great job though simon
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I've just copied what the old pipes i have looked like. I'm pretty sure its the right way round, unlike the seals on the bottom end on the touring that time 
Theres not much in the bentleys manual about the PAS system. All i found was 40Nm so far. the larger of the crush washers on BMW's own etk is listed as "not fitted to this vehicle" nonsense. So we had to go to an e34 for them! Why i don't know
No PM's about a battery ho ho i'll edit the title for that pikey effect.
Theres not much in the bentleys manual about the PAS system. All i found was 40Nm so far. the larger of the crush washers on BMW's own etk is listed as "not fitted to this vehicle" nonsense. So we had to go to an e34 for them! Why i don't know
No PM's about a battery ho ho i'll edit the title for that pikey effect.
The pipes and the grommet are the correct way round.
Start the new job tomorrow.
Cant go pikeying just yet.
Cant go pikeying just yet.
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sit tight a good update is coming once the money is all spent buying more shiney trinkets! Engine engine engine!
easter is my engine deadline now gives me time then for a real chance at an MOT in the new year and a Gaydon outing 2011 is the aim i thought in the shower this week. Which isn't that long really 10 months max but i think i can actually do it now
easter is my engine deadline now gives me time then for a real chance at an MOT in the new year and a Gaydon outing 2011 is the aim i thought in the shower this week. Which isn't that long really 10 months max but i think i can actually do it now
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There's a brand new white BMW battery on here dude http://www.bmminiparts.com/PartDetails. ... B04580D40F
but I think it's for 4 pot turds
but I think it's for 4 pot turds
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tis a 4 pot 50amp job Lee
i've battery in the boot which to me means free reign as its not seen! i've got a 90amp monster for it which is in the e36 as needs must sometimes 70amp would probably be more than adequate. Stock is 65 iirc.
90 amps would spin an M20 over like a banshee, it certainly does on my M52
i've battery in the boot which to me means free reign as its not seen! i've got a 90amp monster for it which is in the e36 as needs must sometimes
70amp would probably be more than adequate. Stock is 65 iirc.90 amps would spin an M20 over like a banshee, it certainly does on my M52
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Ah well as you have a passport for some non OEM wrongness just stick a transit diesel job in there 
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coolSimon13 wrote:
easter is my engine deadline now gives me time then for a real chance at an MOT in the new year and a Gaydon outing 2011 is the aim
its good to set yourself 'deadlines'.
i find it helps with motivation.
awesome build tho' si
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So talking to blitz at ace last month he said he bought a new aerial for his cab in chrome from euros......
They also still supply in black,
Fits noice, i've pulled the wires through the rubber grommet at the bulkhead into the car. Bit of a random purchase but they might sell out?!
These sit on the lip of the chassis rails on each side in the engine bay, usually gone or covered in grime i tried to get new. Could i fook, i can't find it on etk anywhere and neither could my dealer so the old ones cleaned up pretty well. Sad as you won't even really see them with the engine in! but maybe you will now they are clean!
Threaded this lot back into bonnet with new non heated jets and T piece, should spray good ya! No headlamp wash wipe wrongness here. I've also got the sound deadening but i've not stuck that on yet.
ho ho whats this from euronob ends?!
Tropical spec radiator. Now this has been an epic saga so far i think. So you've noticed like i did that it has the transmission cooler for an auto. I thought well i can get over that. so i fitted it.......
Horny i thought, the new fan shroud and top hose will finish it nicely!
its f**king broke on corner where the fan shroud fits so i'm not having that. The broken bit wasn't in the box either so someone knew i expect.
So this all started a few weeks ago, i went into ecp to see if they infact sold them. They did and the chubsta at the till said there is one in stock in wembley, the last one. So i left it a week and was chatting to Henry at the Guildford meet and he said go and buy it! Don't take chances. This was resonable thinking but a week had passed now. So I went in after work and guess what? its sold none left, so i said f**k it. Guy says there is actually 1 more but its in the Belfast branch, i said can you get it? No in a word. Belfast are difficult to deal with and don't like sending parts off for interbranch requests. They go to Wembley HQ first. So some more swearing and tell him what its for etc as he told me i don't need it either bla bla! He says i'll ring and try and get it over but don't hold your breath. I'd also ordered a recon 90amp alternator which would be in the next day. Next day comes and good news they'll send it over he tells me. Horay i thought. It will be in Aldershot for Tues.
I go in tuesday late morning, but its not here but will be in the afternoon, ok. Go back still not in so twice in a day are you guys mugging me off? Thursday they promise! Thursday comes and no rad still when i walk in. Friday and a phonecall to say its arrived! So we end up to where we are now, so i took it back. They said its the last one they're not going to get anymore in. Well they are as they've got one ordered for me after i showed them the damage and auto wrongness. So i think there will be a batch coming in from Nissens/Behr in 8-10 working days. I await with baited breath. BMW wants £370 for a tropical rad and the ECP one was £106. So worth the aggro imo. The fan shroud was £15 and the top hose £30 so i'm not chucking the towel in yet on this!
fitted aload of minted up bits not all new, header tank it, AFM box,ICV, AFM hose. Its odd i know but i can look in the bay and see exactly where i am, what i need to buy next plus its out of the way taking up space in the garage.
