bloody heavy and most of them have done a lot of miles.
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Fri May 11, 2012 5:29 pm

Andyboy wrote:What I suggested was fitting the crankshaft from a 2.8 into a 325i M20 engine. With 320i rods to get the piston height correct, you end up with a very torquey engine that's got a lot more low down grunt than an M50 and is reliable.
The M50 2.5 is okay, but it doesn't give enough of a power/torque boost to justify all the aggro fitting it. It's also bloody heavy and most of them have done a lot of miles.
That's the route I'd take. You end up with an engine that looks stock, but with much nicer power and good reliability.

Awesome thread btw, well written and easy to follow for us less knowledgeable folk :) Only trouble is, we now expect regular updates! :P
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Fri May 11, 2012 5:33 pm

i suggest running down halfords for a gallon of turd polish and see how you go from there.

good luck and keep interested in it
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Andyboy wrote:What I suggested was fitting the crankshaft from a 2.8 into a 325i M20 engine. With 320i rods to get the piston height correct, you end up with a very torquey engine that's got a lot more low down grunt than an M50 and is reliable.
The M50 2.5 is okay, but it doesn't give enough of a power/torque boost to justify all the aggro fitting it. It's also bloody heavy and most of them have done a lot of miles.
Ah ok, sorry, I didn't fully grasp what you meant. I thought you meant partly the above, or sourcing an M52. That actually sounds like a much better option (I don't mind about it looking stock though), I shall research this option along with others. :)

bimmaman wrote:That's the route I'd take. You end up with an engine that looks stock, but with much nicer power and good reliability.

Awesome thread btw, well written and easy to follow for us less knowledgeable folk :) Only trouble is, we now expect regular updates! :P
It is a route I shall have to investigate more. :)
I'm aiming to do updates most weekends although obviously it depends on when I can work on the car. I was lucky that I could get it in time for the bank hol weekend really as that allowed me to pile the hours in.

manse73 wrote:i suggest running down halfords for a gallon of turd polish and see how you go from there.
It's ok, I already have an abundance of that, along with a flame suit. ;)
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Fri May 11, 2012 9:31 pm

Looks like fun, that engine is truely goosed :eek:
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Fri May 11, 2012 10:46 pm

Joe is really helpful, and local to you...

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Sat May 12, 2012 12:32 am

good work mate, and plenty of it!

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Sat May 12, 2012 12:43 am

Several 2.8 M20 threads buried in the archive,search for goosigander and stonies's build threads.

One or two have built hybred M50 iron blocked M52's as well...
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Sat May 12, 2012 10:03 am

Ace thread..! Really good read. Where did you get to in the end?
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Sat May 12, 2012 10:03 pm

Day Four - 12/05/2012

Today is engine out day!

Engine crane came back yesterday and so today I cracked on with getting the M20 out. Before I could haul it out I needed to disconnect a couple of last bits, no big deal really. Exhaust needed disconnecting as did the prop shaft and obviously engine and gearbox mounts, also not forgetting the gear knob and gator.

I decided to do the exhaust first as, well, why not really, so space was required under the car (I'm a small bloke, but not small enough to just crawl under it without it on stands.

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Nose air.

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Mostly tidy.


I fired some spray grease (couldn't find the penetrating fluid, does basically the same anyway) onto the downpipe / manifold nuts to aid in releasing them as I didn't reallt fancy snapping or rounding any of them. As the car was garaged a lot of it's life the nuts were actually very good only minor surface rust. I've delt with newer cars that were much worse and resulted in much swearing, not today. :)

No photos of the downpipe undone but once I disconncted that I then dropped the exhaust at the gearbox, start at one end, work to the other.

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Exhaust & gearbox.


Finally for the exhaust it was the rear box. I dislike the mounting system for this, not for any real reason other than I couldn't just unhook the mounts, I had to remove the straps on the box itself, drop it to the floor then I could unhook the mounts. Annoying and took me a while to work this out but it did the job. I also couldn't be bothered to jack the rear end in hindsight it may have been easier to bring it up remove the wheel and unhook the mounts from there.

