A (rather obvious) word of warning

[fuzzy]

e30's and bmw's in general are fooking sh1te in anything other than a light sprinkle of snow.
your quicker walking.

[Topblag]

e30's and bmw's in general are fooking sh1te in anything other than a light sprinkle of snow.
your quicker walking.

Or Skiing if you fancy wearing one of those gay jumpsuits.

[pony]

RWD are better in snow than FWD because when you accelerate there is a dynamic weight transfer to the rear aiding traction in RWD reducing traction in FWD.

Fnck yea!

4WD is best for traction.

I think maybe i was wrong.

I thought when you accelerate the dynamic weight transfer to the rear helps RWD not FWD.

However, if you watch this link then see the comments especially on page 1 it might be different. Apparently because most cars are front-engined FWD is better than RWD! The best in these conditions has to be a 4-wheel drive rear-engined car i.e. a 911 with 4-wheel drive with proper winter tyres.

Here is the link:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/forums/t/10945.aspx

LEt me know what you think is better for snow:

1 4WD
2 RWD
3 FWD I think?!

[5six7eight]

LEt me know what you think is better for snow:

1 4WD
2 RWD
3 FWD I think?!

What about option 4... The car fitted with winter tyres.

Friend has a Range Rover td4, his wife has a fiesta for shopping trips. At the start of this year, the fiesta had winter tyres, the RR didn't. The RR was useless, the Fiesta got them pretty much everywhere.

[e30-EVN]

4wd has to be the best in snow tbh! If you think of the weight transfer (front end lifting) the front wheels will get lighter but you can still rely on the back to power you along.

[steviebmw]

I HAD FUN IN THE SNOW DONE SOME DRIFTING

[Blitz]

LEt me know what you think is better for snow:

1 4WD
2 RWD
3 FWD I think?!

What about option 4... The car fitted with winter tyres.

Friend has a Range Rover td4, his wife has a fiesta for shopping trips. At the start of this year, the fiesta had winter tyres, the RR didn't. The RR was useless, the Fiesta got them pretty much everywhere.

+1 winter tyres make all the difference.

[e30-EVN]

4wd with winter tyres then! No better traction to could be found

[Morat]

I'm using General Grabber AT2 on the Jeep. My boss who can afford solid gold tyres if he wants uses the same on his Disco 3.
They're an all season tyre but with Mud and Snow rating and they've been fantastic. We've had about 18" of snow so far and I've had total confidence apart from the odd little slide when I've been pratting about

[Jon_Bmw]

4WD
FWD
RWD

Thin tyres are better than wide ones.

My 540i is naff in the snow, thankfully we haven't had any. Although its looking a bit suspect outside at the moment! Open diff, wide summer tyres and lots of low down torque, nightmare.

[pony]

4WD
FWD
RWD

Thin tyres are better than wide ones.

My 540i is naff in the snow, thankfully we haven't had any. Although its looking a bit suspect outside at the moment! Open diff, wide summer tyres and lots of low down torque, nightmare.

Invest in a set of winter tyres.

[polsta]

just bought this today lads, the e30 wont have to endure another harsh winter and im a member of the 4x4 disco inferno club !!!



thread in pub talk for comments

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=186089

[DanThe]

4WD
FWD
RWD

Thin tyres are better than wide ones.

My 540i is naff in the snow, thankfully we haven't had any. Although its looking a bit suspect outside at the moment! Open diff, wide summer tyres and lots of low down torque, nightmare.

Just put some 195/65/15 winters on mine, I feel more like a rally driver now, and less like a pillock stuck in the snow

[Morat]

Dan, which ones did you get?

[DanThe]

Michelin Alpins

[Jon_Bmw]

If it gets that bad, i'll convince the boss that I need a 4x4 to loan. Unfortunately we only have 3 brand new evo X's in...

One of those will have to do.

[Dezzy]

We did Tyres on a 09 Evo yesterday Jon. I wouldn't bother. The owner was a right old tart, had it set to snow and wouldn't leave us alone while fitting his yoko's. He still got it stuck in the carpark while a girl in a corsa drove straight past. Maybe that was just him though.

[Jon_Bmw]

Haha, I know the type.

Again, they are too wide(and summer orientated rubber) to be any good on snow. Would be good fun in the right hands though...

...People with talent apply please.

[Dezzy]

Snow Tyres ftw as well mate.

[StuBeeDoo]

what about all the salt on the roads? going to do a hell of alot of damage to the underside of the car.

What about all the salt on roads???! Is your daily driver immune to rust?

[Dezzy]

No Stu your E30 has lasted 20+ years by being driven on dry Sundays only.

[pony]

what about all the salt on the roads? going to do a hell of alot of damage to the underside of the car.