This cheered me up no end! i salvaged this sticker off the touring i broke which donated its engine to PYF a few years ago. Been saving it! First sticker back on, the rest can wait till the end! First part of the car finished too. lol
This is the later or different sticker but i prefer the green one, contrasts with the paintwork in an alpina stylee yeah?
whilst ordering some other random bits i feel it time for some new pedal rubbers for £2.50 can't be turned down! match the nice loud pedal also
extreme order of new nuts and bolts for the donk. Over 100 part numbers they had a fit at the dealer i had a stiffy sorting them all out!!
This is the e36 loaded up for a trip to my old mans with his engineering measuring type bits or a mikes but i can't spell that lol. Micrometer is the correct term? Anyhow thats crank in the green towel, 6 slugs and the block
The result of it is this. Bently manual covers the spec sizes in imperial. My old man works in this and the older folk on here will prefer it! so its all in inches and thou and tenths.
The block and pistons are out of spec. theres a 7 thou difference between the bores and pistons. The wear limit is just under 5 thou. Its the pistons i have that have worn a bit. They're all around 83.895mm. The bore on No.5 is all scratched up to fook from the last bodgers that had a go at fixing it.
Now i've binned off the Original pistons and crank. The crank needs a regrind and the pistons would go again but i had better! I bought around 6-7 years ago a complete Alpina 2.7 bottom end of another zoner Jit for those who remember! This had issues but minor! So we're using the crank and pistons and rods from this bottom end which came from an 88 E reg dolphin grey facelift 4 door auto that was broken for rust issues about 10 years ago. I've alot of the cars history and also found out it had covered at least 170,000 miles before it was fragged.
What had happened to this engine was the crank nose bolt came loose for some reason i don't know about and this happened. This happend to jit who bought the complete engine for his minty old 325i cab. After this he had a stock 2.5 bottom end fitted and the alpina top end rebuilt and sold the car. So there was this bottom end sitting in his garden with no sump which his brother had nicked for his sport, usual speed hump and 60mm drama and aholed sump. This is where i came into it. The block had rusty bores from being outside. Pacerpete has this now. Sacrilege to such an engine!
so this engine suffered some valve piston action and a mullered woodruff key slot. As you can see i've had a new slot machined in so thats that sorted. The front pulley still fits ok also!
The other great news is its still in spec. So standard size big end shells and mains. Which will be "whites" This is bmw engineering for you. There are 7 journals on a 6 pot crank they read like this
1 2.3613 inches
2 2.3611
3 2.3611
4 2.3611
5 2.3611
6 2.3612 This is the trust washer
7 2.3613
epic considering the milege already covered by this crank.
For white shells the journals should be between 2.3611 - 2.3613. So we're in the money. A polish on the journals and its good to go.
Alpina used the forged steel crank from the 324d and 324td E30 for those that didn't know, not the eta crank that most DIY engines use over here. Why? its seriously strong and will take high rpms compared to the ETA one. I've never heard of an eta crank sh!tting its self though from some sustained 7000rpm action so a bit of an old wives tale i think.
piston on the left is a Mahle pina one and my dad feathered out where the exhaust valves had left a litte lip in all 6 of them. So some extra CC's!
Heres a stock 2.5 facelift of some kind i'm not sure of the CR, but you can see a clear difference in size! plus weight, i should weigh them on some scales just to see really whats in it
And the money shot, so same wrist pin height but the pina piston has a lower crown so no deck blocking required, plus they use the 135mm 325i rods as opposed to the 130mm rods used for most DIY built 2.7's This is where one of the main differences lie
So back to the block, and alot of thinking and weighing up prices etc its £1200 for a new set of over size 1 alpina pistons. Or you go the custom route for abit less. I want to retain the original block for obvious reasons. Changing the block to me is like a reshell on the donk. if you get me. The head and cam was missing when i bought the car and no serive history to indicate where they went. Probably cracked a head like every C2 i've ever know well has at some point. Soooooo i've got to keep something! So the route is getting the block bored out and sleeved with new cast iron liners. The job will be a goodun
So although the pistons are a touch worn i'll have brand new bores in the OE block and a f**king tight bottom end again i hope!
It breaks down to this liners £35 each,
bore block out £100,
fitting liners £60
rebore and hone £120
reface top of block £75 - i can save this as my dad can do it, he'll also reface the sump side too.
