Choices,choices

General E30 related discussions -
Please put technical questions in E30 Tech Help forum below

Moderator: martauto

leeparkes
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 9538
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:00 pm
Location: Black country

Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:47 pm

adit wrote:
leeparkes wrote:
Id put a better pic up but id probably get banned. :)
erm...Lee...when you say "better"....would that be in YOUR opinion?

:teehee:
No, erm yes erm no. :) I wanted to put a pic up to show why our Ron is so famous.

Got a right dong on him. :eek:
Cypriotgeeza wrote:I done both my mates in my old 318is
felt so proud,even tried it with a E30 325i and got put in my place.. :o:
User avatar
gooner1
Out humping Reindeer
Posts: 13280
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Northampton.For my sins.

Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:59 pm

[quote="meccanofred



However,as this purchase is intended to be a 'cheap buy' to use about the urban environment to keep the above-mentioned sticky fingers away from my decent BMW's,I think that a smaller engined tourer may be more fit for purpose.[/quote]

I run a 325i cab and a battle wagon 316i Touring.
Both put a smile on my face for different reasons but with
the Touring i have no qualms re parking in supermarkets or
public places. My family feel more relaxed, safer in the Touring
for some strange reason.
Image
User avatar
BEERBOY123
E30 Zone Squatter
E30 Zone Squatter
Posts: 1537
Joined: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:00 pm

Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:33 pm

The 318iS is the thinking man's E30, no doubt about it. It's much rarer than a 325, sounds better, handles better, more economical, more modern engine and you can't even get a 'moredoor' version, cos it was too cool for that.

And BM stopped making it because they realised it would lead to the loss of 325 sales once the intelligent customer clocked that the iS was better all round but cheaper than the 'flagship' model.

Fact
Two headblenders, couple of bags of MC Hammer, 5 litres of FFF, a 48ft bastard, a box of jumped-up custard and some soggy chimps
snakebrain
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 3685
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:00 pm

Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:07 pm

meccanofred wrote:proper BMW's have 6 cylinders....odd thing is that the brand new 3 series that I have on order is a 328i,with a four cylinder twin turbo....
That's because the last proper bmw was built circa 1994!!
deanocool
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 451
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:00 pm
Location: Midlands

Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:32 pm

ross_jsy wrote:But the 318iS is the baby m3!!!!

Nah, who am I kidding, 325i all day long

But this will sum it up for you:

[youtube][/youtube]
that video...... is frigging brilliant :D :D :D
capri_rob
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 9681
Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:00 pm
Location: South Staffordshire

Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:41 pm

BEERBOY123 wrote:The 318iS is the thinking man's E30, no doubt about it. It's much rarer than a 325, sounds better, handles better, more economical, more modern engine and you can't even get a 'moredoor' version, cos it was too cool for that.

And BM stopped making it because they realised it would lead to the loss of 325 sales once the intelligent customer clocked that the iS was better all round but cheaper than the 'flagship' model.

Fact
So much Fail in 1 single post 8O
Image

e30topless said : Proper BMW's have 4 headlights, last of the run was the E30 and E34/E32 anything after that is just complete shite
e30kev
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 402
Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:00 pm
Location: Kelty, Scotland

Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:52 pm

capri_rob wrote:
BEERBOY123 wrote:The 318iS is the thinking man's E30, no doubt about it. It's much rarer than a 325, sounds better, handles better, more economical, more modern engine and you can't even get a 'moredoor' version, cos it was too cool for that.

And BM stopped making it because they realised it would lead to the loss of 325 sales once the intelligent customer clocked that the iS was better all round but cheaper than the 'flagship' model.

Fact
So much Fail in 1 single post 8O
either that or the most sarcasm ever used in a post
Image
User avatar
BEERBOY123
E30 Zone Squatter
E30 Zone Squatter
Posts: 1537
Joined: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:00 pm

Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:28 pm

I don't do sarcasm. There is simply no so called 'fail' in my posting.

Simple fact is that most of you lot got 325s without really thinking about it. "Oh, it's got the biggest engine, it must be the best. And now I have one I'll stand by that first thought regardless of the facts."

Ever bought a fake picture? The more you paid for it the more you want to believe it's real (Tinker Tailor steal I think).