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Backbox dropped.

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Full exhaust system off.

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Getting some fresh air.


With that out of the way I then removed the gear knob and gaitor before I forgot about them, again, no pics I'm sure you can work out what went on there. ;)

I then disconnected the prop shaft from the gearbox. To do this I needed to bring the rear end into the air because there are 3 bolts securing the prop onto the gearbox and you need to rotate the prop to get access, which obviously means the rear wheels need to turn. Having done this before on the E36 328i I knew that it wouldn't be a difficult task, I did however forget that space/access is a pain. On the E30 325i the securing three bolts are 17mm on the bolt head and nut. There are also three other 17mm nuts but these secure the donut to the prop and do not need removing, you also can't see the bolt heads on these because they are cast into the donut. To undo the nuts/bolts you need two 17mm open ended spanners and a fair bit of strength. One spanner needs to be slid up to the nut between the gearbox and gearbox mount, the other wants to be on the prop side of the mount. Once they are securely located on the bolt (and nut) you can then push them in opposite directions to crack them off. Once you've cracked off one nut, rotate the prop and then you can do the next one. I'd advise cracking them all off before you fully undo any of them, it makes things simpler if anything shifts about. Once undone the nuts will lilely drop out but the bolts won't, you'll need to pull them out from the donut.
All done, prop is disconnected (well, as far as is possible with the engine and gearbox still mounted).

The reason I've just explained how to remove the prop? None especially but I forgot to take pictures of the area/process so figured I'd treat you all to a big wordy section instead.

I also took the opportunity of being under the gearbox to remove the nuts on the rummber mounts, but not the main mount bolts, this was to free up the gearbox for my next step (and to hopefully avoid having to remove the gearbox mounting frame.

I got the crane out and attached it to the engine, disconnected the engine mounts, main nuts onto the subframe followed by the mounting arm bolts on the block. This was a very silly idea. I had attached the crane, brought it up a bit to avoid the engine dropping onto the subframe or steering rack and ended up bending the front crane mount on the engine. I then had to carefully lower it back down onto the subframe and attach the levelling bar because it is spaced correctly for engines (well, a lot better than an A shaped pull) and allows for adjusting which end is higher which the E30 needs.

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Correctly attached crane.

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Engine starting to move.


Due to the design of the E30 you can't just hoist the engine a little and then pull it out, unlike the E36.

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E36 front end.


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E30 front end.


This means you need to hoist the engine at an angle so that the front of the engine is massivly higher than the gearbox. Once I'd securely attached the crane and raised it a little, I pulled the engine and gearbox forwards but couldn't go to far as the gearbox was hitting the gearbox mount frame. So I removed the gearbox mount frame (I'd also dropped the car back onto it's wheels prior to this so access to the frame was...interesting). Once I'd removed that the gearbox was able to drop down freely (did so whilst I was removing the frame, but as I'd raised the engine and gearbox I was unable to crush my hands, which was nice.

I was then able to raise the engine hight more and being properly pulling it out of the engine bay. I needed to do a fair amount of adjusting on the leveller to get the right angle though.

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Engine getting free.


I found out that due to the garage door, I was unable to raise the crane to the full height that I wanted to get the engine to clear the chassis. This wasn't the most helpful of discoveries mid removal of the engine. I managed to move the engine about though and use the leveller to overcome the lack of ceiling height.

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Further out.

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High angle.

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Sump clear.

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Little close!

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Free!


Right, well, that was the engine up and level, getting it out of the engine bay and onto the floor without damaging the car was another task altogether! Due to the amount of space I had above the crane and due to the design of the crane I had a huge amount of fun (not fun!) manouvering the crane and engine about until it was free and clear of the car. In an much longer garage I'd have been able to just walk backwards from the car with the engine, but I didn't have the space. Still, did it without damaging anything.

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And relax!

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Empty!

