waxoyl . . .2 small pics

[ali50ferrari]

hmm the time has come to waxoyl my car, next month sept 17th its goin in for a mini resto and im looking to waxoyl it underneath and in the nooks and crannies, any advice or info will be highly appreciated.

how do i remove the sound deadening from the bonnet? was looking to put a large cloth over the engine bay, start wiping it as it is really brittle then when i get to the glue or sticky bit use wd40 or a degreasant and get it all off then panel wipe and put the new one on? again advice appreciated

what waxoyl should i buy, (wanna pick some up today)
how much quantiy to do the entire underneath and any extra bits?
replacing both the wings shall i cover the inner wings and also the inside of the wing with waxoyl?
im putting on tec 1 skirts taking off the hartge 1s is it ok to treat any surface rust and coat it in waxoyl?
im amateur to this so heeeeeeeeeeellllpppp!!!!
loads of pics will be coming soon

ps if its in the wrong section mods please feel free to move it!

[polsta]

im not an expert , but-

waxoyl, you buy in a spray or big metal canister and applicator, you head the can up by a gentle heater/radiator/sit in hot water etc, and with the applicator, or the nozzle on the can- spray it in the chassis via little holes, and the nooks and crannies etc and it dries and protects, get it right inside

but its not a sealer/underside type thing

for the underside etc you dont use waxoyl, underneath on the bottom of the car,inside wings etc, you can use the hammerite with waxoil brush on type stuff like a paint, but its better to get the car on a ramp, buy the proper sealant, and re seal it, not waxoyl it, theres proper bmw oem stuff you can get and an applicator,cant seem to find it in my bookmarks, get that stuff and do a proper job

the sound deadening stuff... take the bonnet off and lay it on a blanket on grasss/something, and do it that way, its a right pig of a job mate, need to do mine on the sport over the winter

[polsta]

ah ive found it

read this, waxoiling the chassis,nooks,crannies, and under sealing, are different things/jobs


http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=169295

[ali50ferrari]

Cheers polsta i will make use of this

[Speedtouch]

I'd recommend at least 5 litres of the clear Waxoyl - you can use black but it's *very* messy stuff!

Stand it in a bucket of hot water to get it really liquid prior to spraying. And beware the Waxoyl hand sprayers, as they tend to easily clog up or fall apart in use and shoot the stuff everywhere!

Amazon are doing a good deal on it - it's normally about £35 from Halfords:

[penton08]

Waxoil goes every where on the underside of my car, And i would not use the horrible paint on goo anywhere!!

To treat the under side...

The main thing you need to do is get it CLEAN and DRY!!! Remove all the wheels, arch liners, under trays and covers and pressure wash and/or scrub with a nail brush and even a toothbrush for the hard to reach parts. Waxoil is best applied with a proper gun and compressed air.

To treat cavities and inside.....

Remove as much interior and trim as you possibly can (carpet included) and go mad with it!!!! once it has hardened (2/3 days), give any drain holes a good poke to make sure you have not blocked them.

I have around 10 liters of it in and around my car

[ali50ferrari]

easy penton that must weigh your car down lol
went to the local shop and brought some just now mainly undersealer and the gun to use with it opinions oh and penton you worked on lil in the past has it been waxoyled before?

say like i find a patch of rust like superficial rub it down to bare metal then coated it with waxoyl is that ok ? to be more than honest im not even amateur lol well at this anyway



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[penton08]

I could not say for sure, But I don't think it has been waxoiled before. I personally don't like that schutz shite, It is for covering up bodged repairs imo.

If you find any rust (It was fairly rot free) Clean it up, use a etch primer and paint it properly before waxoiling with the proper waxoil (like your small aerosol) It can be bought in 5L tins and you need a gun similar to the one you have but with its own tank and a long probe on the nozzle to run off a compressor.

