Just stance

[VW-will]

Ahh here comes the banter, lmao!. My 1st car was a mk2 golf on coil overs low isn't the word.... Subframe worn through? Yes please... I don't do things by halfs.... If I do something I do it properly like suspension before I lowered my e30 I knew the bush's were gona take a beating so replaced every bush in the car, all new arms.. Wheelbearings you name it... It's not just about the car being low for me it has to drive nice, I wouldn't feel safe otherwise lmao, I have a astra van that's a death trap as it is.... As for being morons, person who said that probably has a zimmerframe and no life.

[ross_jsy]

I'm 20 with what I can guarantee is a far better car than your welded diff shed and far from OEM. Just because I can spell laugh unlike you and your "speshul" friend doesn't make me old; just educated.

[VW-will]

Your 20, bloody hell must have been on here to long and the vultures have got you sucked intonthere ways.

[Tom_Maverick]

Ahh here comes the banter, lmao!. My 1st car was a mk2 golf on coil overs low isn't the word.... Subframe worn through? Yes please... I don't do things by halfs.... If I do something I do it properly like suspension before I lowered my e30 I knew the bush's were gona take a beating so replaced every bush in the car, all new arms.. Wheelbearings you name it... It's not just about the car being low for me it has to drive nice, I wouldn't feel safe otherwise lmao, I have a astra van that's a death trap as it is.... As for being morons, person who said that probably has a zimmerframe and no life.

subframe worn through?! unless you took the f*cking wheels off I'd say you were lying.. pics please..


and don't start with the 'old' comments.. that just proves you have no argument.. and no clue..

[ross_jsy]

I forget a fully stripped car with 18 point cage, 4 pots, m50 etc etc is exactly how my car rolled out the factory

I can appreciate a well modified car, but some dog of an e30 with rimzzz and welded diff just qualifies as a shitter

[Jhonno]

I forget a fully stripped car with 18 point cage, 4 pots, m50 etc etc is exactly how my car rolled out the factory

I can appreciate a well modified car, but some dog of an e30 with rimzzz and welded diff just qualifies as a shitter

[BATTS91]

right point 1 when did i say my car has "stance" i havent ive said its got camber my car is far from having as much negative camber as these hellaflush guys ect ,

if anybody knows anything there is benefits of negative camber and positive camber for instance the correct amount of negative camber, increase in traction/grip when cornering because i tputs the tyre at a better angle to the road its basically to do with friction and forces , so ok now weve established its no the oem homos it was quite funny tho i cant see the problem camber set to 0degres will make you faster in a straight lines but seriously anybody do pro drag racing thought not ! oh and tom just for your info my tyres arnt cheap toyo proxies 205/45/15 R i dont recall them cheap at £100 a tyre ?

[verde]

By the looks of things most people appreciate or atleast tollerate low cars with wide wheels aslong as we bin the americanism and try to erase the word stance from our dictionaries, atleast on the zone

[Jhonno]

oh and tom just for your info my tyres arnt cheap toyo proxies 205/45/15 R i dont recall them cheap at £100 a tyre ?

Fuck.. You are getting ripped off! That's nearly twice the price you can get them for..

Way too small as well. But hey. Probably the least of your worries.

[Grrrmachine]

when did i say my car has "stance"

When did anyone else say yours is? I think they were referring to VW-will's motor.

the correct amount of negative camber...

But we both know that "stance" as a scene is as far removed from CORRECT camber as it's possible to be. You've shot yourself in the foot with that argument.

[ross_jsy]

i cant see the problem camber set to 0degres will make you faster in a straight lines but seriously anybody do pro drag racing thought not !

Drag cars run positive camber so when they launch and squat, the tyre is square to the tarmac.

So you now use camber for performance reasons? How did you figure out the correct amount of camber? Can't see it being done with a temperature gun and track time somehow...

[BATTS91]

the last time i had to pay for them they where about that price , way too small ??? so if i were to say there coming off and 195/45/16 tyres are going on theyd be too small aswell yikes man all the stance/camber ect is all down to personal prefrence we all know this but its making good banter here

[MattTheHat325]

When a BMW is lowered it always develops an aggressive 'stance' due to the camber it induces naturally, I love how that alpina sits, to me that is a perfect stance for an e30. Due to forums, magazines and American based blogs etc it has just turned into a competition about how much your wheels stick out, how stretched your tyres are, how close to the arch they are etc why does anything about nodding have to be a competition? It's nice when you can park at a show and people admire your car but when it's surrounded by emo's in flat peaks and massive holes in their ears, pointing and wanking over how much of the wheel's barrel is not covered by the tyre, it's a bit embarrassing. Let's paint our roofs chequered and hang a teddy from our tow eyes and watch these fiends collapse in a monster energy sticker bombed frenzy of poke induced orgasms.

