My M30 conversion

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Post Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:10 pm

Still making steady progress, collecting parts and getting everything ready. Need to get hold of the bellhousing bolts, probably just get them from BMW as I don't think they will be easy to get 2nd hand. Looked on realoem and they appear to be still available.

Forgot to get an e36 lower steering column u/j when I was at the scrappers so the steering rack fitment has ground to a halt :roll:

The brake pipes are crusty in places so am in the process of changing them all, along with fitting Goodridge hoses. The rear beam is nearly off the car to fit new bushes and disc trailing arms.

No pics for now, will take plenty on the weekend when it is daylight
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Post Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:42 pm

A few photos and quick update:

Rear beam ready to come off:

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Cutting down the aircon pulley:

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Which then breaks apart like this:

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Have bought new rear beam bushes, diff mount and trailing arm bushes ready to fit. The beam is stuck solid on one side to the body, have managed to free one side by breaking something inside the bush. Have to keep trying on the other side.

Need to get hold of an e36 lower steering column u/j then I can trial fit the engine to see what need modifying to give clearance on the e36 rack
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Post Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:22 pm

Got the beam off, new brake pipes being made, and new bushes being fitted now.

Some of my order from Cotswold (inc my bellhousing bolts) aren't in stock so need to wait a week or so until I can bolt my gearbox on and trial fit unfortunately.

I have got an M535 single mass flywheel and clutch, and a 328 prop now so nearly collected everything I need :D

I also bought an e46 rack too to try out! Can't help but spend money on the car, but it will be worth it when it's done I'm sure
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Post Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:19 pm

Good progress, ive got an e36 linkage somewhere i could of sent it down to you with the chip :(

Ive just finished my linkage, its an E30 linkage with the donut removed and a 20mm solid spacer between the two peices, its not finished yet but ill get a pic for you.
Ive got the rack mounted in the front holes with the 14mm spacer above the rack. If you go for the rear holes iirc you just bolt the E30 linkages together.

Like so...

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... 99&start=0

If you use the lower half of an E36 linkage you will have more problems with it hitting the manifold.
Cypriotgeeza wrote:I done both my mates in my old 318is
felt so proud,even tried it with a E30 325i and got put in my place.. :o:
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Post Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:23 pm

Bristol_Jer wrote:Got the beam off, new brake pipes being made, and new bushes being fitted now.

Some of my order from Cotswold (inc my bellhousing bolts) aren't in stock so need to wait a week or so until I can bolt my gearbox on and trial fit unfortunately.

I have got an M535 single mass flywheel and clutch, and a 328 prop now so nearly collected everything I need :D

I also bought an e46 rack too to try out! Can't help but spend money on the car, but it will be worth it when it's done I'm sure
Make sure all of the old beam bush is out of the chassis if the old bush has a rough end on the aluminium insert then there is some left inside that needs to come out or the new bush won't seat properly, just thought I'd mention it

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Post Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:50 pm

+1 John.


Here's a pic of the linkage im making up, with an M30 you need the lower UJ as low as possible as this is whats closest to the manifold, hence making a 20mm spacer.

I want to rework the idea as this is just a mock up, ie i want to make the spacer round and have the two joints at 90 degrees like the oem donut.
Ive got a feeling with this i wont have to bodge the manifold as much.

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Cypriotgeeza wrote:I done both my mates in my old 318is
felt so proud,even tried it with a E30 325i and got put in my place.. :o:
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Post Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:57 pm

Thanks for the pics Lee, the should definitely help :) Have you though of using one of Danthe's splined links? Would have though this would have given the most clearance?

John, cheers for the advice about the beam bushes, one side has come out ok but the other side has a part left stuck on the car. Is it best just to try and hit it out from inside the car?
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Post Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:17 pm

Dans linkages are good for M50/2 swaps because you lose the guibo which hits the rear manifold

There's pics of Theo's M30 with an E36 rack in this thread to give you an idea where clearance is needed.

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... sc&start=0
Cypriotgeeza wrote:I done both my mates in my old 318is
felt so proud,even tried it with a E30 325i and got put in my place.. :o:
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Post Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:33 am

Good luck with this. We're still in the middle of our conversion.

Used a 318iS as a base car for the project.

Already fitted E46 steering rack & chopped prop, but have the engine set in position 2 as we didn't want to get too artistic :roll: with the bulkhead and brake servo.

Leaves a small problem with locating a rad but engine & box are in, fires up and runs & drives. Currently trying to get the Fritz Bitz SS headers to clear the steering joint. Then need to get an exhaust made up.

Happy to compare notes
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Post Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:59 pm

Bristol_Jer wrote:Thanks for the pics Lee, the should definitely help :) Have you though of using one of Danthe's splined links? Would have though this would have given the most clearance?

