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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:23 pm

Hi guys, recently bought a 325i Sport 1987 2door that has an irritating little proble, it cuts out at 5k rpm all the time, regardless of throttle position, in gear or neutral. It feels like a very electronic cut and not a misfire or hesitation. Until that point is pulls well.

Is there any obvious area to inspect first, a sensor, ECU etc. It has a K&N air filter on it and a scoprion exhaust., but surely this doesn't mean anything to the performance does it?

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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:38 pm

I would look at the rotor and dizzy cap.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:40 pm

kam-325i wrote:I would look at the rotor and dizzy cap.
Have renewed both, without the spring as well.

Would the ECU do this if it was getting a bad signal from somewhere?
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:18 pm

It Might, But i think it would cause a problem all the way thru the rev range.
The ECU Gets signals from two place's regarding revs, The Sensor on the front pulley and from the pick up on spark plug lead one.

It might be worth looking at the front sensor, check for any crap on it or a poor fitting.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:44 pm

kam-325i wrote:It Might, But i think it would cause a problem all the way thru the rev range.
The ECU Gets signals from two place's regarding revs, The Sensor on the front pulley and from the pick up on spark plug lead one.

It might be worth looking at the front sensor, check for any crap on it or a poor fitting.
Will do many thanks.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:45 pm

if the sensors are not working the car wont start.

a problem i happen to have :x !
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:49 pm

appears to be 2 sensors on near side of engine near bellhousing. what do they do?
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:51 pm

Hawkenr wrote:appears to be 2 sensors on near side of engine near bellhousing. what do they do?
earlier cars had the sensors on the gearbox. it was later moved to the front pully.

Personaly i think its Air or Fuel related. Or fault in ecu
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:53 pm

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Hawkenr wrote:appears to be 2 sensors on near side of engine near bellhousing. what do they do?
earlier cars had the sensors on the gearbox. it was later moved to the front pully.

Personaly i think its Air or Fuel related. Or fault in ecu
Missed the '87 bit !

aahhh, under fueling...... cloged fuel filtter ?
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:53 pm

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Hawkenr wrote:appears to be 2 sensors on near side of engine near bellhousing. what do they do?
earlier cars had the sensors on the gearbox. it was later moved to the front pully.

Personaly i think its Air or Fuel related. Or fault in ecu
What should we look for on the air fuel side as is a neat cut and not a stutter or anything?

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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:56 pm

Does it "Bounce" at the limit, ie hit 5000 then drop a bit, then back to 5000 and so on, like a normal rev limiter, or just stay at 5000 ?
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:57 pm

kam-325i wrote:Does it "Bounce" at the limit, ie hit 5000 then drop a bit, then back to 5000 and so on, like a normal rev limiter, or just stay at 5000 ?
Definitely bounces, just like a regular rev limiter.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:58 pm

do u have an eta?
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:59 pm

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Hawkenr wrote:appears to be 2 sensors on near side of engine near bellhousing. what do they do?
earlier cars had the sensors on the gearbox. it was later moved to the front pully.

Personaly i think its Air or Fuel related. Or fault in ecu
What should we look for on the air fuel side as is a neat cut and not a stutter or anything?

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I think you should try another ECU then see if the problem persists.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:00 pm

johnono wrote:do u have an eta?
That crossed my mind, someone fitted wrong ECU.
Was the limit on the ETA 5500 or 5700?
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:00 pm

johnono wrote:do u have an eta?
Sorry whaty is an eta?
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:04 pm

An ETA was BMW's economy version of the M20B25 engine, it was actually a 2.7, it had a lot more torque lower down the rev range, but had a low rev limit around the 5000 - 5500 mark.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:07 pm

kam-325i wrote:An ETA was BMW's economy version of the M20B25 engine, it was actually a 2.7, it had a lot more torque lower down the rev range, but had a low rev limit around the 5000 - 5500 mark.
V5 says 2494cc and thr red starts at 6500, so don't think we've got that one. Will try and find another ECU.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:13 pm

may well be an eta box.

do u have the bosch number on the ecu. we can tell u if its a regular or a eta ecu u have
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:15 pm

johnono wrote:may well be an eta box.

do u have the bosch number on the ecu. we can tell u if its a regular or a eta ecu u have
Will get it an report back. What should it be in an 87 Sport?
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:09 pm

dont ask me :lol: :oops: but an 87 may well be a jetronic
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:12 pm

johnono wrote:dont ask me :lol: :oops: but an 87 may well be a jetronic
Nah, my quattro turb has K-Jet, this has EFI.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:18 pm

:| ok then
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:28 pm

Ive got a spare 325i ECU, if you want to try it, I can stick it in the post to ya, if it makes no odds, then just post it back. If it does fix it then you can have it for Ԛ£20.

Let me know.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:32 pm

Steviec wrote:Ive got a spare 325i ECU, if you want to try it, I can stick it in the post to ya, if it makes no odds, then just post it back. If it does fix it then you can have it for Ԛ£20.

Let me know.
That would be great, but how do we know if it's the right one?
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:34 pm

johnono wrote:dont ask me :lol: :oops: but an 87 may well be a jetronic
if it was jettronic it would not have the two sensors on the gear box.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:35 pm

Well it came as a spare for my 325i, the last owner couldnt get the car running right so they changed the ECU which turned out not to be the problem, so they left it with the car.

Im not too technically minded but your welcome to give it a go if you want.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:37 pm

Steviec wrote:Well it came as a spare for my 325i, the last owner couldnt get the car running right so they changed the ECU which turned out not to be the problem, so they left it with the car.

Im not too technically minded but your welcome to give it a go if you want.
Brilliant. Can you please send to Richard Hawken, Steubing AG, 4th Floor, 86 Jermyn St, London, SW1Y 6JD.

Let me know postage cost etc.

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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:45 pm

Ill try to get it in the post tomorrow, dont worry about postage cost as ill send it through work.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:46 pm

Steviec wrote:Ill try to get it in the post tomorrow, dont worry about postage cost as ill send it through work.
Cool thanks. Really appreciate your help.
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Post Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:09 pm

on my '86 325 the last 3 numbers on the ecu are 073.
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Post Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:41 pm

The ECU has gone in the post today and is being sent special delivery, so should be with you tomorrow.
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Post Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:46 pm

Steviec wrote:The ECU has gone in the post today and is being sent special delivery, so should be with you tomorrow.
Thanks a million, very kind. Will let you know what happens.
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:33 am

Hawkenr wrote:
Steviec wrote:The ECU has gone in the post today and is being sent special delivery, so should be with you tomorrow.
Thanks a million, very kind. Will let you know what happens.
Has arrived, many thanks for that. Will test it over the weekend and let you know the result. :D