You all looooooose
Two headblenders, couple of bags of MC Hammer, 5 litres of FFF, a 48ft bastard, a box of jumped-up custard and some soggy chimps
deanocool
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 451
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:00 pm
Location: Midlands

Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:50 pm

to say a 318is is better than a 325 is down to personal preference imo. the 325 would always be my 1st choice. I do like the IS, its a fun motor which packs a bigger punch than most people expect, but its no 325 beater. i suppose its depends on what you want in a car. IS and 25 are different breeds, but both are e30s though so its some kind of win if you own either. id own both if i had the coins :)
leeparkes
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 9538
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:00 pm
Location: Black country

Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:04 am

BEERBOY123 wrote:sounds better
No they dont.
Cypriotgeeza wrote:I done both my mates in my old 318is
felt so proud,even tried it with a E30 325i and got put in my place.. :o:
oldroydsr4
E30 Zone Squatter
E30 Zone Squatter
Posts: 1579
Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Warwick

Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:15 am

leeparkes wrote:
BEERBOY123 wrote:sounds better
No they dont.
Anybody who thinks a m42 sounds better than a m20 is smoking crack.
User avatar
Jozi
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 3076
Joined: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:00 pm
Location: Dublin, Ireland

Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:20 am

meccanofred wrote: Perhaps a touring E30 is the answer?
Now your talking :cool:

Fixed above as well
Blitz
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 11155
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: East London+Basildon

Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:49 am

BEERBOY123 wrote:The 318iS is the thinking man's E30, no doubt about it. It's much rarer than a 325, sounds better, handles better, more economical, more modern engine and you can't even get a 'moredoor' version, cos it was too cool for that.

And BM stopped making it because they realised it would lead to the loss of 325 sales once the intelligent customer clocked that the iS was better all round but cheaper than the 'flagship' model.

Fact
Your deluded
German-Whips
E30 Zone Camper
E30 Zone Camper
Posts: 1157
Joined: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:00 pm
Location: Berkshire

Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:38 am

Ive had both an iS and a 6 pot.......

The 318iS is a lot different to the 6 pot. The 6pot has tonnes of more grunt which you can feel while the iS feels a bit lighter to thrash around.

I liked them both, they're both different in function.


(6 pot was better :snigger: :snigger: :snigger: :snigger: )
m_jermyn
E30 Zone Team Member
E30 Zone Team Member
Posts: 4208
Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:00 pm
Location: Sydney Australia Mate

Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:44 am

My advice is a little different....


Go get the the straightest least rusty best condition e30 you can find.


If you happen to get a 6 cyl thats great but if you cant find a good 6 get a good for then throw out the motor and put a 6 in it.
User avatar
fozzymandeus
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 392
Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: North Wales

Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:34 am

m_jermyn wrote:My advice is a little different....


Go get the the straightest least rusty best condition e30 you can find.


If you happen to get a 6 cyl thats great but if you cant find a good 6 get a good for then throw out the motor and put a 6 in it.
This.

Don't be tempted into something with a rusty scuttle. No need as there are still plenty out there with solid shells.
User avatar
Jozi
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 3076
Joined: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:00 pm
Location: Dublin, Ireland

Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:05 pm

m_jermyn wrote: Go get the the straightest least rusty best condition e30 you can find.
Possibly best advice on here! I know for sure my next E30 will be the cleanest shell I can find, everything else can be retro fitted.

Not driven a 325 but I had a m42 in my touring (best of both worlds) and found it plenty for daily driving. Can feel a sport has a lot more power even as a passenger, pity about high tax and fuel economy.
User avatar
meccanofred
E30 Zone Newbie
E30 Zone Newbie
Posts: 20
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:00 pm

Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:48 pm

Jozi wrote:
m_jermyn wrote: Go get the the straightest least rusty best condition e30 you can find.
Possibly best advice on here! I know for sure my next E30 will be the cleanest shell I can find, everything else can be retro fitted.

Not driven a 325 but I had a m42 in my touring (best of both worlds) and found it plenty for daily driving. Can feel a sport has a lot more power even as a passenger, pity about high tax and fuel economy.
Arg,so the only way to get the best of both worlds is DIY!

Snag here is that the bloody rug-rats will still dribble and drool...and if I've spent six months in the garage building the ultimate E30 then that will not go down very well!

