fuel prices

[dimebag_from_hell]

Why run on V POWER?

I seen a fella filling up an e30 325i sport with super unleaded recently, but what is the point? Is there any benefits at all?

[Kos]

that could easily be more expensive in the long run!
(heating oil would be a better bet since it isn't pink!)
Not that I said that.....

How often do you see customs stopping cars on the mainland? I hear its not very often.

Northern ireland is a bit different, customs are out dipping every single day, even out at night now!

i see it at least once a month here in west london. police/vosa/dlva all together with several low loaders taking the cars away for any violation

[Kos]

And the diesel will inevitably sh!t itself anyway.

meaning ££££££££

Why run on V POWER?

I seen a fella filling up an e30 325i sport with super unleaded recently, but what is the point? Is there any benefits at all?

the car runs better on it. i rotate the fuel in my car. i fill it up with V power, then when it gets to 1/2 i put regular shell in.

but for the sake of a few quid why not.

BTW my daily driver is an e39 530i sport and the fuel grade makes a noticeable difference to the way it drives.

[dimebag_from_hell]

Jesus I wouldn't have though there would have been many in the london area able to get their hands on red diesel.

Here at the minute, they are taking random cars (even if you have a full mot) to the mot centre, they test them and if anything is found to be of fault, your mot gets took of your car and you need to book it in for another mot.

I know a fella that was stopped in a 325i sport at half 12 in the morning and told by the police to follow him to the mot centre to have it tested! It had almost a full years ticket on it to start with

BTW my daily driver is an e39 530i sport and the fuel grade makes a noticeable difference to the way it drives.

Do you think it would be of any benefit to an M20?

cheers

[Kos]

Jesus I wouldn't have though there would have been many in the london area able to get their hands on red diesel.

Here at the minute, they are taking random cars (even if you have a full mot) to the mot centre, they test them and if anything is found to be of fault, your mot gets took of your car and you need to book it in for another mot.

I know a fella that was stopped in a 325i sport at half 12 in the morning and told by the police to follow him to the mot centre to have it tested! It had almost a full years ticket on it to start with

BTW my daily driver is an e39 530i sport and the fuel grade makes a noticeable difference to the way it drives.

Do you think it would be of any benefit to an M20?

cheers

when the police do these checks, its insurance avoiders they are after. anything that has a ticket but looks moody they PG9.

i think its a good thing

as for the availability of red diesel, you'd be surprised.

as for your car and super unleaded, tank it up and see how you feel the car drives. keep an eye on MPG. you really need to run it for a while to see/feel any difference.

[DanThe]

Red diesel is near enough £1 a litre now and smokes like a b4stard, not worth it at all

[ash-e30]

im in east sussex and its 1.24.9 per litre for petrol

[asmith88]

1 drive sensibly
2 cut back on clothes/trainers and other needless purchases
3 cut back on going out drinking clubbing smoking
4 stop doing drugs. how much is an 8th these days ??

the problem is that petrol prices havent just went to ridiculous levels yesterday,they have been like this for years, and some of us have already cut all these out and plenty more, driving is becoming a luxury

[asmith88]

Jesus I wouldn't have though there would have been many in the london area able to get their hands on red diesel.

Here at the minute, they are taking random cars (even if you have a full mot) to the mot centre, they test them and if anything is found to be of fault, your mot gets took of your car and you need to book it in for another mot.

I know a fella that was stopped in a 325i sport at half 12 in the morning and told by the police to follow him to the mot centre to have it tested! It had almost a full years ticket on it to start with

BTW my daily driver is an e39 530i sport and the fuel grade makes a noticeable difference to the way it drives.

Do you think it would be of any benefit to an M20?

cheers

i havent seen any dippers in a long time, neiher have i seen or heard of police taking cars will almost full mots to the test centre.. wheres this going on

[dimebag_from_hell]

i havent seen any dippers in a long time, neiher have i seen or heard of police taking cars will almost full mots to the test centre.. wheres this going on

dungannon, maghera, coleraine, cookstown...just to name a few.

Plenty of mobile MOT units set up aswell ready to dip you and give your car a full going over to find any faults they can.

As for dippers, you will meet them regulary at ballykelly and the new bridge in coleraine.

[mattrs]

I thought the ignition had to be advanced to benefit from the higher octane levels in super unleaded!? (Not dead sure though).

Police making you go to a mot station seems crazy and highly unlikely!

Much more likely, is if they think a car is a complete dog e.g. bald tires or very poor brakes, they will get transport police to go over the car at the roadside, then they will issue a PG9 which means the current MOT is void and the car has to be removed with all 4 wheels off the ground (no towing or spec lifts), then repaired, then re Mot'd then take the PG9 and the new MOT to the local nick to get it removed and a PG10 is then issued.

As for running derv's on red it’s tempting at around 75p per litre but if you’re caught they can confiscate the vehicle for good! To be fair they mainly dip lorries and vans. (So if you have a car that isn’t worth a lot it may be a no brainer)!

