Nurburgring

[Rallyprep_UK]

Hello all.

I am wondering what others are using suspension setting/tire pressure wise for a "fast road/track day" setup.

I am running;

E36 M3 Evo (Apex) front coilovers
E36 M3 Evo wishbones with powerflex offset bushes
RPM E30 Topmounts
M3 Roll bars
E36 M3 Evo (Apex) rear springs
Rear beam modified for camber/toe adjustment and Powerflex bushes
Stiffer rear shocks, e46 rear top mounts and Z3 plates
Yokohama parada spec 2 tyres (215/40/17 all round), nitrogen filled.

I have just built the car and need to take it for alignment. What are your suggestions ? Its being driven to the Nurburgring on the last day of this month for a long weekend.

Also if any fellow Zoners want to come along that would be great. A friend is also taking his E30 M3.

Thanks

Will
Cornwall

[Demlotcrew]

You've got a lot of nice modifications, however parada's are going to be your weak point, they are not a very good tyre.

Did you get the car setup? What did you go for in the end?

Andrew

[Rallyprep_UK]

They are not my first choice of tyre but the ones I wanted (kumho v70a or r888) are well over twice the price and my funds are running out. I got them for £317 delivered (new), which I thought was a good price.

The car has not been set up yet I am just finishing the work for it's mot tonight with some friends and it will go for setup mid week after it's mot.

I'm told max castor at the front but am unsure of the camber and toe all around. Time is running out and I need to get a good starting point so I an drive it for a few weeks and make adjustments before getting to the ring obviously.

Then I have to get saving for some decent tyres when I am back lol.

Will

[Demlotcrew]

I can only tell you what i run.

Front toe is: 0.5deg
Front Camber is: -2.5deg
Castor is: -15deg

Rear toe is: -1.25deg
Rear Camber is: -1.45deg

^ Thats based on my ride height which you may or may not be able to achieve with a 17" wheel as the tyre diameter is quite large.

Hope that helps.

Andrew

[DasChin]

chuck the pradas in the bin. they are useless

tyres should be where you spend the money. only contact point you have with the road!! vital if you are tracking a car.

[furbster]

Have you driven the ring before?

[Rallyprep_UK]

I had done before posting this, yes. I am going again in March. Its a seriously expensive addiction lol...

[furbster]

Tell me about it!!

I've been about 15 times in the past 3 years.

Try a track day out there, its about £450 but if you split it between yourself and a mate it's really reasonable.

The best thing about it is theres hardly any traffic or muppets crashing every 5 mins.
They put marshalls all around the circuit and if there is an "incident" they don't close the track they just marshall around it.

Last time I did a track day they had the GP circuit open as well and I think I managed about 5 laps without seeing another vehicle!!!!

[Screacher]

I'm doing a 2-day trackday there on 20/21 March. It's the VLN circuit, so includes part of the GP track (misses out the far end but still too much for me as I prefer the Nordschleife. However it has the advantage of being able to use the pits which if the weather is sh!tty, will be a big bonus. You can share 6-8 cars in a garage if some are out on track so not a lot more on top.

[Demlotcrew]

See you there!

[Simon13]

i wish

[Kos]

See you there!

shotgun ?

[Demlotcrew]

Get down to 80kg and i might think about it

[Kos]

Get down to 80kg and i might think about it

i'll go take a dump, that'll do it !

[Rallyprep_UK]

Get down to 80kg and i might think about it

i'll go take a dump, that'll do it !

LOL !!

[Screacher]

See you there!

Did you bale out Andrew? I didn't see you there? If you did, you missed an awesome two days. Fabulous weather and generally pretty clear laps. Quite like the photo below showing both of those aspects - plus me in the old girl:



Next one is in October

[Demlotcrew]

I bailed out, me and Karan couldnt get our cars ready in time, Im aiming for October for sure.

Seen you at Rockingham last Satruday, lots of drifts

Glad the two days were perfect

[DasChin]

Gentle reminder of the dangers of the ring.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... ryId=25392

what happens when you have more money than talent!

doran Jnr is nowehere near the Skillz of his old man!

[Motorhole]

Hello all.

I am running;

E36 M3 Evo (Apex) front coilovers
E36 M3 Evo wishbones with powerflex offset bushes
RPM E30 Topmounts
M3 Roll bars
E36 M3 Evo (Apex) rear springs
Rear beam modified for camber/toe adjustment and Powerflex bushes
Stiffer rear shocks, e46 rear top mounts and Z3 plates

I'm building a very similar setup. Just wondering - are the ARBs E30 M3 items? Do they fit nicely to the E30 subframe and the ARB mounts on the E36 struts?

Cheers!

[Demlotcrew]

Not that perfect then Nick ;)

Andrew

[UweM3]

Gentle reminder of the dangers of the ring.

cough cough, that happened on the GP track......

[DasChin]

and? even more reason that it should not have happened!

loads of run off and hugely wide track. yet still it went vastly wrong

[Rallyprep_UK]

Hello all.

I am running;

E36 M3 Evo (Apex) front coilovers
E36 M3 Evo wishbones with powerflex offset bushes
RPM E30 Topmounts
M3 Roll bars
E36 M3 Evo (Apex) rear springs
Rear beam modified for camber/toe adjustment and Powerflex bushes
Stiffer rear shocks, e46 rear top mounts and Z3 plates

I'm building a very similar setup. Just wondering - are the ARBs E30 M3 items? Do they fit nicely to the E30 subframe and the ARB mounts on the E36 struts?

Cheers!

Yes thats exactly it !

E30 M3 roll bars, E36 M3 arb links to the struts. The fit is the same as non M3 E30 items.

I would advise taking it somewhere motorsport orientated to get the alignment/setup done though. I thought I had this covered but the numpty set it to OEM E30 316i spec.

It drove very nicely on the road but I felt it needed more front camber for the track which was confirmed by a well known/experienced driver at the ring.

The tyres were crap and I had a fuelling problem (nearly ran out !). but I still had an awesome time, just a shame that everybody was crashing and the track was closed a LOT !

Here is a fairly relaxed lap. You can hear it holding back quite a few times (coming up to the karrussell in particular).



But considering I got the car together and on the road pretty much the day we left it did us really proud. Now I know where to improve the car next and have already started.

[Rallyprep_UK]

Once the car is done I will not be doing another TF day.

Its track days all the way now for me, There were a lot of crashes and down time...

The destination nurburgring days look appealing !

Will

[Motorhole]

Thanks for that mate. Can't wait to drive it, but it's financially still a bit off yet...

[Screacher]

Once the car is done I will not be doing another TF day.

Its track days all the way now for me, There were a lot of crashes and down time...

The destination nurburgring days look appealing !

Will

Having just returned from DN5 (well, almost - 1hr until we dock at Newcastle) I would endorse that. TF is OK on midweek evenings, but can be chaotic at weekends. And ten there is the insurance issue. Many folks think that their only worry is the potntial loss of their own car. That's the least to worry about. TF is mixed car & bike, and they don't come together well. Also, any fluids you may drop can have a catastrophic affect on anything following, and I certainly can't afford the consequential damages should a Porsche or CSL bin it on my oil, or Heaven forbid, the driver/rider gets seriously injured.

I've now done 4 of the 5 DN events and everyone has been awesome. Off there again in October. Time to start saving (again).

[dodgydoughnut]

i done dn4, was fantastic, didnt go to dn5 as not really want to included gp track.all booked up for dn6.cant wait,anyone else booked it yet?

[DasChin]

looking into it. combine with Spa too.

[Demlotcrew]

If i ever have my car finished!

[Rallyprep_UK]

If i ever have my car finished!

me too !!

[dodgydoughnut]

looking into it. combine with Spa too.

i tried that year before last. bind it at baby karousel on monday 2 lap so missed the day there and spa day after.
mental note to self.dont combine when paid upfront...cost me loads

[Driftben]

if Octobers Nuremberg run is still on then count me in, ill have my E30 ready by then so we can see what the V8 can pull round there