Eggenbeefburger Grp2 e21 BMW 320

[kipsy]

Do you know my brother kevo on here. I'm sure someone from e30 zone from jersey came over before

[Hoobs]

BTB2 or 3.

Proven 15bhp and 20+lbft gain alone!

Are they easy to source?

Yep, can be had brand new but not cheap.

The last group buy.

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... 43&start=0

Just called them and they want £1 100 plus VAT. Sod that for a lark. Too rich for me.

[ross_jsy]

Do you know my brother kevo on here. I'm sure someone from e30 zone from jersey came over before

I'm sure I have seen the screen name before.

Not many Jersey zoners though. Always trying to bolster numbers when ever I can!

[kipsy]

My windows will be arriving ready for some cutting action on the doors. Will weigh what I remove and poss put a few pictures up of what I've done. Hoping to save maybe 7-10 kg with doors and all windows. Any guesstimates?

[bss325i]

Just called them and they want £1 100 plus VAT. Sod that for a lark. Too rich for me.

When there is a group buy, the manifold is normally £650 inc VAT.

[kipsy]

It's lots for a manifold but apparently good power but would a cam make more for the money or an m52 could be fitted for not much more if willing to do some work. What happened to the days of buying a janspeed manifold etc for £150 etc. Must be getting old haha

[bss325i]

It's lots for a manifold but apparently good power but would a cam make more for the money or an m52 could be fitted for not much more if willing to do some work. What happened to the days of buying a janspeed manifold etc for £150 etc. Must be getting old haha

A cam alone on a standard M20B25 will not make the same power/torque as fitting a BTB manifold.

Fitting an M52 properly costs a lot more than £650! I know as i'm fitting one for a customer.

The days of Janspeed manifold on old escorts are long gone.

Interestingly, the E30 RHD Alpina 6 branch manifolds were made by Janspeed for Sytner who did the conversions on UK cars as the LHD one made by Boysen would not fit and Alpina left it to Sytner to sort out.

[kipsy]

I'm doing m52. Motor (full car)£250, m50 inlet £60, rad free, sump (favour from brother as he has one in stock) wiring danthe loom (£100 ish?) mod the ex manifolds free as own welder. My car has 325 exhaust system already fitted, clio servo £50? Plus the smaller parts such as fan, fan switch throttle body piping should come with in the budget? No labour charges obviously and using the e36 mounts from the car and my m20 flywheel. How much would you say to do the job in parts? I'm still collecting up the parts and maybe I've missed something? This is what I was thinking any way. My brakes, suspension not being takeninto consideration

[bss325i]

Parts used.

DanThe modded loom
DanThe Fan loom
DanThe modded exhaust mainfold
DanThe Steering link and PAS pips
EWS delete from DME
Pair of New E34 UJ's
E34 sump oil pick up etc
M50 Inlet
New genuine BMW rad
New E28 535i rubber monts
M42 Gearbox
New sump gasket, rocker cover gasket
New fan switch
New ex manifold gaskets and Nuts
New Inlet manifold gaskets
New oil filter, spark plugs drive belt
New flywheel and flywheel bolts
Clio servo

That lot is over £1400 then you need a donor car on top. Yes a lot of it is new genuine BMW but the car has to be reliable and i dont cut corners.

My customer bought a 328i Sport for £700 and will get more than half that back on parts not used so the engine and ancills will end up costing £200-300.

His base car is a 325i so exhaust and flywheel sorted.

All a lot more than a £650 manifold but the two are not comparable.

[kipsy]

I'll tot mine up during conversion to see. I've got e36 rack with no pas, e36 box, already got some of the stuff as taken off the donor car. Was discussing about fabricating engine mounts as alloy ones not strong enough for rallying and so that the standard 328 exhaust manifold will fit unmodified and also will the steering can stay standard. Someone on here from Brecon has done it as my bro seen it recently. Prob not going to get it done until the end of the year now though as got to finish championship with the 2.5 motor (unless it blows up)
As I said before though that the conversion could be fitted for not much more than the manifold (650 + vat) if willing to do some work well time will tell. Challenge for me!
I appreciate some people don't have much knowledge or tools or garage which is why a specialist like yourself is great for them.

[bss325i]

Also, the difference is the build im doing if for a road car which must look as factory as possible where as on a car used for competition, neatness and OEM look isn't a priority.

[Hoobs]

What six branch is second best to the BTB item?

[bss325i]

Racing Dynamics but you wont find one.

[redcar]

According to the Wiki, the racing dynamics one is better than the BTB one.

[Demlotcrew]

It's far better than the BTB!