I had hoped lpg was the way forward but have read and been told that it isn’t all its made up to be due to additional servicing costs, decreased mpg in comparison to petrol and other potential problems. That said it does negate the need to pay congestion charge in London!


So suffer it, emigrate or drive less often and or slower.

[StuBeeDoo]

I had hoped lpg was the way forward but have read and been told that it isn’t all its made up to be due to additional servicing costs, decreased mpg in comparison to petrol and other potential problems.

Most of what you read will be bollox written by people who are passing-on scare stories.
Additional servicing costs?? Minimal.
Decreased MPG?? Yes, but unless LPG rises to something like 80% of the cost of petrol, the actual running costs will still be less (around here it's still about 55% of regular unleaded at the moment).
Other potential problems?? Name some.

LPG is still a viable alternative to petrol. OK, so it might take a bit longer these days to break even after converting but it's still worthwhile if you do a high mileage.

[Kos]

1 drive sensibly
2 cut back on clothes/trainers and other needless purchases
3 cut back on going out drinking clubbing smoking
4 stop doing drugs. how much is an 8th these days ??

the problem is that petrol prices havent just went to ridiculous levels yesterday,they have been like this for years, and some of us have already cut all these out and plenty more, driving is becoming a luxury

its a choice we make, you dont have to drive do you? but if you do have to have a car and drive it is certainly your choice what car you drive

i've lived with increasing fuel costs for 13 years now. yes it fucks me off when a full tank is £90 but the car i choose to drive has a big fucking tank lol

[mattrs]

I had hoped lpg was the way forward but have read and been told that it isn’t all its made up to be due to additional servicing costs, decreased mpg in comparison to petrol and other potential problems.

Most of what you read will be bollox written by people who are passing-on scare stories.
Additional servicing costs?? Minimal.
Decreased MPG?? Yes, but unless LPG rises to something like 80% of the cost of petrol, the actual running costs will still be less (around here it's still about 55% of regular unleaded at the moment).
Other potential problems?? Name some.

LPG is still a viable alternative to petrol. OK, so it might take a bit longer these days to break even after converting but it's still worthwhile if you do a high mileage.

80-90p per litre as opposed to 125-130p per litre here, seems little in it especially as most vans have 1.4 litre’s which no doubt would have to be driven pretty hard, which would further decrease any savings!?

I am no expert, just repeating anecdotes really. From what I heard/read they can go wrong and require servicing more.

I couldn’t justify paying for a conversion on a work wagon, I was looking at 5-10 year old vans with factory systems and I got a lot of bad feedback.

[asmith88]

i havent seen any dippers in a long time, neiher have i seen or heard of police taking cars will almost full mots to the test centre.. wheres this going on

dungannon, maghera, coleraine, cookstown...just to name a few.

Plenty of mobile MOT units set up aswell ready to dip you and give your car a full going over to find any faults they can.

As for dippers, you will meet them regulary at ballykelly and the new bridge in coleraine.

nowhere near me then, long may they stay where they are

[gareth]

LPG is still 64p here

OMG BP sucks balls!

If everybody brought at the cheapest garage and no one brought at the expensive garages then they would lower theirs to compete, that may help a little. And repeat as prices are adapted (Optimistic view)

This is a nice theory but in most cases, doesn't make a lot of difference. Near me the LPG is stupidly expensive (about 20p/litre more than near DanThe) and as the next LPG station is about 15 or 20 miles away, they have no competition so charge what they want.

I had hoped lpg was the way forward but have read and been told that it isn’t all its made up to be due to additional servicing costs, decreased mpg in comparison to petrol and other potential problems.

Most of what you read will be bollox written by people who are passing-on scare stories.
Additional servicing costs?? Minimal.
Decreased MPG?? Yes, but unless LPG rises to something like 80% of the cost of petrol, the actual running costs will still be less (around here it's still about 55% of regular unleaded at the moment).
Other potential problems?? Name some.

LPG is still a viable alternative to petrol. OK, so it might take a bit longer these days to break even after converting but it's still worthwhile if you do a high mileage.

Don't forget that LPG is a much better fuel for the engine. Minimal carbon deposits (do a 10k oil change and it comes out looking new), no bore wash etc. In the long term, a LPG powered engine will last longer and could be run on significantly larger service intervals. The problems you can get are mainly due to the petrol system often not being used for a while and injectors gumming up with the dirt settling out of the petrol.

[driftmaster808]

I did a very silly thing of running low on fuel on xmas day, stopped off to buy fuel and got my pants pulled down proper £1.36 per litre normal fuel lol needless to say I just put the bare minimum in the but there was some geek filling his tank up to full

I own a 325i 91 E30 and they guy I work with reckons super unleaded on benefits new cars but to be honest I'm sure I noticed quite a big difference unless it was my mind playing tricks on me which would'nt be the first time.