And the weight of my waxoil is the tip of a very heavy iceberg

[polsta]

that schultz stuff, is for things like the sills and stuff

its a nice looking bmw e30 cabby you have there.. you want to fully research this and use the right stuff, dont just go gun ho spraying shultz n stuff underneath the car

shultz is used for example when you have welding done , they can shultz it over to protect it etc aswell, you know sometimes in an engine cay you might see a battery tray repair or a plate somewhere and its thick black stuff over, thats schultz they just spray a bit over

to quote brianmoore from that thread...

although on the link looks like they no longer sell that stuff, thats the stuff you want to put under arches and all under the car, the proper sealant bmw use, NOT SCHULTZ OR WAXOYL

http://www.consumablesexpress.co.uk/aca ... alers.html
SM08800 is the sealant and SM08801 the tool to apply it with.
Please don't use shultz bitumen based stuff on a BMW. This stuff is for postponing the inevitable death of rusty scrap from lesser manufacturers for a few more years.

FERTAN... google it, is awsome stuff for rust, its for yachts n marine use, like kurust type stuff but an industrial quality stuff, really really good... any rust once rbbed down etc,or things like little rust scabs, inar arch lips, rust patches on things like the bottom of the bmw e30 jack, put fertan on it, leave 24 hrs...then paint over it , awsome stuff

[polsta]

that little can of waxoyl wont go far, take it all back, get a big tin of waxoyl like linked above, and an applicator

you sit the tin by a heater or in hot water , and heat it so it liquifies/goes more runny, and then jsut dspray it all in cavities in the chassis, inside the boot lower bits maybe, doors, all inside the sills etc- it goes runny in to all the cavities etc and then hardens and protects

and like brian says- dont go gun ho spraying schultz under a classic bmw cabby !!

if you had a shitter old vauxhal and had plates put in the sills that was an old banger type car, or an old beater builders van etc, you just scultz over the plates etc when you dont really care

its not for a classic bmw underside really !!! research it and do it properly

[ali50ferrari]

thanks for the replies people, the stuff i got pictured is what the shop told me to use instead of waxoyl they said waxoyl was for the inside, the lil can is jus for the inside, i.e behind the door cards etc front and rear
can someone show me a link for the quality undersealing item and i will return the 2 schutz sealer no good if it cracks and lets moisture behind!

[polsta]

waxoyl is for the inside !!! its for in the chassis and caverties, hence why you need a bigger load of it

shultz can be used on outside and is for that, however its not for a classic bmw and you shouldnt be putting it on one , get the proper sealant....

[ali50ferrari]

whats the name of the proper sealant someone showme the item i will return them 2 schutz tomorrow!!!

[kunjani]

from what I understand from this thread Ali, This is the proper stuff

http://www.consumablesexpress.co.uk/aca ... alers.html
SM08800 is the sealant and SM08801 the tool to apply it with.

[kunjani]

Great read guys, I am soon to do mine and thought waxol was for the exterior to - glad we got that straightend out!

Good luck Ali, From one novice to another - keep me posted on how it goes!

[ali50ferrari]

thanks kunjani, the guns steep tho price wise innit ill stick to the gun i got just get a different sealant the reason why im not buyin that 1 is because im not paying 45 for the gun and 15 for the sealant and only use it for that, atleast with that gun i got today i can use it else where if need be, yes im tight!!! so any other options for underbody sealant?

[polsta]

thats the proper sealant bmw use, and they use it for a reason, whats £60 to protect an e30 underside for another 20 years ? dont scrimp on im an important job or cowboy it, and youl need to get the car on a ramp to do it probably

[ali50ferrari]

that is 17.47 for 250mlfor a litre its 69.88 for the sealant alone and 45 for the gun adds up real soon so all im asking for is an alternative!! not cowboy jus poor boy lol

[ali50ferrari]

So it seems nobody has an alternative?

[Speedtouch]

You could try some Military grade rust-proofer if you're feeling flush:

http://www.rust.co.uk/popup.cfm?p_i=487952&p_n=487952

http://www.rocol.com/corp/index.php?opt ... Itemid=445

[e30topless]

I'd recommend at least 5 litres of the clear Waxoyl - you can use black but it's *very* messy stuff!

Stand it in a bucket of hot water to get it really liquid prior to spraying. And beware the Waxoyl hand sprayers, as they tend to easily clog up or fall apart in use and shoot the stuff everywhere!

Amazon are doing a good deal on it - it's normally about £35 from Halfords:

^^^ this is the best way , make sure the underside is steam cleaned/jetwashed and left to dry before it's applied, no point in covering up the muck !

once a car is shultzed it's fooked ! the horrid black tar just covers up the sins

clear Hammerite waxoil is the best IMO,

[ali50ferrari]

THANK YOU!!! Will return the schutz tomorrow and get that waxoyl that is ok to use underneath yes?

[e30topless]

yes waxoil is ok everywhere but it takes some time to dry thoroughly, best if you can leave the car parked up for a few days after it's done

[Speedtouch]

Yes, Waxoyl is fine both inside cavities and on the underside. Try to keep it off the exhaust and brakes though!

[ali50ferrari]

Yh me amd my mate doin a mini mini resto so it will be on axle stands for afew days.

[ali50ferrari]

So i got 2 cans of this i got the right stuff yes for underneath the car????

[polsta]

like i said, and like it says on the tin....spray INSIDE doors, panels,other INTERNAL structures

ok maybe it can be put on outer things if you wont buy proper sealer and do a decent job, but its not for that and probably wont alst too long on inside of arches and underneath on the bottom of the car

[Speedtouch]

I've used it on the underside and inside, and it seems to last fairly well:

[polsta]

to be fair, them pics show places it can/shoudl be used in, but you can see by its texture etc- its not the underside

he wants stuff that you put on the arches insides and inner walls and on the bottom of the floor pans/whole underside of the car, to protect it, waxoyl sprayed under there as a finish , wont be good enough and wont last will it, plus it will look terrible and messy as fook

this is what its for, so you then put door cards etc over, aswell as doing it all in the chassis etc , its not for coating the underneath for weather protection etc like a proper sealant

[Speedtouch]

Fair comment, obviously that proper underbody sealant is best, but with my car above, the underside was already painted by the previous owner in Finnegans No.1 primer then Hammerite, and being just a DIY-er, I didn't have access to the equipment needed to apply sealer.

I have previously used Waxoyl on the undersides of my cars, including BMW E30s, and it generally lasts quite well.

[ali50ferrari]

what about tetroseal undersealant over the waxoyl?

[polsta]

im not an expert and dont really know, but i guess youd not want to put a sealer over waxoil, waxoil is a waxy oil, sealer over it wont stick, and waxoil needs to be re done every so often

i used hammerite with waxoil brush on stuff on cars before is good stuff, you must ensure the surface is as clean as possible no dirt or dust or grease etc, inside arches etc you scrape all and any dirt off with a scraper etc

but again, on a nice e30 cabby you shouldnt scrimp and use decent stuff, even if it means waiting/saving a bit more, at the end of the day the difference your trying to save is the price of a good night out, against properly protecting your nice classic bmw car for years to come...

[m8782538]

sorry for the hijack, but what is used on the front and rear valances to give the texture finish, i am repairing mine and there is some filler involved which will be smooth and look totally wrong, i can either coat it and set it all looking OE, or i can smooth it all down and respray (going to be re-sprayed anyway).

[powelly]

Wurth stuff is excellent, if you get the pressure right on the gun the finish is just right, I just did a blow in with it on my rear valance, I also used it on my sills, get the black stuff, it's a really nice finish. U-pol do a product called gravitex which is vey good too.

Use this underneath

http://www.wurth.co.uk/catalogue/pdfs/UK-CD_08_0545.pdf

and this on your sills and valances

http://www.wurth.co.uk/catalogue/pdfs/UK-CD_08_0566.pdf

Waxoyl is just a brand name, the correct term is cavity wax, you can buy it in aerosols that come with great big long hoses to get right in to nooks and crannies, they also have 360 degree spray patterns to coat the whole surface, to be honest thats all we use now here at work, I think we use Dinitrol, it's really runny when you spray it but it sets fast and leaves a really good coating, gets in everywhere.

[m8782538]

the wurth stuff for sills and valances, how do i apply, i only have an airbrush for paint touch up, can i use it with this if watered down by the recomended 2%? also how to clean the airbrush afterwards?