What about all the salt on roads???! Is your daily driver immune to rust?

My daily driver is my E30. right now i left it in the car park at my work till the snow clears up.

Then will get it washed again and tell them to do under the wheel arches and side skirts with the jet wash. Then it will go back in my garage at home.

[pacerpete]

I have a set of fulda 195/65/15 winter tyres with decent tread for sale if any hero wants to keep mobile. Ad and pics tomorrow in for sale section if they are not buried by the snow !

[Morat]

There was an Audi Q7 stuck climbing up a hill in the village today. It had those ridiculous 20" (I guess) wheels and low profile tyres.

[bmwnut88]

case closed.

[harry_p]

4wd with winter tyres then! No better traction to could be found

my lancia was simply awesome in snow on just normal road tyres. light weight and proper 4wd with mechanical diffs.

it still didnt stop very well though.

most 4x4s are useless as people leave them on mide low profile tyres, and they weight a huge amount, which is mass you've either got to get moving, stop moving or turn.

i can imagine something like an original fiat panda 4x4 would be like a mountain goat and get you just about anywhere

this year my winter transport will be the e36. 300 bhp, rwd, no traction control and 245 wide tyres. could be pretty interesting

[andrew_baran]

Norwich snow has been so rubbish I haven't had a chance to see how my Touring behaves yet on normal roads. Had a dick about in the icy work carpark this evening though, was like slow-motion. Great fun.

[rancido64]

Lets keep our E30's parked-up safely in our garage's/drives this snowy winter for both our saftey and the cars.

Grow a pair

Just take it easy, gentle on the controls, leave a large gap between you and the vehicle infront, and always leave with plenty of time to arrive at your destination so you're not tempted to rush.

Then you can have some fun along the way

[ultralinear]

I have been driving my standard 1985 316 M10 auto.

I thought myself pretty adept until I turned into a side-road to turn around after visiting a friend this evening...

I drove down the road, hand-braked beautifully to face back where I came... then preceded to gently spin on the spot for a few anguished minutes. I think the road consisted of a layer of ice with a fresh layer of snow on top.

After eventually reversing some distance, it appeared I found a spot without an incline. Bear in mind I couldn't even detect this incline until I found myself the wrong way on it! Even in motion with no accelerator, the back was still spinning and my egress from the road of potential doom was painstakingly slow.

In addition... I'm perfectly au fait with how to respond to over-steer in any weather. Counter-steering and sensible use of throttle come pretty naturally as I imagine it does to most of us. The physics makes perfect sense in my head.

What I cannot overcome is when my front end loses traction. If you use the brakes, the front loses traction whether you have traction at the back or not... Panic makes me brake more, even though my brain correctly tells me it's a terrible idea! (I speak as a person who, as a child, would grip onto my bicycle through any turmoil rather than 'ghost it' and avoid injury)

CAN ANYBODY OFFER ME ANY ADVICE PLEASE?

Should I simply never put myself into the situation where I need to brake when my front has no traction.. Or will using my handbrake help? i.e. when traction is lost, am I able to brake in a way that will re-balance the car and help regain traction?

[ultralinear]

I'm soon picking up my 2.8 M50 engined pre-facelift w/open diff. It is meant to be my daily driver... Should I get a FWD for the winter, opinions please.

[e30-EVN]

I'm in brighton now working and the snowfall obvernight has been nothing short of record breaking!!
Every road inpassable, including the MAIN road along the sea front!
What has baffeled me most is that the whole of brighton is covered even the road right next to the sea!!! The salt air has made no difference what so ever!!!
I dare anybody to try getting an e30 around here without drama!! I'm quite a driver and I wouldn't even consider my m50'd ride around here!
Its just unreal here!

[DaveD]

I have been driving my standard 1985 316 M10 auto.


CAN ANYBODY OFFER ME ANY ADVICE PLEASE?

Should I simply never put myself into the situation where I need to brake when my front has no traction.. Or will using my handbrake help? i.e. when traction is lost, am I able to brake in a way that will re-balance the car and help regain traction?

in situations like that, if you HAVE to slow down go down a gear or two and use the handbrake ..your front wheel will still give a bit of direction as they will not have locked up...but you where going too fast in the first place

[Jon_Bmw]

4WD


My 540i is naff in the snow, thankfully we haven't had any. Although its looking a bit suspect outside at the moment! .

We had some snow, around 6" so a day or two off work.

Not much point in getting the BMW de-snowed.

[popey7676]

It's not the snow I'm too bothered about, more the salt they throw down everywhere!

[StuBeeDoo]

I'm still managing to get around OK.

Sometime next summer I'll be looking at buying a pair of tyres to go on my spare rims. I think I'll be talking to Dezzy about what winter tyres are available at that time.