This true story will make you weep... E30 M3 3.2 Conversion

[Kos]

Are you going to be using the zoom intake and how do they get around the removal of the MAF , Running etc ?

Buster I presume you mean that question?

I am using the Zoom intake, as i said before, this intake is basically an Ally copy of Hammans one... it is true about the size of it and it only breathes properly when the car is moving really as it is quite small but this doesnt affect tickover... I dont know about the MAF but it all works, i dont know what MAF stands for!!! Jay himself had it running on his 3.2 before he chipped it and it ran fine, also with Zooms exhaust on and a remap for this kit he saw over 340bhp on a rolling road which for those engines which usually come in LESS than 300 and no higher than about 310 (often as low as 280-290) thats a testament to how well it works...

Cheers

MFree

p.s Kos - you crack me up man... your postings back there made my laugh like a drain... look forward to putting my ride up against yours soon....

any time mate, your a top man and if there is any thing i can do to help i'm there. catch you soon

before i go here is another thought, a chimpanzee could do a better job of mapping a car than jay, so he may as well call himself "chimped uk"

[MFree]

I larfed so much I

Or given where the raw material came from 'Ripped UK' which is kool also because it contains the letters 'R.I.P'...

Right, lets stay on topic now...

MFree

[Demlotcrew]

So jays car ran 340BHP with a new plenum (which i bet is crap) and an exhaust? I just dont believe it, not for a min! Jay did the mapping on his own car? and it ran 340bhp? Get my drift?

Andrew

[ian332isport]

as i said before, this intake is basically an Ally copy of Hammans one... it is true about the size of it and it only breathes properly when the car is moving really as it is quite small but this doesnt affect tickover...

I'm not quite sure how you can compare the two. They are totally different. The Hamann has plenty of volume, equal length intake runners and radiused bellmouths inside the plenum (although not visible in that picture). The Zoom intake is too small, has un-equal length intake runners, no bellmouths and shrouds no6 cylinder.

I fully agree that it's a great piece if you want to fit the S50 engine in an E30 without messing with the servo, but to say that it makes more power than the standard setup is pushing a bit. As stated previously, I have never seen a dyno plot for an engine fitted with this intake. People keep using this figure of 340 (or more) BHP, but where's the plot ?

I'm more than happy to agree if presented with results to back this up. I would also be visiting John to get one if it will give me another 15 or so BHP.

I'm not trying to slate John, or have a go at anyone. I'm genuinely interested to see how this intake performs, but all the evidence I have so far indicates that it will not make more power than the standard setup.

Hamann:



Zoom:



Ian.

[M5pilot]

Hamman.....

[tourerti]

Jays engine was running schrick cams, modified mapping, no cats and many extras, 340hp is nothing unusual for this spec, it was proven on the countries highest spec rolling road at streetracers and did times at Bruntingthorpe proven by indipendant magazines.
You can knock him as much as you all like but the fact is he has proven himself many times, you only have to pick up a copy of any BMW magazine any month to verify from any one of the huge list of cars he has mapped.
This isnt guess work, its proven in every magazine and on every forum.

[buster]

OO,that hamman one looks nice,Id like to know if that would fit the e30 engine bay ! although id have to take it off to check the oil

[Paul325i]

OO,that hamman one looks nice,Id like to know if that would fit the e30 engine bay ! although id have to take it off to check the oil

I'd agree, very tasty bit of kit, bet it's pricey

[buster]

Yeah probably

[jmc330i]

OO,that hamman one looks nice,Id like to know if that would fit the e30 engine bay !

I was just thinking the exact same thing

MFree,
Are you going to be using the zoom intake and how do they get around the removal of the MAF , Running etc ?

When I spoke to John about my conversion, he said something about using DTA engine management - I assume that will run without the MAF.

I dont want to bring up Jaysons old 332i Cab, but in the TBMW pics you can see the MAF fitted, so I dont know what has been used there - Im sure in the first pics and Vid I saw of it running it didnt have the MAF fitted??



Anyway - MFree, I hope your car gets sorted. Ive been keeping an eye on this thread and waiting for the news (and pics) that its finshed. Keep with it

[ian332isport]

Jays engine was running schrick cams, modified mapping, no cats and many extras, 340hp is nothing unusual for this spec, it was proven on the countries highest spec rolling road at streetracers and did times at Bruntingthorpe proven by indipendant magazines.
You can knock him as much as you all like but the fact is he has proven himself many times, you only have to pick up a copy of any BMW magazine any month to verify from any one of the huge list of cars he has mapped.
This isnt guess work, its proven in every magazine and on every forum.

Can you stop referring to yourself in the third person. We're not stupid and it's getting a bit tedious

[scrapboy]

lol. i agree with ian.

brummies are so thick.

hows your mr2 jayson? how does it comepare to your 4 cylinder merc? i bet its a fair bit quicker.

jayson, why have you been baned from every forum going in the last 2.5 years??? come on you must be doing something wrong? you dont realise that if you were a straight bussiness man then you would earn more money. you will soon find that everyone will think your a cunt. your almost there to be honest. people talk.

christ, brummies had a bad enough rep as it was. then you come on the scene.

hows that footballer bloke that you live next to?(smell the bullshit)

jayson aka tourerti aka chippeduk aka gumball aka bumball aka twat

[tylerma]

lol. i agree with ian.

brummies are so thick.

hows your mr2 jayson? how does it comepare to your 4 cylinder merc? i bet its a fair bit quicker.

jayson, why have you been baned from every forum going in the last 2.5 years??? come on you must be doing something wrong? you dont realise that if you were a straight bussiness man then you would earn more money. you will soon find that everyone will think your a cunt. your almost there to be honest. people talk.

christ, brummies had a bad enough rep as it was. then you come on the scene.

hows that footballer bloke that you live next to?(smell the bullshit)

jayson aka tourerti aka chippeduk aka gumball aka bumball aka twat

this is really going to help get the thread back on track isnt it

[Kos]

Jays engine was running schrick cams, modified mapping, no cats and many extras, 340hp is nothing unusual for this spec, it was proven on the countries highest spec rolling road at streetracers and did times at Bruntingthorpe proven by indipendant magazines.
You can knock him as much as you all like but the fact is he has proven himself many times, you only have to pick up a copy of any BMW magazine any month to verify from any one of the huge list of cars he has mapped.
This isnt guess work, its proven in every magazine and on every forum.

getting a bit bored here, cant you take a hint?? another 5000 years of evolution you might develop your brain and understand
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME ON THIS PAGE AND TOPIC SO GO AWAY!!!

kos

[tylerma]

Jays engine was running schrick cams, modified mapping, no cats and many extras, 340hp is nothing unusual for this spec, it was proven on the countries highest spec rolling road at streetracers and did times at Bruntingthorpe proven by indipendant magazines.
You can knock him as much as you all like but the fact is he has proven himself many times, you only have to pick up a copy of any BMW magazine any month to verify from any one of the huge list of cars he has mapped.
This isnt guess work, its proven in every magazine and on every forum.

getting a bit bored here, cant you take a hint?? another 5000 years of evolution you might develop your brain and understand
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME ON THIS PAGE AND TOPIC SO GO AWAY!!!

kos

kos just leave it mate
lets try and keep the thread free for MFree

[Kos]

Jays engine was running schrick cams, modified mapping, no cats and many extras, 340hp is nothing unusual for this spec, it was proven on the countries highest spec rolling road at streetracers and did times at Bruntingthorpe proven by indipendant magazines.
You can knock him as much as you all like but the fact is he has proven himself many times, you only have to pick up a copy of any BMW magazine any month to verify from any one of the huge list of cars he has mapped.
This isnt guess work, its proven in every magazine and on every forum.

getting a bit bored here, cant you take a hint?? another 5000 years of evolution you might develop your brain and understand
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME ON THIS PAGE AND TOPIC SO GO AWAY!!!

kos

kos just leave it mate
lets try and keep the thread free for MFree

spot on mate, i'm with you and mfree on this, but when he keeps coming back going off topic you cant help but get a bit anoyed??

but its staying on topic now.