John, cheers for the advice about the beam bushes, one side has come out ok but the other side has a part left stuck on the car. Is it best just to try and hit it out from inside the car?
I used a dremel just to cut away at it until it fell out, its Ali so quite soft
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Post Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:21 am

I'll give that a go, hopefully won't be too hard to do. The rest of my bushes turned up yesterday so I'm going to have a fun morning with the blow torch burning out the old bushes :D

Hoping my Cotswold order will be in start of the week then I can get the engine and box bolted together ready to put in next weekend, I can't wait!
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Post Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:29 pm

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Powerflex bushes fitted :)
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Post Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:13 pm

Have you got any pics of that fly & clutch you had off Andy?
Cypriotgeeza wrote:I done both my mates in my old 318is
felt so proud,even tried it with a E30 325i and got put in my place.. :o:
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Post Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:18 pm

I can take some for you tomorrow mate, did you need close-up's of anything in particular?
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Post Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:35 pm

For fitting the E46 rack remove the rubber guilbo completly and fit a solid bush (much like lee's impressive looking bit of kit) this gives a bit more room due to the heat shield around the rubber bit being removed. I still then fitted it in the forward holes with spacers on top. I chopped and rewelded my downpipe/manifold from cyl 1-3 to give a bit more clearance around the steering linkage, my front mani is now one piece to my centre box so I could get rid of the bulky flanges on the downpipe.

Really pleased to see another 335i being built :D
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Post Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:51 pm

Bristol_Jer wrote:I can take some for you tomorrow mate, did you need close-up's of anything in particular?
Just a basic pic of the pressure plate and both sides of the friction plate :D Thanks!
Cypriotgeeza wrote:I done both my mates in my old 318is
felt so proud,even tried it with a E30 325i and got put in my place.. :o:
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Post Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:49 pm

Thank you for the info Charlie :)

Am enjoying doing my M30 build, with a few weekends of nice weather now I should be able to make some good progress :D
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Post Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:55 pm

Heres the M535i clutch pics Lee:

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And for reference, a couple of the standard dual-mass clutch/fly:

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Post Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:57 pm

Thanks buddy :thumb:
Cypriotgeeza wrote:I done both my mates in my old 318is
felt so proud,even tried it with a E30 325i and got put in my place.. :o:
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Post Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:16 pm

Got my bellhousing bolts at last :)

Flywheel is being refaced Saturday morning, then I can get the engine and box bolted together.

My braided brake hoses came today, and I have nearly finished making up all the new brake pipes. Need to pick up my new handbrake cables on Saturday and the back brakes and suspension are finished :D

New wheel bearings and Superflex trailing arm bushes:

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Ready to go back on the car with Powerflex beam mounts:

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The e46 rack is in place, just need to get a spacer for the steering column and modify the hoses.

Quick question, are the standard e30 clutch master and slave cylinders ok for the m30 conversion? Will pick up a new pair in the week if they are.

Getting there now, can't wait til it's done!
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Post Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:35 pm

Deffo need an M30 slave Jer, get all that fitted and see how u like the clutch :cool:
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Post Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:38 pm

Ok nice one, cheers Tom :thumb:
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Post Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:56 pm

Just had a quick look at bmwfans to get the part number for the slave cylinder ( http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/21521158677/ ), it seems an e30 318is and 324d one will fit too. I'll ask for an M30 one at the motor factors anyway to make sure it's right :)
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Post Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:18 pm

Bit more progress today, got the diff bolted up, fitted new handbrake cables and rear brake pipes/hoses. Got stuck on trying to fit my driveshafts though :-x ( http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=190718 ) so couldn't get the back end completely finished.

My flywheel is still at the transmission place, as it was quite badly worn and they couldn't get all the grooves out on Saturday. Going to pick it up tomorrow night then I can get the engine and box bolted together at last :D
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Post Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:12 pm

Good work, coming along nicely 8)

Got any pic's of the brake lines?
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Post Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:23 pm

You will need to give the driveshafts some persuasion Jer winkeye
You can use the nut to pull them home the last bit but you will struggle to hold the shaft as they are such a tight fit. If you have them in far enough to be able to fit the diff and put the car back on its wheels the weight of the car and the handbrake will hold them for you, if not, its hammer time winkeye :D
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Post Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:44 pm

Could you use the weight of the car to push them home, ie jack the car up and use blocks of wood between the driveshaft and the diff out put flange then lower the car. might be easier on axle stands with a trolley jack under the trailing arm.

Just a thought :)
Cypriotgeeza wrote:I done both my mates in my old 318is
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Post Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:45 pm

Imy- Thanks mate :) What would you like a photo of, the hoses or the pipes I made up? Or both? I can take a few tomorrow when I get home from work

Tom- Where is it best to apply the hammer? :twisted: I was a bit worried I'd wreck the wheel bearings if I started hammering the shafts in
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Post Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:46 pm

leeparkes wrote:Could you use the weight of the car to push them home, ie jack the car up and use blocks of wood between the driveshaft and the diff out put flange then lower the car. might be easier on axle stands with a trolley jack under the trailing arm.

Just a thought :)
Sounds like a good idea Lee, I'll give it a try tomorrow evening :)
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Post Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:49 pm

Just a pic of the pipes please :thumb:
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Post Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:55 pm

Ok no worries :)
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Post Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:58 pm

Good work man. Keep it up :D
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Post Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:21 am

Bristol_Jer wrote:Tom- Where is it best to apply the hammer? :twisted: I was a bit worried I'd wreck the wheel bearings if I started hammering the shafts in
On the diff flange end. Put some weight on the shaft to compress both UJ's first, then give it a slap :D I have a heavy rubber mallet I use on jobs like these...
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Post Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:22 pm

Thanks Tom, I'll give it a try :)

Couple more pics:

Refaced flywheel bolted up

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And inlet manifold support mounting hole extended for the custom mounts to fit:

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Post Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:42 pm

ImysE30 wrote:Just a pic of the pipes please :thumb:
Sorry, I'd forgotten all about this, I'll take some pics when I get home tomorrow evening :o: