318is or 325i

[MrBenn]

I don’t drive fast anymore and rarely get above 4k revs I would be just as happy driving a 316

hence my want for a 2.8 24v conversion

[pac1982]

I don’t drive fast anymore and rarely get above 4k revs I would be just as happy driving a 316

So why do an M52 conversion?

Because I like the idea of driving a classic car with a modern and reliable engine plus doing a 2.8 conversion is no harder than doing a 2.5 so if I’m gonna do it I may as well do it properly

[bss325i]

If you’re an OEM homo and want a really nice clean original E30 then the 325 wins hands down.

If you want a practical daily driver then the 318IS wins.

This makes absolutely no sense at all!

[MrBenn]

I don’t drive fast anymore and rarely get above 4k revs I would be just as happy driving a 316

So why do an M52 conversion?

Because I like the idea of driving a classic car with a modern and reliable engine plus doing a 2.8 conversion is no harder than doing a 2.5 so if I’m gonna do it I may as well do it properly

I know why you want to do it, it just sounded a bit odd.

Sorry. Back to the topic of 318is's are amazing.

[bss325i]

I don’t drive fast anymore and rarely get above 4k revs I would be just as happy driving a 316

So why do an M52 conversion?

Because I like the idea of driving a classic car with a modern and reliable engine plus doing a 2.8 conversion is no harder than doing a 2.5 so if I’m gonna do it I may as well do it properly

All E30 engines are reliable if maintained correctly.

Again, why would you do a 2.5 conversion if you dont drive fast any more?

[pac1982]

If you’re an OEM homo and want a really nice clean original E30 then the 325 wins hands down.

If you want a practical daily driver then the 318IS wins.

This makes absolutely no sense at all!

Whys that?

[bss325i]

If you’re an OEM homo and want a really nice clean original E30 then the 325 wins hands down.

If you want a practical daily driver then the 318IS wins.

This makes absolutely no sense at all!

Whys that?

Tell me exactly why a 325i wins hands down if you want a clean and original E30?!

[pac1982]

So why do an M52 conversion?

Because I like the idea of driving a classic car with a modern and reliable engine plus doing a 2.8 conversion is no harder than doing a 2.5 so if I’m gonna do it I may as well do it properly

All E30 engines are reliable if maintained correctly.

Again, why would you do a 2.5 conversion if you dont drive fast any more?

As said above i want a nice low miles modern engine just becuase i dont drive fast anymore dont mean i dont like the odd traffic light grand prix once in a while.

Plus i think an M50/2 engine in an E30 engine bay looks pure sex.

On top of that E30's with a 24v conversion seem to be worth good money so i see it as a good investment.

[bss325i]

On top of that E30's with a 24v conversion seem to be worth good money so i see it as a good investment.

Not as much as nice clean original unmolested examples.

[pac1982]

This makes absolutely no sense at all!

Whys that?

Tell me exactly why a 325i wins hands down if you want a clean and original E30?!

Because if you’re a OEM homo you want everything to be original and as good as it can be I’ll admit a proper BMW isn’t really worth its salt unless it has two things 1, Leather and 2, a 6 pot under the hood.

So unless you’re gonna push the boat out and go for one of the rarer models the 325 is the best choice for a diehard OEM enthusiast

Does that make more sence or you need imput?

[MrBenn]

On top of that E30's with a 24v conversion seem to be worth good money so i see it as a good investment.

Really?! I think the money is in clean unmolested e30's tbh, in a few years there won't be any left!

[MrBenn]

BMW isn’t really worth its salt unless it has to things 1, Leather and 2, a 6 pot under the hood.

Jeez you talk crap!

[pac1982]

On top of that E30's with a 24v conversion seem to be worth good money so i see it as a good investment.

Really?! I think the money is in clean unmolested e30's tbh, in a few years there won't be any left!

I've seen many a clean well spec'ed E30 with a 24v conversion sell for around the 4 grand mark, either way gotta be worth more than the £1500 give or take my 318IS is worth at the moment.

[pac1982]

BMW isn’t really worth its salt unless it has to things 1, Leather and 2, a 6 pot under the hood.

Jeez you talk crap!

which bit dont you agree with the leather or the 6 pot?

[bss325i]

Whys that?

Tell me exactly why a 325i wins hands down if you want a clean and original E30?!

Because if you’re a OEM homo you want everything to be original and as good as it can be I’ll admit a proper BMW isn’t really worth its salt unless it has to things 1, Leather and 2, a 6 pot under the hood.

So unless you’re gonna push the boat out and go for one of the rarer models the 325 is the best choice for a diehard OEM enthusiast

Does that make more sence or you need imput?

No this is absolute rubbish!

A 325i is not the best choice for an OEM diehard, ANY unmolested nice and clean E30 is, not any single model!