[DanThe]

If everybody brought at the cheapest garage and no one brought at the expensive garages then they would lower theirs to compete, that may help a little. And repeat as prices are adapted (Optimistic view)

This is a nice theory but in most cases, doesn't make a lot of difference. Near me the LPG is stupidly expensive (about 20p/litre more than near DanThe) and as the next LPG station is about 15 or 20 miles away, they have no competition so charge what they want.

I think he means Petrol/Diesel Gareth, which he would be right about, but as the last post states people are just too stupid or dont care about what they are spending on fuel, nearly everybody drives past a series of fuel stations on their common routes, just pick the cheapest, thats all you need to do to get the other stations to drop their prices. Simple

[e30-EVN]

I put £20 of super in every so often and it does make a difference, feels more responsive and burns slightly hotter which will clean things out inside. I wouldn't run it on super all the time, just now and again. I think its good for it

[dimebag_from_hell]

Police making you go to a mot station seems crazy and highly unlikely!

This was going on in northern ireland regulary during 2010, road safety campaign aginst young people driving lowered cars and generally people driving around in heaps which are also dangerous.

A mate of mine got took to the mot centre, they couldn't find anything wrong with it except the handbrake wasn't catching properly, they took the mot of his car and he had to retest the vechicle.

[gareth]

If everybody brought at the cheapest garage and no one brought at the expensive garages then they would lower theirs to compete, that may help a little. And repeat as prices are adapted (Optimistic view)

This is a nice theory but in most cases, doesn't make a lot of difference. Near me the LPG is stupidly expensive (about 20p/litre more than near DanThe) and as the next LPG station is about 15 or 20 miles away, they have no competition so charge what they want.

I think he means Petrol/Diesel Gareth, which he would be right about, but as the last post states people are just too stupid or dont care about what they are spending on fuel, nearly everybody drives past a series of fuel stations on their common routes, just pick the cheapest, thats all you need to do to get the other stations to drop their prices. Simple

The theory is still true though. My example shows that the garages will charge the maximum they can get away with, the LPG is just a good example as it varies more. If another LPG filling station opened up near me, the price would have to drop by about 10p to compete but neither would undercut the other by more than 1 or 2p, there's no need for them to do so.

What annoys me is the 'price matching' crap they all spout. They want us to think they check the local prices and make sure they're cheapest, what really happens is they check the local prices and charge the maximum they can without losing business. Most people don't compare the prices anyway.

[DanThe]

This is what you need Gareth

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2000-litre-GAS-TA ... 500wt_1156

[CaesarBob]

Annual fill ups have to be the way forward.

[gareth]

That ought to balance out the M30 up front!

actually, one of those in the garden for my, err, camping stove would be handy

[DanThe]

If only I had somewhere to put it....

[gareth]

Trailer?

[brown29]

If everybody brought at the cheapest garage and no one brought at the expensive garages then they would lower theirs to compete, that may help a little. And repeat as prices are adapted (Optimistic view)

Reality

We are being screwed from almost every angle, tax, fractional reserve banking, compound interest, money making legislative statutes and their self perpetuating nature, pyramid housing scam, money lending from thin air on account that we pay back with our sweat and blood equity + interest, to name but a few coning methods.

How far the good people of this island have to be stamped on before they say enough is enough, we will see.

The system is working exactly how a minority (beneficiary's) want it too.

Surely once people get educated as to what we have allowed to happen to our selfs things will change the wheel will stop and a new system without gain or loss will rule. (Exchange system)

The trouble is the law backed by guns is a hard control to crack. (the pessimistic view)

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

get educated : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 860424204#

Bang on brother... I recommend anyone to watch this video and then you come to relise what is happening in the world and why things are the way they are.

Until people know, then there is no hope.

[StuBeeDoo]

unless LPG rises to something like 80% of the cost of petrol

At today's petrol prices (local to me) that means LPG would have to be £1.02/ltr. My local LPG supplier is currently 68.9p/ltr.

Yes, I'm p155ed-off at the price of fuel in general, but nowhere near as p155ed-off as I'll be if LPG ever gets to the 80%-of-petrol point. For now, my 2.7 touring is still cheaper to run than my wife's '09 Fiesta.

[DanThe]

Price is now 72p here Gas prices as a whole have gone up again

[kevo]

yes i paid 73p just now for lpg at my local station, a few days ago it was 64p. not especially impressed with that but at least it cost me £24 (73p/L) to do 168miles as opposed to £41.40 (£1.26p/L)

[e301988325i]

LPG is still 64p here

Still 60.9p here Woohooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brianmoooore]

Still 60.9p here Woohooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where's that? I paid 81p yesterday, and I'm only 45 miles away!

[StuBeeDoo]

LPG is still 64p here

Still 60.9p here Woohooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Frack me! Around here is usually among the cheapest in the country, but my locals vary between 68.9 and 74.4p at the moment.

[gareth]

84.9p

Oh for some competition round here!

[Kos]

can i ask a question

LPG, is you fuel consumption any better on it over unleaded ? is it actually going to be a financially viable option?