If you had to build??

[fuzzy]

cosworth........or the 3.5

[Andy335Touring]

Si, you would struggle to feel any differance in handling between an M20 E30 and an M30 E30 with the engine mounted snug to the bulkhead like mine.

Ask Mr E, he has driven it (obviously)

[Project_E30]

Go drive a cerbera and when you reach 60 in 3.8 and continue at that rate past 100. TVR's pull amazingly at high speed compaired to most that get to 60 and slow down.

How many cars do that, reach 190mph standard and you can pick them up for Ԛ£20,000 for a lush looking one.

Plus when you bomb past BMW's, Merc's etc on the autoban who are pottering at 155 and you wiz past at 190 and they are not even sure what over took they just hear the roar of english hand assembled engineering.

Drive one and you'll love it!!

[Simon13]

I was trying to persuade to 2.7 andy! bend the truth all that

I like yours alot, mental quick for an E30. It's just that i am not ready for an M30 in this stage of my life guys, k?

[Simon13]

Si, you would struggle to feel any differance in handling between an M20 E30 and an M30 E30 with the engine mounted snug to the bulkhead like mine.

Ask Mr E, he has driven it (obviously)

it's only about 25kg isn't it? aslong as u mount the engine close to the bulkhead as poss innit?

[fuzzy]

im sure i would love a tvr if i could afford one...but dont they have reliability problems?

[stevetigger]

[stevetigger]

Si, you would struggle to feel any differance in handling between an M20 E30 and an M30 E30 with the engine mounted snug to the bulkhead like mine.

Ask Mr E, he has driven it (obviously)

What postion is yours in??? 1, 2 or 3

[Andy335Touring]

3

or the same as an Alpina B6 as i found out at the Donny show

[m-dtech]

if you have an m20 in the car fit the 2.7

if you dont fit the 3.5 !

michael

[sheldo]

I'd personally go with a 2.7 because i've been in a few and just love the way they go and dont seem to affect handling to much. Not only that but they look just like the original 2.5 lump. A 2.7 tunned is a sleeper and a hell of a weapon.

Having said that i've not been in a car with an m30 so can't give the best advice just my opinion.

My cab goes in next week for a full 2.7 rebuild, can't wait to start running it in and then get it setup.

[Dan318-is]

Go drive a cerbera and when you reach 60 in 3.8 and continue at that rate past 100. TVR's pull amazingly at high speed compaired to most that get to 60 and slow down.

How many cars do that, reach 190mph standard and you can pick them up for Ԛ£20,000 for a lush looking one.

Plus when you bomb past BMW's, Merc's etc on the autoban who are pottering at 155 and you wiz past at 190 and they are not even sure what over took they just hear the roar of english hand assembled engineering.

Drive one and you'll love it!!

too true

[koos]

Plus when you bomb past BMW's, Merc's etc on the autoban who are pottering at 155 and you wiz past at 190

Well i would much rather be in a BMW or Mercedes at 190 than in a kit car, granted that they do sound nice but the build quality ?
What would it look like in a smash at 50, sort of like the Mini and F150 pics that are on another thread.

[Simon13]

my neighbour bought a new tvr cerbera sp? in 2002, it came back on a tow truck about 4 times in the first 6 months. crap

get your new M5 de limited or AMG65 and watch those go past at 200mph 5 up with a boot full of luggage whilst your in the TVR with only room for your pants for the next day

[buster]

TVR sound nice but ,kit car type build,crappy fibre glass body,dodgy electrics.Fast,yeah they weigh as much as a shopping trolly thats why.And i know which one id rather have a crash in.

[Dan318-is]

dodgy electrics - too true

my dads had 3 tvr, all have needed electirical work

[M5pilot]

I'd still buy a TVR, Ive driven a Griffith500 and while it might not be the most reliable thing on earth to experience acceleration like that is something else.

I didnt get to go round any major bends fast so dont know how they handle but what an experience!

Shame about the build quailty and reliability.

2.5 Turbo.......stil gets my vote. You dont need to remove your engine, its all about bolting bits on then tackling the fuelling issue wich Ant seems to have mastered with his Megasquirt.

[stevetigger]

3

or the same as an Alpina B6 as i found out at the Donny show

You have to cut the bulk head for that position, right??
If so was it easy??

[Andy335Touring]

No cutting on mine, i think you might have to cut the bulkhead if you use P3 with the early M30 with the coolant pipe on the back of the head, not a problem if you use an E34 donor.

The bulk head did need a little hammering to gain some extra clearance to put the top gear box bolts in, but this might not be needed if you can fit the engine/gear box/cross member as one peice from underneith ?

[Moofles]

what do you mean what do i know? i can read 218hp & 229lb-ft and three point five f*cking litres!

we're in the modern era here guys! it's 60s engineering as wil says.

and a 2.8 z3 is faster than a 325i/about as fast as a 327i, if the fact that i "apparently" hadn't been in anything as powerful as a 325i/327i actually mattered.

i think 350hp from a 4.5 litre v8 isn't too bad, and that'd be a bottom end of the scale figure as that's just what people rate them as having at least, seeing as they are factory rated at 420hp.

Just cos it's light doesn't mean the engine shouldn't be a decent tuned level.

simon, what on earth do you call an m30 in an e30 then???

And what the f*ck is this m62 shit from bmw then? 286hp from 4.4 litres? but that's ok...cos it's bmw? whatever...

a new m5 costs way more than a cerbera, that's the point - it's supercar performance for much less money. If you had unlimitless money you probably wouldn't "settle" for a damn m5, anyway...

if you want to stuff an m30 in your e30, and watch as everyone laughs at you when petrol drains straight through the "modern" engine, be my guest.[/quote]

[Russ]

Come on Adam - You *know* that TVRs suck ass. They are crude, slow, they dont sound anywhere near as good as "my mates M- Free" *and* I've already shown you all the evidence that they are terrible in a crash.

Cant you see? Are you completly blinded in your hatred of E30s? E30s rule! There is no better car available. Its true. The sooner you learn it the better buddy.

[Simon13]

howabout the S62 then 5.0 litres and 400bhp?

Or the M62 4.4 with a supercharger and 500bhp and over 500lbs of torque. I doubt TVR could ever manage that

Yes, M30 are very old and so are M20's. M20 engine was a bit de tuned for insurance ratings. Plus they were setup to give better economy, over performance as in their day they were quite a tool.

Howabout a secondhand M5 E39 under 20 grand now getting cheaper by the day. M5's are subtle which adds to the appeal. Unlike a TVR.........

Rebuild my engine for the second time please! My tvr has "managed" 50,000miles!

Adam why are u even on here?! To broaden our horizons?! I had words with your boss on Sunday to give u the pump!

[stevetigger]

No cutting on mine, i think you might have to cut the bulkhead if you use P3 with the early M30 with the coolant pipe on the back of the head, not a problem if you use an E34 donor.

The bulk head did need a little hammering to gain some extra clearance to put the top gear box bolts in, but this might not be needed if you can fit the engine/gear box/cross member as one peice from underneith ?

Me thinks position three then, you can keep the fan on then also!!

[Moofles]

howabout the S62 then 5.0 litres and 400bhp?

that's about the same as the AJP V8 you mentioned earlier....!

Or the M62 4.4 with a supercharger and 500bhp and over 500lbs of torque. I doubt TVR could ever manage that

so you want to throw FI into the ring eh? that's a whole different ball game and plenty manage it better than bmw!

Yes, M30 are very old and so are M20's. M20 engine was a bit de tuned for insurance ratings. Plus they were setup to give better economy, over performance as in their day they were quite a tool.

No idea wh you mentioned m20, i said to pick that over m30. m20 is reasonable. m30, to me, isn't.

Howabout a secondhand M5 E39 under 20 grand now getting cheaper by the day. M5's are subtle which adds to the appeal. Unlike a TVR.........

and e39 m5's aren't as fast as tvr's. subtle is good, in your opinion!

Rebuild my engine for the second time please! My tvr has "managed" 50,000miles!

ha, you have a fair point here, and i admit that, unlike lots of other people!

Adam why are u even on here?! To broaden our horizons?! I had words with your boss on Sunday to give u the pump!

no real interest in hearing b*llocks like that. how about a nice fact of the day - if anyone got fired like that, in this situation, with the knowledge that you could have done that - it'd be a discrimination and unfair dismissal case. Plus the fact that i hardly think he would give a t*ss and fire me for you! About as likely as him firing you.

[Simon13]

Don't leave your humour at home. And turn up to a bloody the Ace cafe sometime

[6potWil6pot]

You should just ignore M00fles when hes in 1 of his moods, hes only trying to bait you all

[Moofles]

sorry mate. had a bad day today, and last night too, and i half expect this (i.e. not joking!) from people on the zone cos you do get a lot of hardcore e30'ers...sorry again.

and wil - lol! (nothing else to say about that!)

[Fushion_Julz]

if the choice was between a 2.7 m20 an 3.5 m30

IT HAS TO BE M30 SURELY!

bags more torque an much more unique an theres always the turbo route

and its chain driven rightness

Plus loads of extra weight over the front wheels!

Kinda all depends on what you are trying to acheive, innit?

Do you want just the best acceleration? If so, smaller engine...perhaps S14 2.5l...and lighten the car as much as possible

Do you want big top speeds? If so, bigger block, keeping it still as light as you can, perhaps with forced induction...

Do you want responsiveness? Then it has to be a light, short stroke engine with, preferably, multivalve....S14/S38 etc...

Horses for courses...

But the easiest transplants are gonna be with engines that are already made to fit the E30 shell....

Personally, I'd go for lightening the shell as much as possible...It makes it a hell of a lot more fun to drive, plus easier on the brakes and suspension.
Power to weight ratio is what you need to look at...

170bhp M20 in 1200Kg
230bhp M30 in 1500Kg
230bhp S14 in 1000kg

Which do you think will be faster, more fun and easier?

[Jhonno]

wtf? m30 doesnt weigh 300kgs more

[6potWil6pot]

And the S14 isnt "that" light

Dammn M00fles, horses for courses!

[Russ]

Adam - Dont apologise for holding an opinion. Controversey leads to the best disccussions.

Interesting point about TVR engine rebuilds though. To be fair, back in the day when they were using the RV8 there was never any problem, it was only when the took the engine design in house that they started to get a few issues.

In fact, the Speed Six Cerbs were generally fine, it was a problem with the finger followers on the early Tuscan Speed Sixes that lead to the rebuilds. I'm pretty sure its been sorted by now.

[d6dph]

my neighbour bought a new tvr cerbera sp? in 2002, it came back on a tow truck about 4 times in the first 6 months. crap

get your new M5 de limited or AMG65 and watch those go past at 200mph 5 up with a boot full of luggage whilst your in the TVR with only room for your pants for the next day

have they made the luggage area bigger?

tvr's are awesome cars but i have seen one get written off after the chassis rails rusted away in about 5 years!
oh and they stink inside of fibreglass!!

[Fushion_Julz]

wtf? m30 doesnt weigh 300kgs more

Nope, it doesn't..but by the time you add the extra weight for the suspension, brakes, cooling, etc, it will come to more than a lightened standard car....

[Dan318-is]

dont ge tme wrong

id choose an s14 over an m30 anyday of teh week

but its the cost of the things, you need new prop and diff and box etc and they guzzzle fuel too an where the fuck do u find someone breaking an m3!?

[Fushion_Julz]

And the S14 isnt "that" light

Dammn M00fles, horses for courses!

Again, it isn't...but it is lighter than the M20, produces more power (and more than a std M30 which it is significantly lighter than)..It also means you can loose more weight from the car rather than put it on...

OK, I exageratted, but a 1100Kg S14 engined car is a real possibility, probably spending about the same as a turbo'd M20 or M30....

I know which one I'd rather drive!