This had to be saved! Alpina B10 3.5

[Felix79]

Can you retro fit or even fit the twin tubos ect or would a LHD engine needed to be used?

[Kos]

Can you retro fit or even fit the twin tubos ect or would a LHD engine needed to be used?

and then what re badge it a Bi turbo ?


god you are stupid

[Felix79]

Can you retro fit or even fit the twin tubos ect or would a LHD engine needed to be used?

and then what re badge it a Bi turbo ?


god you are stupid

I was thinking more about making it faster , last time I checked you use turbos to make a car go faster not for badges?

[Simon13]

correct felix ignore cos, Dan it has to be a LHD car because the turbos are in the way of the steering linkage on a right hooker.

[Simon13]

They only list 3 cams for the M30 now and that part number doesn't match anything on their catalogue

the only one listed for motronic 2 or 9/83 onwards is a 284/280 so its probably that?

[Kos]

Can you retro fit or even fit the twin tubos ect or would a LHD engine needed to be used?

and then what re badge it a Bi turbo ?


god you are stupid

I was thinking more about making it faster , last time I checked you use turbos to make a car go faster not for badges?

correct felix ignore cos, Dan it has to be a LHD car because the turbos are in the way of the steering linkage on a right hooker.

si, thats unusally nice for you, daft comments normally get a blunt reply from you

dan, as simon says bi turbos are LHD for a reason, there is no space for the turbos. and a LHD engine is the same as a RHD engine. thinking a LHD drive engine differs is as bad as beliving that there are screw drivers for left handed people

the bi turbo engines differ internally, different pistons/compression and management are some of the differences. then there's the gearbox to worry about, the bi turbo's were manual and had seriously strong gear box to deal with the power/torque made.

finding the correct manifold is near impossible

not only is your comment stupid, its also ignorant. why would some one want to heavily modify such a car? the value of them is in the originality ? a few choice mods like barry fitting leather sprts seats will make it more desirable, but such engine mods will bastardise it. it reminds me of the time you were saying yo'd put an m30 in to your old alpina and "re badge" it, hence the re badging comment. you cant just simply re badge a car if you change the engine. if i put an s14 in to an bog standard 316i can i cll it a 320is or an M3 ? No

you post up on your scooby build thread, talking the talk like you know a few things about cars, but you dont. you never had a clue about BMW's you never learnt much about them either so now is is the time to learn about you current car, so go back to reading up on scoobys

barry, sorry for going off topic, but some one needs to tell dan how it is.

[Rav335uk]

[if i put an s14 in to an bog standard 216i can i cll it a 320is or an M3 ? No

216i???

[Andyboy]

[if i put an s14 in to an bog standard 216i can i cll it a 320is or an M3 ? No

216i???

It'd be one of the fastest Rovers out there. D reg in Moonraker blue, pull the S Series Montego lump out and drop in a transverse S14. I'd recommend using the Honda sourced box from the Montego Turbo though.

Back on topic, Pete must be in mourning. If he's knockn about the knobbly stick, he'd have been dropping a standard 535i head on there.

That should go well with a manual box in there.

[Kos]

[if i put an s14 in to an bog standard 216i can i cll it a 320is or an M3 ? No

216i???

FFS lol fucking typo !

Ok. 316 and OP corrected

[Low_E30]

Here's one in green that needs work....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-E34-Alpi ... 3a6a006cd3

[Rav335uk]

It's on pistonheads too

[leeparkes]

Here's one in green that needs work....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-E34-Alpi ... 3a6a006cd3

That doesnt have the B10 engine.

spoke to BMW Sytner who carried out the Alpina conversions in the early 90's. They didn't have full details of the car but they did confirm that they carried out a 'B3.5' conversion in 1990. Note that this is not a full B10 conversion despite the boot badge.

Nice chariot all the same

[Rodderz]

Here's one in green that needs work....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-E34-Alpi ... 3a6a006cd3

That car will be best broken. Unfortunately the current owner thought he had bought a B10, but it's a B3.5!

[e30topless]

Lol! The mrs would have had something to say no doubt! Thanks again Lee!

Well crisis over. A replacement rad, new fan shroud, a new viscous and belt, fresh coolant and we are back in business!

Here is a pic from yesterday.



Bit better eh?

that looks much better Barry !

Have you fitted the leatherzz yet ?

[E30BeemerLad]

That looks a smart barge. Do you reckon orange front indicators would improve the front end look?

[Andyboy]

1988 B10 = agreed value classic car insurance. A lot less dollar, and a proper payout if it gets spanked/nicked etc.

[Andyboy]

That looks a smart barge. Do you reckon orange front indicators would improve the front end look?

Not sure. Worth a try - but i tried ambers on my 318iS (the same Alpina White 11) and it looked a bit crap tbh so the clearz stayed on.

[bss325i]

Just the seats so far Steve as i couldn't be doing with sitting on the skanky old blue velerzz! Buffalo hide FTW! They need a clean and feed but they are in very nice condition.

I will be fitting some of the other black interior parts this week so will update later but i will have to bear the blue carpet until the A/C heater box is fitted later in the year.

As part of the deal there was a choice of Alpina steering wheels so i went for this one, an unused ex display one from L&C Tunbridge Wells that Pete got during a stock clearance or something.

Check out the blue stitching and fresh grain to the leather! Most of these 4 spoke Alpina steering wheels are skanky now after 20 years of sweaty hands and they are NLA unlike the 3 spoke one i have in my E30.





And a few more pics i took yesterday.

[bss325i]

That looks a smart barge. Do you reckon orange front indicators would improve the front end look?

Not sure how to go with them. I have the later clear rears to fit and see how i feel but i have contemplated going for orange all round.

[leeparkes]

Is there any relevance to the number on the Alpina sticker?

Mine reads 13 56 625.

[bss325i]

Is there any relevance to the number on the Alpina sticker?

Mine reads 13 56 625.

623 is for engine B11 and B11/1

625 is for engine B11/2 and B11/3

Basically the 623 is for the early version of the B11 engine which is the 11th type of Alpina M30 engine.

[oguz327]

Nice Barry, look forward to a passenger run at one of the meets

[bss325i]

1988 B10 = agreed value classic car insurance. A lot less dollar, and a proper payout if it gets spanked/nicked etc.

Its a fiver cheaper per month than my E46 328Ci was!

[leeparkes]

623 is for engine B11 and B11/1

625 is for engine B11/2 and B11/3

Basically the 623 is for the early version of the B11 engine which is the 11th type of Alpina M30 engine.

Ah, That makes sense now, ive always wondered why my engine number starts B11/2



Do you know the change over dates and whats different between the four engines?


Nice find on the Shrick.
Ive heard and seen so many times that M30 cams wear on cylinders 1 and 6 where the spray bar has'nt done its job at idle.
Maybe this is what killed the pina cam? Banjo bolts have also been known to come loose too.

Its very common to do the spray bar mod where the centre is crimped in a vice to give more pressure at the two end cylinders.

[B7]

That looks a smart barge. Do you reckon orange front indicators would improve the front end look?

Not sure how to go with them. I have the later clear rears to fit and see how i feel but i have contemplated going for orange all round.

Stick with the Ambers.

1) being white, clears are all too much
2) E34's are like E30's. I don't think BMW ever offered a white option? I may be wrong on that with the last of the 3.8 m5s but they were not like e36's where clears were an option at the main dealers?

[Splondike]

Looks nice now you have cleaned it up Barry. Will make a nice, and different, chariot to smoke around in

[e30topless]

I prefer Orange,
this one just sold on ebay and that had clears all round , was it something that Alpina did to the B10 ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270811585813? ... 1423.l2649

[Rodderz]

Orange. My 964 had clear indicators when I got it, but like most owners I have put ambers back on it. Looks much better.

[cee]

Bummer about the blinds!

E34's are a lot better than E30's for rot but the sills and bottom of the wings can get frilly especially on ones with plastic skirts. Rear arches near the sill as well.

Here you go

Ratlook?

[Felix79]

I really love that side on pic. Really got some presence about it

[Andyboy]

Do you know the change over dates and whats different between the four engines?


Nice find on the Shrick.
Ive heard and seen so many times that M30 cams wear on cylinders 1 and 6 where the spray bar has'nt done its job at idle.
Maybe this is what killed the pina cam? Banjo bolts have also been known to come loose too.

Its very common to do the spray bar mod where the centre is crimped in a vice to give more pressure at the two end cylinders.

Not 100% sure on engine types, but I seem to recall it was about compression ratios, cars with catalysts and ones with the EML electronic throttle. They all had the longer M5 con rods.

The banjo bolt issue has been cured now with the latest type bolts - these have ready-dried threadlock on them so as long as you clean out the threaded oil holes in the head with carb cleaner, they won't come loose again. They should be tightened to 13nm with new alloy sealing washers every time. I've always removed the banjos, turned the spray bar through 180 degrees with a pair of pliers on the crimped end, and run a 1.5mm or 2mm drill bit through all the oil holes to open them up a bit. You get more oil flow, far less chance of a blockage and it doesn't reduce the oil pressure at all. I've seen a race engine with the bar swapped around (back to front) and an extra six holes drilled so that all 12 lobes get theit own oil - as standard, the oil flows from six holes only and is aimed between two lobes - but manages to get onto them okay. If you fit the spray bar the wrong way around, oil only lubricates the inlet lobes, leaving the exhaust ones to run dry.
I copied this racing mod on an old 735i with the most utterly borked cam, and it made it a lot quieter!
Never seen the crimping mod to the spray bar but you shouldn't need to. With a clear spray bar, cylinders 1 and 6 get plenty of oil - the cam in mine has done almost 300'000. It's all about regular oil changes and making sure the banjos are tight enough. If you over tighten them just slightly, you'll just flatten the alloy washers and create a big oil leak. Before refitting the cam cover, fire the engine up, let it idle and make sure all six holes are pumping oil and that there is no oil escaping from the banjos.

[goosiegander]

Any updates dude?

[bss325i]

Yes! A small tale of woe but easily sorted when i get the time.

[SteSE]

Barry you old dog, nice ride!

[bss325i]

Well things have kind of not panned out the way i thought they would as this turd had sat round the back of my flat since i bought it in August!

This has meant that instead of being pressed into daily service as initially intended, i have been using my E30 every day instead but thats no bad thing and has been very enjoyable especially with the unusually good weather for september/october but this wont last long so i need to get my arse into gear with the B10 and make it usable.

As with a lot of things, when planning work on a car, it can snowball into a mammoth task with the subsequent "while im there" tasks mounting up and the B10 is no exception!
I have also amassed a considerable selection of parts and donor car or two!:mad:

Sooo, this has left me with a long list of jobs to takle and time is not on my side what with work and family but i have allocated the last week of this month to do a major blitz of some of the list. There will be the usual updates on here.