[tourerti]

Ian is a clever lad, thinking I am Jay but if this was the case why am I not banned the answer is simple, too many people here know I am not Jay as they have met me.
I dont mind the insults and neither does Jay we are both waiting on proof of anything derogative being said about either of us being proven as truthfull.
Stop the words and show the proof.

[stevetigger]

Ian is a clever lad, thinking I am Jay but if this was the case why am I not banned the answer is simple, too many people here know I am not Jay as they have met me.
I dont mind the insults and neither does Jay we are both waiting on proof of anything derogative being said about either of us being proven as truthfull.
Stop the words and show the proof.

Dont you get a hint?? Just go away and crawl under the rock you came out from under!!! Im watching this thread with added interest....so go away or I will get you banned for giving this site a bad look!! Give it up now tourerti and don't reply because im not the only one bored with you!



On another note, can the admin clean this thread up like Mfree asked! it's not a hard job to do! This site was great, bring it back to it's former glory!

[MFree]

Ian
If you look at those two photos id say the air volume was PRETTY close actually, johns one is alot deeper but not as wide.. anyway the point was to try and confront this issue of #6 cylinder etc..

but...

I tell you what, when my M3 is FINALLY finished in 6 weeks or less I will PERSONALLY get a full dyno plot of every parameter you want under the sun then we can hopefully, as you say, separate the wheat from the chaff on this issue...

and i think the whole 'issue we cant mention' is sorted now, the resolution might come as a surprise when everybody knows about it but I think its going to be amicable for everyone but thats ALL and I mean ALL im going to say on the subject....

I am going to take some detailed pics of my car on tuesday to try and keep this thread alive... (as its currently lolling about after an off-topic onslaught like a drunk guy lagging about the street with a kebab hanging out of his back pocket 2 hours after closing time)

Peace out

MFree

[ian332isport]

Ian
If you look at those two photos id say the air volume was PRETTY close actually, johns one is alot deeper but not as wide.. anyway the point was to try and confront this issue of #6 cylinder etc..

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

I tell you what, when my M3 is FINALLY finished in 6 weeks or less I will PERSONALLY get a full dyno plot of every parameter you want under the sun then we can hopefully, as you say, separate the wheat from the chaff on this issue...

Sounds like an excellent idea

Cheers,

Ian.

[Demlotcrew]

Im with Ian on this one, there is no way thats a Hamman copy!

I could fit my whole arm into the last cylinder trumpet! but on the Zoom one it looks like there is about 3cm to the edge of the plenum.

Andrew

[E46ACS]

I have just read this entire thread..... and....WOW! I have not had any dealings with the aforementioned parties, so have no opinion on the matter, but as Ben stated earlier, this is so much better than Eastenders!!!!!

Mfree. Much respect to you for sticking with your project so long man! Keep the faith, it will be worth it once you're out on the open road! I really hope it's not too long before we all get to see pictures of your completed car! I for one, can't wait to see the finished article!!!

Good luck mate!

[ste]

I tell you what, when my M3 is FINALLY finished in 6 weeks or less I will PERSONALLY get a full dyno plot of every parameter you want under the sun then we can hopefully, as you say, separate the wheat from the chaff on this issue...

I'd like to see that. It will be interesting to see if you then decide to fit a proper inlet manifold to regain the lost power.

[MFree]

I'd like to see that. It will be interesting to see if you then decide to fit a proper inlet manifold to regain the lost power.

Let's just wait and see shall we?

I actually *DID* go in Jay's E30 with the 3.2 Zoom conversion, and it went like stink and sounded free flowing and great!

I am not a dyno though! But I look forward to putting my dyno graph where my mouth is!!! LOL

MFree...