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Gunky mounts!


It was a bit grim around the gearbox mounting area, I'm thinking some oil has gone down there over time, hopefully not from the gearbox as I'm thinking I'll be using it again. It is looking like the gunk was spread there from the engine though as on the driver side of the subframe it looks like this:

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Grimey frame.


But on the passenger side it looks like this:

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Clean frame.


Which does suggest that oil leaked out at some stage in the the engine's life. Also noticed that the engine had been reaching some high temps (or just the car's general age showing) as the sound deadening/fire proofing just before the gearbox/prop tunnel is falling away.

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Gear tunnel.


Next thing to do was to split the engine & gearbox because the 'box should be fine even though the engine isn't. Simple case of 14T and 12T bolts on the bell housing then grab, wiggle, pull and they come apart.

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Split engine & 'box.

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Gearbox & clutch.


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Got stilts?!

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Engine & Clutch.

Gearbox is now in the storage area with the rest of the parts I've removed as I'm likely to use that again or sell it on.

Time for the head to come off. Popped the rocker cover off, undid the head bolts, started to pull the head off the block and burst out laughing and nearly dropped the head, you'll see why in a bit.

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Head. Valves on No.4, No.5 & No.6.

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Head. Valves on No.3, No.4, No.5 & No.6.

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Head. Valves on No.1, No.2, No.3 & No.4.

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Head. Valves on No.1 & No.2.


Ok, it doesn't take a genius to work out that No.2 isn't right (especially combined with the fact it was the rocker on No.2 that snapped, but this isn't what made me laugh.

Here is what made me laugh.

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Block.


Ok you can't fully see what is wrong here really, have some close up shots.

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Block. No.6, No.5 & No.4.

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Block. No.5, No.4, No.3 & No.2.


Ok, No.2 doens't look right...

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Block. No.2 & No.1.


Holey (see the pun) hell that is not right. This is what made me laugh, the amount of damage done to No.2, this engine is toast. :D

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Block. No.4, No.3, No.2 & No.1.

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Block. No.3, No.2 & No.1.

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Block. No.3 & No.2.



And that is basically all that I've done today. not much I know. Still, I did it all single handed, usually I have someone about to help with engine removals but not today, did it all on my own.

The engine is certainly toast and I will not be putting it back into the car. Rebuilding it would cost more than buying a known good/decent engine. This now fully gives me freedom to research engine options. Before I was partly thinking about options but mostly thinking of rebuilding it as it may have been a small problem, it isn't and so won't be used. I'll probably strip down the engine fully though to see if there is more damage and any salvegable parts.
I'm swaying towards just getting another M20 and sticking it in as the amount of hassle involved is next to none and would have the car running again very quickly. I also then have loads of spares should I need to do anything on the replacement or should anything be missing.
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Sat May 12, 2012 10:04 pm

adit wrote:good work mate, and plenty of it!

welcome to the zone
Cheers. :)
daimlerman wrote:Several 2.8 M20 threads buried in the archive,search for goosigander and stonies's build threads.

One or two have built hybred M50 iron blocked M52's as well...
I shall have to hunt down those threads and read them lots. :D
mcbonio wrote:Ace thread..! Really good read. Where did you get to in the end?
Just updated fella. ;)

I'll be working on the car most weekends so will update when I do work on it, usually the same evening as when I've done work.
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Sat May 12, 2012 11:10 pm

Top work mate
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Sat May 12, 2012 11:52 pm

whats the head gasket look like?
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I find it easier to have the rear of the car raised up,drive-on ramps with a lump of 4+2 under the back is about right!

Makes the 'dangle angle' easier to deal with.
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Thu May 31, 2012 8:21 pm

Day Five - 31/05/2012

Ok so I've been a bit lax with updates...and with working on the car if I'm honest. The main reason for this is because I found out that there was a 325i locally going cheap. This meant I have spent the last couple of weeks getting my second E30 and sorting out some problems on it and ensuring that I removed a few choice parts I needed for the cab.