So you admit, a propper BMW has to have a 6 pot?

[bss325i]

BMW isn’t really worth its salt unless it has to things 1, Leather and 2, a 6 pot under the hood.

Jeez you talk crap!

+1000000!!!

[pac1982]

So you admit, a propper BMW has to have a 6 pot?

Yes I’ve never claimed any different, I just think the 318IS gets a bit of a hard time but I’ve never claimed its an all round better car the a 325, its only just better than a 320 and some people on here wouldn’t even agree with that

[MrBenn]

I've seen many a clean well spec'ed E30 with a 24v conversion sell for around the 4 grand mark, either way gotta be worth more than the £1500 give or take my 318IS is worth at the moment.

And plenty that struggle to sell for around 1k (I've had one)

People will always be scared of molested cars, who knows what standard the works been done to?

I don't like leather and it doesn't have to have 6 pots for me to like it, just like you said, I like the retro looks, nobody knows whats under the bonnet.

[darkchild]

Is it true that Joey Deacon had a 318is?

[kieran325]

Is it true that Joey Deacon had a 318is?

I've not heard that in ages

[pac1982]

I've seen many a clean well spec'ed E30 with a 24v conversion sell for around the 4 grand mark, either way gotta be worth more than the £1500 give or take my 318IS is worth at the moment.

And plenty that struggle to sell for around 1k (I've had one)

People will always be scared of molested cars, who knows what standard the works been done to?

I don't like leather and it doesn't have to have 6 pots for me to like it, just like you said, I like the retro looks, nobody knows whats under the bonnet.

I’m talking ideal world here if someone told you they would build you your dream E30 and it wouldn’t cost you a penny, and then I’m sure most would have a 6 pot engine and a tasty leather interior.

Bar the 2002 turbo, and the E30 M3 (and possibly others my E30 knowledge aint that strong) every hot BMW has had a 6 pot or bigger.

Leather may be more of a personal thing but whenever I’ve been in a luxury car like a Merc, BMW, Jag Audi etc etc and it don’t have leather the car just don’t feel complete

[pac1982]

Is it true that Joey Deacon had a 318is?

If thats supposed to be an insult to the 318IS surely its an insult to E30's in general regardless of engine size he drives an E30 so we can all hang our head in shame

[Royalratch]

Andyoboy - the 318ti is the gayest piece of crap ever. It's a girls car.

Barry - I reckon a zorst, big bore throttle and remap will see 160bhp and a superior driving experience.

[bss325i]

Andyoboy - the 318ti is the gayest piece of crap ever. It's a girls car.

Barry - I reckon a zorst, big bore throttle and remap will see 160bhp and a superior driving experience.

"Zorst" (how council) will not net you any gains, the 318iS system from the manifold back is regarded to be as good as it will get.

To get 160 bhp i think you will be needing to look into cams, hence why i said "internal mods".

Superior driving experience to what? A standard iS. Maybe.

[senna]

BMW isn’t really worth its salt unless it has to things 1, Leather and 2, a 6 pot under the hood.

Jeez you talk crap!

+1000000!!!

Well that rules out the E30 M3 doesn't it?

I have a feeling that the only reason that more people like the 325i over the 318iS is that so many more were produced and therefore owned. Few 325i owners will admit to wanting an iS and as there are more of them then iS owners the iS owners will never win.

[pac1982]

Jeez you talk crap!

+1000000!!!

Well that rules out the E30 M3 doesn't it?

I have a feeling that the only reason that more people like the 325i over the 318iS is that so many more were produced and therefore owned. Few 325i owners will admit to wanting an iS and as there are more of them then iS owners the iS owners will never win.

I have an IS and there is nothing an IS can win, i just think it gets to much hate, its a good little car in its own right end off

[bss325i]

Jeez you talk crap!

+1000000!!!

Well that rules out the E30 M3 doesn't it?

I have a feeling that the only reason that more people like the 325i over the 318iS is that so many more were produced and therefore owned. Few 325i owners will admit to wanting an iS and as there are more of them then iS owners the iS owners will never win.

No. iS owners get so much stick because they always harp on about them being the better car. 325i Owners (some of which have owned iS's) put them strait and it then turns into a 10 page thread as per usual.

iS owners will never learn, they just like to bury their head in the sand.

typical iS owner.

[bss325i]

I have an IS and there is nothing an IS can win, i just think it gets to much hate, its a good little car in its own right end off

I dont hate 318iS's, i think they are a cool enough car in their own right.

I just hate delusional iS owners with the notions of unfounded superiority over a model clearly a cut above in nearly every way.

[Jhonno]

I have an IS and there is nothing an IS can win, i just think it gets to much hate, its a good little car in its own right end off

I dont hate 318iS's, i think they are a cool enough car in their own right.

I just hate delusional iS owners with the notions of unfounded superiority over a model clearly a cut above in nearly every way.

This!!

[Royalratch]

Nah Barry - dead wrong.

iS owners only respond to give 325i owners a reality check who think their car is 5 times as fast and superior in every way - which is incorrect.

325i = Dated rubber band engine, crap spec as standard. All iS' have Sport goodness as standard.

Get with the programme. The iS is as fast and better overall except you lot got/get raped at the dealer and pump for the privilege of getting to Tesco 0.258sec sooner/smoother - whoopee.

The Zorst estimate was quoted from an experienced mapper - not merely my own thoughts. If you can get that much more power with a Zorst then why can't an iS? We all know it was strangled at launch to not be close to the 325i - and we've seen that an M42 will make 180+bhp easy from a 2.0 liter conversion.

Wake up guys, you're rumbled.

[Jhonno]

Nah Barry - dead wrong.

iS owners only respond to give 325i owners a reality check who think their car is 5 times as fast and superior in every way - which is incorrect.

325i = Dated rubber band engine, crap spec as standard. All iS' have Sport goodness as standard.

Get with the programme. The iS is as fast and better overall except you lot got/get raped at the dealer and pump for the privilege of getting to Tesco 0.258sec sooner/smoother - whoopee.

It is superior though..

Is is NOT anywhere near as fast, numbers and laws of physics dictate this.. I have already proven you don't, I got basically the same MPG from my 325i Touring as I do my M42, but was quicker, cooler and better sounding.

[bss325i]

Ratch, all of what you have said in that post just fortifies what i have said about the typical iS owner lol!

The iS is not as fast end of! Its been proven in so many ways that it is becoming embarrassing!

You can get that much power from a manifold* on an M20 because the original isn't a very good design where as the the one on the iS is a very good design.

*the "zorst" doesnt give the big power and torque gains for the M20, the BTB manifold does.

iS owners do respond to anything, they just try to take on the leader.......

.....and FAIL!

[pac1982]

Nah Barry - dead wrong.

iS owners only respond to give 325i owners a reality check who think their car is 5 times as fast and superior in every way - which is incorrect.

325i = Dated rubber band engine, crap spec as standard. All iS' have Sport goodness as standard.

Get with the programme. The iS is as fast and better overall except you lot got/get raped at the dealer and pump for the privilege of getting to Tesco 0.258sec sooner/smoother - whoopee.

It is superior though..

Is is NOT anywhere near as fast, numbers and laws of physics dictate this.. I have already proven you don't, I got basically the same MPG from my 325i Touring as I do my M42, but was quicker, cooler and better sounding.

Don’t get me wrong as I said before I know a 325 is a faster and better car but you’re just being delusional or just in denial if you think you can match or get anywhere near a 318IS mpg in a 2.5 unless you drive like Ghandi

[Alex]

Nah Barry - dead wrong.

iS owners only respond to give 325i owners a reality check who think their car is 5 times as fast and superior in every way - which is incorrect.

325i = Dated rubber band engine, crap spec as standard. All iS' have Sport goodness as standard.

Get with the programme. The iS is as fast and better overall except you lot got/get raped at the dealer and pump for the privilege of getting to Tesco 0.258sec sooner/smoother - whoopee.

It is superior though..

Is is NOT anywhere near as fast, numbers and laws of physics dictate this.. I have already proven you don't, I got basically the same MPG from my 325i Touring as I do my M42, but was quicker, cooler and better sounding.

Don’t get me wrong as I said before I know a 325 is a faster and better car but you’re just being delusional or just in denial if you think you can match or get anywhere near a 318IS mpg in a 2.5 unless you drive like Ghandi

Are you really that botherd about fuel economy, or is it an excuse to say an m42 is better

[Jhonno]

Nah Barry - dead wrong.

iS owners only respond to give 325i owners a reality check who think their car is 5 times as fast and superior in every way - which is incorrect.

325i = Dated rubber band engine, crap spec as standard. All iS' have Sport goodness as standard.

Get with the programme. The iS is as fast and better overall except you lot got/get raped at the dealer and pump for the privilege of getting to Tesco 0.258sec sooner/smoother - whoopee.

It is superior though..

Is is NOT anywhere near as fast, numbers and laws of physics dictate this.. I have already proven you don't, I got basically the same MPG from my 325i Touring as I do my M42, but was quicker, cooler and better sounding.

Don’t get me wrong as I said before I know a 325 is a faster and better car but you’re just being delusional or just in denial if you think you can match or get anywhere near a 318IS mpg in a 2.5 unless you drive like Ghandi

I have had both.. How about that for a revelation. I have always calculated my MPG, and have if anything calmed my driving down since owning my 325i