Changing a starter on a M5 V10

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Post Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:38 pm

Andyboy wrote:
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Andyboy wrote: The 335i's have a really bad reputation in the USA with a big group of lawsuits. I would still have a 325i manual M Sport Coupe, but a 2006/7 model with the 'old' engine. You don't hear many bad things about those but the 335i's are a bloody disaster.
I will be talking to my boss about this on monday morning :snigger: anything to look out for inpurticular?
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Post Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:39 pm

Another favourite, oil filter on an alfa 156 V6 :cry:
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Post Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:40 pm

DanThe wrote:Another favourite, oil filter on an alfa 156 V6 :cry:
anything on an alfa is a PITA to do!!

lower wishbones are my favourite :-x :-x
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Post Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:41 pm

DanThe wrote:Changed plenty of M50 starters from underneath, autos are a bit more difficult due to space, from memory I think the worst placed starter ive seen was on a merc A class, not done the job but it looked like it was engine out no iffs or buts
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Can you see the little bastard!! :)
Oh yes. 8O

It's funny. 1000 years ago when I did an Alfa apprenticeship, changing the handbrake cable on an Alfasud (which operated the inboard front calipers) was regarded as the very meaning of the word 'bastard'. Open the bonnet of a GTV6 and. Jayzus!! It's got Bosch LE Jetronic!! That's not a carburettor.....it's......FUEL INJECTION!! 8O 8O. Nowadays, both are laughably simple.

Bring back the V V carburettor - all is forgiven. :D
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Post Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:42 pm

DanThe wrote:Another favourite, oil filter on an alfa 156 V6 :cry:
Alfa never anticipated any of their V6 engines to even reach the first service interval Dan, hence the hidden filter !
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Post Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:44 pm

Nowt wrong with the V6, but cambelts are a Bastardos. The TS 1.6-1.8 belts are very easy however.
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Post Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:46 pm

Ha, I wouldnt even attempt a belt with the engine IN the car! Done one on a pallet and its still not straight forward..

ive heard stories of people dropping the subframes to get to the oil filter!
Filter = £6.70
Fitting = £285 :D
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Post Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:51 pm

DanThe wrote:Ha, I wouldnt even attempt a belt with the engine IN the car! Done one on a pallet and its still not straight forward..

ive heard stories of people dropping the subframes to get to the oil filter!
Filter = £6.70
Fitting = £285 :D
I knew someone who did just that. It needed the belt, tensioners, water pump and an exhaust manifold repair. The engine was out in 2 hours, did the various bits and put it back in - not a bad job apparently.
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:37 am

Andyboy wrote: Oh yes. 8O

It's funny. 1000 years ago when I did an Alfa apprenticeship, changing the handbrake cable on an Alfasud (which operated the inboard front calipers) was regarded as the very meaning of the word 'bastard'. :D
So was the Alfetta, with the G/box on the rear too 8O
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:54 am

bss325i wrote:N5x, M5x, N42 all need the inlet manifold removed to change the starter.
not strictly true i did the starter on my 328i and left the inlet on.
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:56 am

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bss325i wrote:N5x, M5x, N42 all need the inlet manifold removed to change the starter.
not strictly true i did the starter on my 328i and left the inlet on.
thats the one where you have to get an extension and "wobbly" socket between the inlet pipes isnt it? I didnt remove the inlet when i did a clutch on an E36 2.8i either..
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:07 pm

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e30topless wrote:newer cars just seem to be way over complex without any future repairs in mind when developing them,

I sadly got involved in changing a headlight on a 2 year old astra last week almost all of the front end had to come off ! very sad.... took most of a morning up to remove 3 screws and swap it for a new one.. 8O
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:09 pm

Cypriotgeeza wrote:
Simon13 wrote:
bss325i wrote:N5x, M5x, N42 all need the inlet manifold removed to change the starter.
not strictly true i did the starter on my 328i and left the inlet on.
thats the one where you have to get an extension and "wobbly" socket between the inlet pipes isnt it? I didnt remove the inlet when i did a clutch on an E36 2.8i either..
You can, but like M54 breathers, it's often quicker to take the inlet manifold off and give yourself unlimited access - and less language.


Rav: Alfetta rear mounted gearboxes. Oh yes.......but compared to todays's stuff, a portion of urine to work on. The clutch is at the back as well.
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:13 pm

Bloody nightmare to work on that thing was, i remember it well, still stuck in my mind :mad:
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:43 pm

This isn't entirely restricted to new cars. Mid 70s Citroën GS exhaust replacement? Engine out.
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:03 pm

Cypriotgeeza wrote:
Simon13 wrote:
bss325i wrote:N5x, M5x, N42 all need the inlet manifold removed to change the starter.
not strictly true i did the starter on my 328i and left the inlet on.
thats the one where you have to get an extension and "wobbly" socket between the inlet pipes isnt it? I didnt remove the inlet when i did a clutch on an E36 2.8i either..
Neither did i when i did the clutch on my E36 328i.
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:44 pm

TBH, i thrive on bigger jobs like this at work.

Beats doing servicing work all day!
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Post Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:55 pm

Just reading through all of this makes me realise how easy computers and networks are compaired to this stuff lol.
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Post Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:17 pm

cecotto479 wrote:This isn't entirely restricted to new cars. Mid 70s Citroën GS exhaust replacement? Engine out.
Austin/Morris 1800 clutch replacement was engine out too. Madness when you could do a Mini/1100 clutch in situ.

Dolomite Sprint downpipe to manifold nuts - muchos bastardos.

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Post Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:24 pm

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cecotto479 wrote:This isn't entirely restricted to new cars. Mid 70s Citroën GS exhaust replacement? Engine out.
Austin/Morris 1800 clutch replacement was engine out too. Madness when you could do a Mini/1100 clutch in situ.
Didn't know that. I just assumed that it'd be the same hour and a half as a mini/1100/Allegro.

Having said that, lifting engine and box out of a FWD BMC/BL chariot isn't exactly a huge job. I lifted a 2200 six cylinder out of a Wolseley land crab well before lunch, including going 40 miles to get it.
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Post Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:48 pm

cecotto479 wrote:
Andyboy wrote:
cecotto479 wrote:This isn't entirely restricted to new cars. Mid 70s Citroën GS exhaust replacement? Engine out.
Austin/Morris 1800 clutch replacement was engine out too. Madness when you could do a Mini/1100 clutch in situ.
Didn't know that. I just assumed that it'd be the same hour and a half as a mini/1100/Allegro.

Having said that, lifting engine and box out of a FWD BMC/BL chariot isn't exactly a huge job. I lifted a 2200 six cylinder out of a Wolseley land crab well before lunch, including going 40 miles to get it.

You guys make me feel relatively normal ! :D

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Post Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:04 pm

this thread started off with a superior V10 M5 donk and has soon been brought down to zone level..
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Post Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:36 pm

From dim and distant memory, the 1800/2200 had a weird 'arse about face' set up with a seperate cover for the idler/primary gear, whilst the Maxi had a bigger version of the Mini arrangement with one big flywheel housing. There was room in the Princess to change the clutch with the engine in place because it had a much wider engine bay.
I hope never to have to find out. With luck, the only time I'll be working on an M5 V10 will be taking the engine out before weighing the shell in. See you all in 2016.
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Post Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:39 pm

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Andyboy wrote:That's nothing for an E65! Wait till the gearbox electronics start playing up. And these shitheaps are now 10 year old technology!
Andy, i have been saying this for a while now.

All these E70's, E65's E60's etc etc when old and not worth a great deal will end up in frag yards because they will be uneconomical to repair.

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Post Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:35 pm

Yep high pressure pumps on a e92 325i too.. Iv done a few too.. Not to mention the 'lovely' 320i petrol engine which shits itself and misfires... What a load of bull... And lambda sensor faults n then u gotta carry out DeNox's n all that...

Forget it...... Old school is the way! I love working on my e30.. So simple and was soo ahead of its time
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Post Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:36 pm

Ajsingh wrote:Yep high pressure pumps on a e92 325i too.. Iv done a few too.. Not to mention the 'lovely' 320i petrol engine which shits itself and misfires... What a load of bull... And lambda sensor faults n then u gotta carry out DeNox's n all that...

Forget it...... Old school is the way! I love working on my e30.. So simple and was soo ahead of its time
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Post Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:42 pm

Anyone ever done a clutch on a mini? The newer ones?

That is an arse!!! Whole front end off, subframe off! Just a mission!!
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Post Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:43 pm

Ajsingh wrote:Anyone ever done a clutch on a mini? The newer ones?

That is an arse!!! Whole front end off, subframe off! Just a mission!!
Mini cooper wasnt too bad..you ever done one on a Cooper S? 8O 8O Never again!
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Post Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:52 pm

E30's, don't you love 'em :D
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Post Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:57 pm

Mini's r shit to work on.. Full stop lol

Soo much fun to drive tho ;)
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Post Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:32 am

This is exactly why I have a dislike for "new" cars,a Renault 5 can be dismantled,pretty much to a shell with with nothing more than a 10,13 & 17mm spanner and one 4mm torx driver.
Unless your names Trev in which case all you need is two things,petrol & a match!

The other day I needed to move one of my part dismantled 5's and this meant swapping carbs,starter motors,front wheel hubs and suspension,clutch cable and battery from one to the other. Hour and half later including fag and coffee breaks,cars were all moved and parked.

Now if you had to do the same on the OP's M5,can you imagine the mammoth task you'd be facing 8O
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Post Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:40 am

Your R5 can be dismantled by the Rain :mad: :wink: , no human involvment needed Rog :D
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Post Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:49 am

:lol: :lol: One of the 5's i had had exactly this done too it Rav,the holes in it were,well,on a scale similar to the hole in the ozone layer 8O
The windscreen I was very nearly able to just lift out where it had rotted all the way around!
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Post Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:29 am

Morat, had never heard of the Africar until you mentioned it, interesting concept
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