Perhaps I would be better off with a disposable Japanese thing?
oldroydsr4
E30 Zone Squatter
E30 Zone Squatter
Posts: 1579
Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Warwick

Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:08 pm

meccanofred wrote:
Jozi wrote:
m_jermyn wrote: Go get the the straightest least rusty best condition e30 you can find.
Possibly best advice on here! I know for sure my next E30 will be the cleanest shell I can find, everything else can be retro fitted.

Not driven a 325 but I had a m42 in my touring (best of both worlds) and found it plenty for daily driving. Can feel a sport has a lot more power even as a passenger, pity about high tax and fuel economy.
Arg,so the only way to get the best of both worlds is DIY!

Snag here is that the bloody rug-rats will still dribble and drool...and if I've spent six months in the garage building the ultimate E30 then that will not go down very well!

Perhaps I would be better off with a disposable Japanese thing?

The ultimate e30 would 10000% not have a m42 in it, whether it is in a touring, saloon or 2 door shell.
User avatar
BEERBOY123
E30 Zone Squatter
E30 Zone Squatter
Posts: 1537
Joined: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:00 pm

Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:39 pm

Perhaps not, but the 'ultimate' E30 is the M3, and that has a four pot.
Two headblenders, couple of bags of MC Hammer, 5 litres of FFF, a 48ft bastard, a box of jumped-up custard and some soggy chimps
fuzzy
He who sleeps with "Gingers"
Posts: 14351
Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: melbourne Australia

Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:49 pm

yes, but is not an m42 4 pot. their is no comparison.
Alex
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 22666
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa

Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:07 pm

If you want good fuel economy buy a 318is

if you arnt fussed with 20mpg then the 325i has many more advantages :D

also alot of 318is have rattly timing gear and can be expensive to change
User avatar
BEERBOY123
E30 Zone Squatter
E30 Zone Squatter
Posts: 1537
Joined: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:00 pm

Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:08 pm

I like pretty much all E30s, regardless of engine, bodyshell etc. I like 325s, but I just think that the iS is the best all rounder, is rarer than a 325, more modern engine and so on. I just get slightly frustrated with the 325/six pot or nothing argument.

I have had sixes and four pots. The four pots sound better. Six pots sound like sewing machines/Beetles. Why was the M3 a four pot? Cos it was much better for racing than a lazy six.
Two headblenders, couple of bags of MC Hammer, 5 litres of FFF, a 48ft bastard, a box of jumped-up custard and some soggy chimps
Alex
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 22666
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa

Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:11 pm

BEERBOY123 wrote:I like pretty much all E30s, regardless of engine, bodyshell etc. I like 325s, but I just think that the iS is the best all rounder, is rarer than a 325, more modern engine and so on. I just get slightly frustrated with the 325/six pot or nothing argument.

I have had sixes and four pots. The four pots sound better. Six pots sound like sewing machines/Beetles. Why was the M3 a four pot? Cos it was much better for racing than a lazy six.
have you ever had a 325i?

when i had my sport it put a better smile on my face than the 318is
e30kev
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 402
Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:00 pm
Location: Kelty, Scotland

Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:22 pm

BEERBOY123 wrote:I have had sixes and four pots. The four pots sound better. Six pots sound like sewing machines/Beetles
I think the six pots your basing this on must have seriously needed the tappets adjusting or had other faults like a cracked manifold etc, as the six pots sound really nice and is one of the defining things for me about e30's
Image
sunnyr83
E30 Zone Addict
E30 Zone Addict
Posts: 2286
Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:00 pm
Location: West London 'init'

Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:23 pm

BEERBOY123 wrote:
The four pots sound better. .
Is this a typo???
chh137
E30 Zone Squatter
E30 Zone Squatter
Posts: 1502
Joined: Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:00 pm
Location: deepest darkest derbyshire

Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:47 pm

Was told as a young apprentice many years ago that theres no substitute for cubic capacity. so 2.5 litre 6 pot is the one .Ands so so smooth .
deanocool
E30 Zone Regular
E30 Zone Regular
Posts: 451
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:00 pm
Location: Midlands

Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:00 am

BEERBOY123 wrote:I have had sixes and four pots. The four pots sound better. Six pots sound like sewing machines/Beetles
:? :D
leeparkes
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 9538
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:00 pm
Location: Black country

Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:17 am

e30kev wrote:
BEERBOY123 wrote:I have had sixes and four pots. The four pots sound better. Six pots sound like sewing machines/Beetles
I think the six pots your basing this on must have seriously needed the tappets adjusting or had other faults like a cracked manifold etc, as the six pots sound really nice and is one of the defining things for me about e30's
This/\/\

6 pot crackle FTW :cool:
Cypriotgeeza wrote:I done both my mates in my old 318is
felt so proud,even tried it with a E30 325i and got put in my place.. :o:
ShepsEvo3
Master of go faster
Posts: 1881
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Bristol/Wiltshire

Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:20 am

Depends what you are after.. outright performance.. 325i, economy.. 318is.

The 318is is just as quick if not quicker on a twisty B road than the 325i, but on a nice sweeping road and the motorway, the 325i wins the day. It also wins the day on sound too.

For me, these days fuel efficiency is everything.. Fuel prices has risen 30% in the last couple of years and isn't letting off either.. For the loss of performance between the two, which is negligable in my opinion if you have a very good 318is, it's a no brainer (boring maybe?) 318is lol :mad:
E30 M3 Unichip Alpha N style conversions, this is the ultimate for extracting the best out of your S14 M power car.
Also, Live mapping of your Standard Motronic ECU for optimising all your modifications.
www.sabre-tuning.co.uk
leeparkes
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 9538
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:00 pm
Location: Black country

Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:22 am

LPG the 325i. :)
Cypriotgeeza wrote:I done both my mates in my old 318is
felt so proud,even tried it with a E30 325i and got put in my place.. :o:
bss325i
E30 Zone Team Member
E30 Zone Team Member
Posts: 24536
Joined: Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:00 pm
Location: London/Surrey

Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:45 am

This whole 318iS handles better than a 325i nonsense is just that!

The weight difference has little to no effect ON A ROAD CAR with the SAME M TECHNIC SUSPENSION!

That is a fact.

Any road, a 325i with M technic suspension would rape a 318iS! No contest!

Who cares if the M42 is a newer engine, its still 22 years old which is pre-historic in car terms!
http://www.bmrperformance.co.uk

BMW and MINI specialist - Gatwick
capri_rob
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 9681
Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:00 pm
Location: South Staffordshire

Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:42 am

ShepsEvo3 wrote:Depends what you are after.. outright performance.. 325i, economy.. 318is.

The 318is is just as quick if not quicker on a twisty B road than the 325i, but on a nice sweeping road and the motorway, the 325i wins the day. It also wins the day on sound too.

For me, these days fuel efficiency is everything.. Fuel prices has risen 30% in the last couple of years and isn't letting off either.. For the loss of performance between the two, which is negligable in my opinion if you have a very good 318is, it's a no brainer (boring maybe?) 318is lol :mad:
Valid points - but only really relevant if you drive it every day - and lets face it if fuel economy is your top priority you'd buy an LPG or DERV which can kick out at least 40mpg without breaking sweat rather than having to tickle your M42 along like a nun to get over 30mpg.

As the majority of Zoners seem to use these turds as second cars for fun, fuel economy doesnt really come into it.

So what you're saying the iS is the "Sensible" option, but if you want something a bit special you'd buy the 325i.


I can live with that :D
Image

e30topless said : Proper BMW's have 4 headlights, last of the run was the E30 and E34/E32 anything after that is just complete shite
adit
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 13727
Joined: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:00 pm
Location: portsmouth

Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:59 am

BEERBOY123 wrote:I like pretty much all E30s, regardless of engine, bodyshell etc.

I have had sixes and four pots.
same here. it's horses for courses.
i always have a four-pot Touring for a Winter hack, good economy and loads of room for spares, etc, the Sport if i want performance and the Convertible for posing/wind-in-the-hair motoring.
i have owned a few iSs and loved their combination of lively performance and economy.
Image

E30 Parts Galore!! 07901 888019

[quote="bss325i"]
Get a f* grip,we are talking about 20+yr.old sub £10k cars here,NOT the crown jewels!
Alex
Married to the E30 Zone
Married to the E30 Zone
Posts: 22666
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:00 pm
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa

Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:52 am

my old run of the mill remapped diesel mk5 golf would piss all over my sport.

if you want something fast you dont buy either :D
Post Reply