Or not. I feel hypocritical but there's a line with these things and I try to stay well on the functional side of it!

[verde]

What is functional low on these anyway? My borbets are on 215/40/16 on 9j 16s, will that be sweet for a 60 all round drop

[Jhonno]

there's a line with these things and I try to stay well on the functional side of it!

Absolutely!!

My daily, can sit closer to the line.

My track turd will sit well away from it.

[Tom_Maverick]

oh and tom just for your info my tyres arnt cheap toyo proxies 205/45/15 R i dont recall them cheap at £100 a tyre ?

****.. You are getting ripped off! That's nearly twice the price you can get them for..

Way too small as well. But hey. Probably the least of your worries.

^^ pretty much what I'd have said but I was busy doing something constructive... proxes are crap tyres anyway lets be fair..

and how is steering geometry down to personal preference ?

it's like saying "you know what I was thinking I might put headlights on the back of my car instead of the front.. hey I can't see sh*t but that's personal preference isn't it! "

I think we have gathered here that some people know about what makes a car drive right and others like what they saw on a forum and are more worried about aesthetics and following a poor american trend than actually being able to hammer the thing into a corner..

[BATTS91]

ye oh ye stance as they call it is definatly beyond giving extra grip from what the pictures show but i dont see the problem its somthing that some people like as verde said i think as we go on here its the word "stance" that ridiculed with hatred
so far a i see it its e30zone vs 3 lads with what i could say for me and will have alot money into our cars not just the stuff you see on the outside , and im sure these people that go extreme stance ect plunge alot of money intto there motors aswell i ddont see the problem i might not like somthing you do to your car sir but sure as hell wouldnt rip into you for your taste/choice at the most id simple say i dont like it not as whaters his name said bout wills bm n mates merc thats what this argument is really about here RESPECT and i dont see none i see what people keep saying about this place and the abuse ect joke ive never seen it on another forum i dont get it

[Jhonno]

I literally cannot read your replies.. The lack of punctuation makes it impossible.

[Tom_Maverick]

What is functional low on these anyway? My borbets are on 215/40/16 on 9j 16s, will that be sweet for a 60 all round drop

yeah but you'll bash your sump and rack like what I do (English roads are toss).. 60/40 is ideal.. (40 at the front) you'll need to roll your rear arches to get some no scrubbin' action.. I ran 215/45's on mine so you may have a little more space..

[MattTheHat325]

What is functional low on these anyway? My borbets are on 215/40/16 on 9j 16s, will that be sweet for a 60 all round drop

Much lower than 40 on that size will cause headaches, UNLESS you do a lot of arch reshaping etc, but then that car is committed to running wide wheels for the rest of it's life or it will look daft. My 9x16 rears are a pain in the ass to be honest mate

[Tom_Maverick]

ye oh ye stance as they call it is definatly beyond giving extra grip from what the pictures show but i dont see the problem its somthing that some people like as verde said i think as we go on here its the word "stance" that ridiculed with hatred
so far a i see it its e30zone vs 3 lads with what i could say for me and will have alot money into our cars not just the stuff you see on the outside , and im sure these people that go extreme stance ect plunge alot of money intto there motors aswell i ddont see the problem i might not like somthing you do to your car sir but sure as hell wouldnt rip into you for your taste/choice at the most id simple say i dont like it not as whaters his name said bout wills bm n mates merc thats what this argument is really about here RESPECT and i dont see none i see what people keep saying about this place and the abuse ect joke ive never seen it on another forum i dont get it

don't take it so personally chap.. we're only arguing about the stupid trend that is stance.. you need to calm the f*ck down.. this is the internet after all!
Will turned up making inflammatory comments with no pics to back them up ("I wore through my subframe" LOLZ) anyway..
I'm moaning about the phrase 'stance' and the scene crap.. I love a low BM.. look at my sig! the heavy artillery is on the floor on 9j's with a slight stretch.. I'm not a twazzock about it though.. I think that's the point..

[Morat]

Its not the rolling radius (as long as it all fits in the arch and doesn't rub). The camber is in direct proportion to the drop - assuming standard suspension. You'll notice uneven wear even at -35mm.

[MattTheHat325]

Exactly Tom, in fairness I could probably sort my scrapage by using some stiffer rear springs but as I've said I like the way mine rides and handles and I'm not willing to sacrifice that anymore. Springs are staying, wheels are going, then I can get back to terrorising b roads like an e30 should be able to.