[Hoobs]

Which is the best that's likely to be available, yet cost reasonable money?

[Demlotcrew]

Upside down 324td!

[bss325i]

According to the Wiki, the racing dynamics one is better than the BTB one.

Ignore the wiki, its wrong on that part and i have raised the issue.

It's far better than the BTB!

The RD is a 20+ year old design and its gains have never been proven properly BUT simon's touring makes standard C2 2.7 power with it fitted.

BTB on the other hand is a 5 year old design and has made proven significant gains on standard M20B25's without any other adjustments.

[bss325i]

Which is the best that's likely to be available, yet cost reasonable money?

There are none that make any worthwhile gains for cheap.

I consider £650 reasonable for circa 15bhp and 20lbft gains on an M20.

[rix313]

Which is the best that's likely to be available, yet cost reasonable money?

There are none that make any worthwhile gains for cheap.

I consider £650 reasonable for circa 15bhp and 20lbft gains on an M20.

It's only £650 if there are a group of other people involved though.

[bss325i]

It's only £650 if there are a group of other people involved though.

True although i bought mine for £650 outside of a group buy but that was 5 years ago.

Solution to the problem, start a group buy!

[Demlotcrew]

According to the Wiki, the racing dynamics one is better than the BTB one.

Ignore the wiki, its wrong on that part and i have raised the issue.

It's far better than the BTB!

The RD is a 20+ year old design and its gains have never been proven properly BUT simon's touring makes standard C2 2.7 power with it fitted.

BTB on the other hand is a 5 year old design and has made proven significant gains on standard M20B25's without any other adjustments.

Proven by you by any chance? Until you can prove the RD is worse in design and power output than the BTB (which is a malgamitated copy of the rd and alpina with no development at all) then the WiKi is correct.

[e30topless]

According to the Wiki, the racing dynamics one is better than the BTB one.

Ignore the wiki, its wrong on that part and i have raised the issue.

the RD is far better than the btb ! it's so exclusive that BTB couldn't find one to copy !!

[Demlotcrew]

Btb don't have the equipment required to copy! Best they can do is weld prebent sections like my mate in Cambridge in his shed!

[redcar]

Btb don't have the equipment required to copy! Best they can do is weld prebent sections like my mate in Cambridge in his shed!

This couldn't be copied with the pre mendrel bent sections could it?

[Demlotcrew]

Btb don't have the equipment required to copy! Best they can do is weld prebent sections like my mate in Cambridge in his shed!

This couldn't be copied with the pre mendrel bent sections could it?

Not from a few photographs it cant.

[redcar]

Demlotcrew, is the racing dynamics manifold a one piece (i.e. are each of the primaries one tube bent into shape) whereas the BTB one looks like each primary is many bits of pipe welded together.

[Demlotcrew]

Exactly redcar, RD uses one piece primaries. BTB's development extends as far as souring manifolds to copy, be it from actual pieces or from photos. IF you need confirmation just give Sal a call at Evolve

[redcar]

Exactly redcar, RD uses one piece primaries. BTB's development extends as far as souring manifolds to copy, be it from actual pieces or from photos. IF you need confirmation just give Sal a call at Evolve

[Theo]

I have this rather tasty 6 branch for sale:



Like the RD manifold it's made from single bends with no nasty butt welds a la BTB.

[Demlotcrew]

That looks very decent! Get it Mark!

[kipsy]

How much for the manifold? What is it? Looking for one for reasonable money until the end of year

[redcar]

That looks nice Theo, what one is it?

[Theo]

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... t=brospeed

More info in the above link, albeit not very much.

[bss325i]

According to the Wiki, the racing dynamics one is better than the BTB one.

Ignore the wiki, its wrong on that part and i have raised the issue.

It's far better than the BTB!

The RD is a 20+ year old design and its gains have never been proven properly BUT simon's touring makes standard C2 2.7 power with it fitted.

BTB on the other hand is a 5 year old design and has made proven significant gains on standard M20B25's without any other adjustments.

Proven by you by any chance? Until you can prove the RD is worse in design and power output than the BTB (which is a malgamitated copy of the rd and alpina with no development at all) then the WiKi is correct.

Proven by me on two different dynos on the same day!

Other people have proven the gains as well!

SO, as it's PROVEN unlike the RD it's better!

To say something thats unproven (the RD) is better than something that is proven (the BTB) is retarded.

The BTB may have taken some influence from the RD but it is no clone and is nothing like a RHD alpina manifold.

You've only got a boner over the RD because you found it in west Drayton scrap yard.

Come back to the discussion when you can prove the gains of the RD.