The engine on the new one runs brilliantly as can bea heard in the below video:
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The issue with the car is that the rear drive gear was in the boot and not attached to the underside, as I was after the engine and some other parts this really didn't phase me in the slightest. I have spent the last couple of weekends sorting out all the parts/bolts etc. and worked on getting the beam, hubs and wheels back on.
I found out that one of the bolts I needed was missing a nut and also that a rear spring was missing. The spring didn't bother me as I figured I could work something out for that, the nut though was for the rear beam mounting bolt and without it meant I couldn't do much at all. Instead of finding a replacement nut I ended up going to my local building suppliers and found a bolt of approximately the right length and some nuts and washers. If the car was going back on the road I would NOT be bodging it back together, but as I only need the car to be rolling it doesn't matter so long as it is held somehow for the moment.

I got back from work tonight and fitted my shiney new bolt and tested the strength of it...it seemed fairly stable so I reattached the wishbones, with hubs still on...one has a half shaft still attached because it is rusted in place by the nut and the air powered impact gun wouldn't shift it.

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Driver's side hub & beam on.

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Driver's side beam bolt.

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Passenger side hub & beam on.

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Passenger side beam replacement bolt/bodge.


Put the wheels back on (no discs on the hubs and handbrake lines are cut anyway) and began to lower it.

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Driver's side wheel on.

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Passenger side wheel on.


Remember I said I only had one spring...well...without a spring it makes the car look kind of cool and slammed...but this isn't much use when I need to be able to move the car about.

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Driver's side.

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Passenger side.

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Stance y0!

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SLAMMED!


I rummaged in the garage, couldn't find anything useful, rummaged in the storage and found a bin of tubular steel...

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Driver's spring.

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Passenger..."spring".


I fitted my new...spring...and the car is not sat at pretty much the correct height on both sides.

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Driver's side sitting well.

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Passenger side sitting well.


I now need to turn the car around and haul he engine out, wheel it down the hill into the garage and put it into the cab. Those will be jobs for the bank holiday weekend I think. I also need to do loads of work on other parts of the cab and want to clean the engine bay before I drop the replacement engine in.
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Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:28 am

Great write up/documentation! really enjoyed reading this! keep up the good work :D
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Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:18 pm

Days Six, Seven & Eight - 04/06/2012 - 06/06/2012

Interior!

After getting the wheels back on the touring I decided I should go back to removing the interior of the cab to check the heater core for mayo and under the carpet for rust. I also decided that the instrument cluster needed to come out (due to blown bulbs) and that the whole dash could potentially do with coming out due to cracks.

First up I needed a coaster for my cup of tea, so I mocked one up:

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M20B25 coffee table / coaster.


After that genius idea and being fuled with tea I cracked on and started to remove the passenger side door card because the window refused to go down on electric and I didn't want to wipe it out when removing the dash. I then struggled loads with removing the window regulator due to it being in the 'up' position but I got it out and it appears that it gets stuck on the final tooth it you're not careful. Lubed it up with some spray grease and it ran much better but still gets stuck on the final tooth every now and then. I'll have to test it once refitted to see if it happens insitu as it is hard to tell with it in my hands flexing about.

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Empty door.

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Window regulator.


I then decided to remove, well, the entire dash. To do this I methodically removed random parts. Steering wheel, under dash covers, centre console, glove box. All of these are held on via various small nuts and bolts and come off really easily so there are no pictures of those coming out.
Once I'd stripped everything I needed from the dash I then wondered how to get the damn thing out, wiggled it about a few times, didn't get anywhere. Checked online...not a simple task, you need to unhook it from the A pilars and from the centre of the windscreen area. Centre area and passenger side were nice and easy but due to the steering column being a big ol' bulky thing it was hard to unhook it on that side. I managed to get it out though with much frustration and was left with this.

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Dashlesss dash area.

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Many, many wires.

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Heater vents.

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Passneger side wiring.

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Driver side wiring.