[suedenim]

oh and tom just for your info my tyres arnt cheap toyo proxies 205/45/15 R i dont recall them cheap at £100 a tyre ?

so if i were to say there coming off and 195/45/16 tyres are going on theyd be too small aswell yikes man all the stance/camber ect is all down to personal prefrence we all know this but its making good banter here

I would say they're going to be too big, but at least you'll be getting nearer the correct rolling radius

[Tom_Maverick]

Its not the rolling radius (as long as it all fits in the arch and doesn't rub). The camber is in direct proportion to the drop - assuming standard suspension. You'll notice uneven wear even at -35mm.

not to mention affecting handling as the castor angle is changed too (wheels sit further back in the arch) if you're going to run low then you really need adjustable topmounts and camber correction

[suedenim]

'The Scene' is just a hangover from the death of the max power style and will be history in around less than ten years time when the next best scene arrives (hopefully it will be fitting nuclear reactors to g-wizzes and smart cars).

Many of those who have jumped on the bandwagon will get some slapper pregnant in a maccy d's car park, will have to buy nappies, a cot, etc. Said slapper will whine that he should sell his pride and joy, at which point he'll realise that all of the non reversal mods that he has spent thousands on, have actually narrowed the numbers of buyers to the point of the car being worth fook all. Most cars will feature in a scrap heap near you in the coming years!

Just been looking for a Lupo for the mrs, the values of the ones sitting on cut springs,banded steels, sticker bombed and with matt black bonnets (read shit) is so much lower than the clean, FSH, standard ones.

[BATTS91]

nah fair play tom by the looks of your sig photo my car is probably the same height as yours at the mo due to my nan and grandads drive being steep , the main reason i joined is because someone was taking the pish outa will and his motor and the fact that in know it owes aprox 10k i think respect is due to the people who spend money on there car,
if they like stance as its now called its down them i know as much as the next person massive amounts of camber is going to cock geometry massively but it looks cool

oh the toyos do a good job for me as a good alrounder tyre , also tom like ya borbets what tyre size you running if you dont mind asking while where on the subject ?

im not as low as will , but he does have ajustable top mounts on the front along with gaz coiloversfront and back

[Kos]

i'm hellaflush with my cut springs

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i get the bitches

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roll your arches with a baseball bat

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[Tom_Maverick]

nah fair play tom by the looks of your sig photo my car is probably the same height as yours at the mo due to my nan and grandads drive being steep , the main reason i joined is because someone was taking the pish outa will and his motor and the fact that in know it owes aprox 10k i think respect is due to the people who spend money on there car,
if they like stance as its now called its down them i know as much as the next person massive amounts of camber is going to c**k geometry massively but it looks cool

oh the toyos do a good job for me as a good alrounder tyre , also tom like ya borbets what tyre size you running if you dont mind asking while where on the subject ?

im not as low as will , but he does have ajustable top mounts on the front along with gaz coiloversfront and back

I seeee.. now you sound more normal and Will ("I wore through my subframe") should probably work out how to come across better.. I'm not sure I'm ready to respect someone who spent 10k on their car for that reason alone! (I respect that guy who took a ratty old E30 and chucked an M5 lump in it in what looks like a farmyard.. 10k is just money)
I'm running 215/45 16's, they are a nicer ride than my old 40's and look like they fit the car better.. I tried toyo proxes a while back on my 535i and they were much worse than the contisports I took off! I actually changed them before they wore out.. they were crap in the wet too.. but it's your choice..

(I have to add that I don't have the borbets any more, I bought some Keskins for when the weather improves.. still 16x9 ET15 so the same fit)

[cecotto479]

Rice+"Stance".

Rancid?

[BATTS91]

ye same tyre profile i have gonna get 195/45/16 same as will tucks in the arch more less rubbing and looks awsome

i can vouch for will and his subframe alothough theres no photo proof it wass fooked took a right scraping and bashing , i do belive he has cracked the subframe on bm once already but if you want low gta suffer consiquenses and we know this and youve just gotta be prepped with spare cash

i dont know if you were refering to wills car but he has m52 not m5 :/ there has been a great deal of money and effort gone into that car although alot of it was on the previous engine taken out about two weeks ago like you say money is only money its here to be spent hats what i say fella

[Jozi]

I don't get the whole running 195's on a 9J wheel, 7.5J bbs (standard) run a wider tire. Not taking a stab at you Batts, just that I see you mention it and have had the same recommended for my B's.

[Jhonno]

I don't get the whole running 195's on a 9J wheel, 7.5J bbs (standard) run a wider tire. Not taking a stab at you Batts, just that I see you mention it and have had the same recommended for my B's.

195 on a 9" looks wank.

215 on an 8.5" looks bordering on too much.

[Jozi]

[Jhonno]

That is retarded.. A bit of stretch looks cool imo. 215 on an 8.5 is about the very limit. That just looks stupid and no way would I be driving that above walking pace.