[tourerti]

Many people will say the intake is a crappy design and yet when they go to a quarter mile event they hit early 14 seconds at best, this doesnt compete to the 12.81 achieved at Bruntingthorpe Proving Ground at Terminal Velocity does it.
When the standard setup gets these sorts of times it will be time for John to change the intake to the original, Untill then I suggest he keep to his design.
When Top Gear quote "This early 1990`s BMW has a sting in its tail to wipe the smile off many a modern day fezza owners face" we know its all good

[kam-325i]

This story is now a folk legend, i was telling to a fellow E30 driver about this and even he mentioned about Jays exploits........ and they were not pleasent.......

[buster]

Top gear ? Is it going on the show or has it been in the mag ?

[Kos]

Many people will say the intake is a crappy design and yet when they go to a quarter mile event they hit early 14 seconds at best, this doesnt compete to the 12.81 achieved at Bruntingthorpe Proving Ground at Terminal Velocity does it.
When the standard setup gets these sorts of times it will be time for John to change the intake to the original, Untill then I suggest he keep to his design.
When Top Gear quote "This early 1990`s BMW has a sting in its tail to wipe the smile off many a modern day fezza owners face" we know its all good

GO AWAY!!

[MFree]

Kos - leave it mate... its just gonna create more friction!

Thats been said a good few times as well, as this thread is not the place to vent personal spleen at Toureti or Jay or anyone right? I started it and have stopped it too, so please let's not start it up again, at lease his post was ON TOPIC!!!

'Nuff said...

Eeezy mate

Later 'n all

///MFree

[tourerti]

It was tested at Terminal Velocity using the very highest level of timing gear, the driver was Jason Green who is a cart driver by profession and the times were verified and printed in top gear magazine as well as on the Bravo sky channel when they covered the event.
It is easy to call someone a liar but when it is proven do you not think it time to stop the jibes as it makes you look silly.
If it were unfounded with no proof then yes it would be wise but when so many people were there and with so many whitnesses and media there it is really time to admit that the conversion works and it works well.
It is the nearest 99% of the people here would ever come to having a decent E30 anyway so enjoy the fact a fellow owner had something to be proud of.

[buster]

It is the nearest 99% of the people here would ever come to having a decent E30 anyway so enjoy the fact a fellow owner had something to be proud of.

Mine is a decent e30 thanks ,just got better with the s50 though.

MFree,
You got any more pics yet then ?

[Kos]

Kos - leave it mate... its just gonna create more friction!

Thats been said a good few times as well, as this thread is not the place to vent personal spleen at Toureti or Jay or anyone right? I started it and have stopped it too, so please let's not start it up again, at lease his post was ON TOPIC!!!

'Nuff said...

Eeezy mate

Later 'n all

///MFree

i will mate,
so whats happening with the car at the mo, you looking to have it all dine by the spring when the shows start up??

[MFree]

Any guesses where we are at?

Go on... I'll give you a chance to guess (Bootyman, Kos and Jay can't pipe up as they know pretty much...)

bear in mind the ahem... 'Pedigree' of the project: botched, raped, ignored, rebuilt and more by 5 separate 'specialists' (in the LOOsest sense of the definition of 'specialist' focusing mainly on the 'LOO' or toilet part...) since 2001.

I think the last update i did was back in October last year where Zoom had gotten the drivetrain and suspension, brakes etc on leaving the interior, some panels and the aero kit to do...

///MFree

[bootyman]

I wont comment, but the fact that this thread has now hit 10 pages says it all about the ups and downs of this project

[MFree]

Orwight Bootsie...

Ups and downs? UPS AND DOWNS? *UPS AND BLEEDIN DOWNS*??

I dont remember seeing any UPS!!! 'Down down deeper and down' as the 'Quo' used to sing...

I got your message BTW but we need to speak as im gonna go with bob...

I wanna talk about YOUR transplant though as I have a good idea for how to sort it...

maybe...

call me later mate

MFree...

p.s - folk legend? FOLK LEGEND? What? This?? Oh FOLK OFF is it!!! Its actually more like a metaphorical headache gotten by trying to shit a pineapple or pass John Moffat through my JapEye!!! HASSLE-CITY - INCOMPETENTS-VILLE - Geddit???