Next up for removal was the heater core as I wanted to check for mayo. This is not a fun removal on this car! I read a couple of guides on removing it they even had pictures, I then stuck my head under the wiring to look at my heater core...different. From doing some research it appears that the AC and non-AC cars have different heater cores with the former having a well thought out design that can be removed easily and the latter having a poor design that is a pain to remove. I have no AC.

Eventually I managed to get the feed and return pipes off, this involved removing the brake servo-pedal connection behind the glove box area, undoing some easy 8mm bolts on one pipe from there and then going into the enginebay to undo the other set of bolts on a pipe (long extension bar through the rubber seal in the bulkhead and onto the bolt head).

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Heater core fouling on brake servo connection.


That brake servo bar proved to be a complete and utter ball ache but I got the heater core out in the end and flushed it through, some dirty water came out but no mayo thankfully.

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Heater core side.

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Heater core feed & return.


I then refitted the heater core once it was clean and dry, no point leaving it out of the car and having to worry about it at a later date really.

Carpet was then the next thing to be tackled. This is probably the most annoying thing I've removed so far in all honesty, but I did it. First I removed the trim that runs the length of the doors and pins the carpet in place, these are held on by some plastic push pegs, nice and simple. Then I pulled up the carpet at the driver and passenger rear foot wells to check the car's floor.

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Passenger rear footwell.

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Passenger sound proofing - damp.

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Driver rear footwell.

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Driver sound proofing - dry.


The sound proofing being damp on the passenger side worried me somewhat but the floor appears to be sound (bar the couple of specs of rust you can see in the pic). Over all this seemed good though so next I needed to remove the carpet itself. I had to remove a reinforcing bar from around the steering wheel as well as the throttle pedal from it's base. With these out some (read: loads) of wiggling each side about and tugging on it gave me some slight movement and progress from the front end. At this point I remembered that there are a few cables running through the hand brake hole from the rear of the car. These are the arial wire, speaker cables and *something*.
I disconnected the speaker wires and put that cable with the mess at the dash. I then pulled the arial wire through and put that in the rear bench area. Now for the *something* wire...I went into the boot, found the wire, found the end of it and it was a plug that appears to not have been used, ripped the plug off, pulled the wire back through the car and looked at the dash end of the wire. It appears to have been used for something like a sub due to the way it's been badly spliced into the stereo wiring.
With all the wires out of the way I was then able to pull the carpet out from under the heater box (no easy feat, most people cut the thing!) and throw it free from the car. What aided in the removing of the carpet was the fact I have no roof on the car (folded away at the moment) so could stand in it and pull it about.

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Carpet out!

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Passenger side footwell.

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Driver side footwell.

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Prop tunnel to dash mess.


The red and white cable in the above pictures is the one I believe to have been used for a sub or something in the boot, not very high grade so I'm unsure and the plug on the end made it seem like it should have been on something. But the plug was knackered and I'd not unplugged it from anything so I don't care for this wire.

As you've also spotted in the above pics, there is some rust on the driver side foot well. This is the connection for the base of the throttle pedal, it appears to be totally eaten by rust so I'm a bit worried as to how far it spreads under the thin sound proofing stuff (I'll have to pull that up soon).

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Driver side rust.

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Throttle connection rust.

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Carpet underside.

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Carpet top.


The carpet itself appears to be in a decent condition although the padding/sound proofing stuff appears to be a little damp on the passenger side rear foot well area but fine on the driver side. It is currently in the house to dry off and when I can I'll wet vac the whole thing (top side) and store it out of the way somewhere until I want to put it back in. I *may* dye it although I'm unsure on this, black carpet + black sport leather should look better than blue carpet with black sport leather is my thinking.


That pretty much wraps up the bank holiday weekend update from me. I'd have done more to the car but, well, long weekend...had to enjoy it too. ;)
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Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:31 pm

superb thread, your getting stuck in nicely...love the tiger slippers btw.. :D
E30 320i Convertible (1989)
190 Mercedes (1988)

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