So thats where i'm at i just need to find the time to drop it off. Which i'm hoping to do before my wedding in 2 weeks!
motorsport
gets it out of the way for now
My alarm hasn't played ball recently and the central locking wasn't working on the fobs. Where these 3 wires are now soldered together they weren't as i had crimp connected some of it and 1 wire had fallen out. Not good work by me then! I did this originally as the cars wiring had corroded black and the solder wouldn't take to it. So i sorted it properly today to make it all reliable. I had to chase the foul wire back and cut over a metre out until i was nearly at the central locking ECU in the other footwell, where it terminated at the central locking relay. Good clean copper eventually found and something to solder to at last.
Some heat shrink and loom tape and i hope a lasting fix. I was mighty impressed with myself for soldering 3 wires together! Don't know why
You'll notice a complete lack really of sound deadening here. E30's aren't the best in this department. So i thought this might help
Its light too. i've had it lying around for a while. I ordered from BMW some new clear plastic to seal the doors up like the factory did behind the door cards. And a roll of this white stuff turned up. how strange it was but took it any way as i I thought i'd put it to i hope good use someday.
I'm not sure if the patch on the front door will get soaked every time the car is washed as there are drain holes in the corners of the doors? And if it does its a bit of a waste of time. So not so sure on the front ones now. Its if the outer glass rubber weather strip lets water down into the door to drain the rain water out etc.
So busy busy takes my mind off certain other events at the moment!
They also still supply in black,
Fits noice, i've pulled the wires through the rubber grommet at the bulkhead into the car. Bit of a random purchase but they might sell out?!
These sit on the lip of the chassis rails on each side in the engine bay, usually gone or covered in grime i tried to get new. Could i fook, i can't find it on etk anywhere and neither could my dealer so the old ones cleaned up pretty well. Sad as you won't even really see them with the engine in! but maybe you will now they are clean!
Threaded this lot back into bonnet with new non heated jets and T piece, should spray good ya! No headlamp wash wipe wrongness here. I've also got the sound deadening but i've not stuck that on yet.
ho ho whats this from euronob ends?!
Tropical spec radiator. Now this has been an epic saga so far i think. So you've noticed like i did that it has the transmission cooler for an auto. I thought well i can get over that. so i fitted it.......
Horny i thought, the new fan shroud and top hose will finish it nicely!
its f**king broke on corner where the fan shroud fits so i'm not having that. The broken bit wasn't in the box either so someone knew i expect.
So this all started a few weeks ago, i went into ecp to see if they infact sold them. They did and the chubsta at the till said there is one in stock in wembley, the last one. So i left it a week and was chatting to Henry at the Guildford meet and he said go and buy it! Don't take chances. This was resonable thinking but a week had passed now. So I went in after work and guess what? its sold none left, so i said f**k it. Guy says there is actually 1 more but its in the Belfast branch, i said can you get it? No in a word. Belfast are difficult to deal with and don't like sending parts off for interbranch requests. They go to Wembley HQ first. So some more swearing and tell him what its for etc as he told me i don't need it either bla bla! He says i'll ring and try and get it over but don't hold your breath. I'd also ordered a recon 90amp alternator which would be in the next day. Next day comes and good news they'll send it over he tells me. Horay i thought. It will be in Aldershot for Tues.
I go in tuesday late morning, but its not here but will be in the afternoon, ok. Go back still not in so twice in a day are you guys mugging me off? Thursday they promise! Thursday comes and no rad still when i walk in. Friday and a phonecall to say its arrived! So we end up to where we are now, so i took it back. They said its the last one they're not going to get anymore in. Well they are as they've got one ordered for me after i showed them the damage and auto wrongness. So i think there will be a batch coming in from Nissens/Behr in 8-10 working days. I await with baited breath. BMW wants £370 for a tropical rad and the ECP one was £106. So worth the aggro imo. The fan shroud was £15 and the top hose £30 so i'm not chucking the towel in yet on this!
fitted aload of minted up bits not all new, header tank it, AFM box,ICV, AFM hose. Its odd i know but i can look in the bay and see exactly where i am, what i need to buy next plus its out of the way taking up space in the garage.
This cheered me up no end! i salvaged this sticker off the touring i broke which donated its engine to PYF a few years ago. Been saving it! First sticker back on, the rest can wait till the end! First part of the car finished too. lol
This is the later or different sticker but i prefer the green one, contrasts with the paintwork in an alpina stylee yeah?
whilst ordering some other random bits i feel it time for some new pedal rubbers for £2.50 can't be turned down! match the nice loud pedal also
extreme order of new nuts and bolts for the donk. Over 100 part numbers they had a fit at the dealer i had a stiffy sorting them all out!!
This is the e36 loaded up for a trip to my old mans with his engineering measuring type bits or a mikes but i can't spell that lol. Micrometer is the correct term? Anyhow thats crank in the green towel, 6 slugs and the block
The result of it is this. Bently manual covers the spec sizes in imperial. My old man works in this and the older folk on here will prefer it! so its all in inches and thou and tenths.
The block and pistons are out of spec. theres a 7 thou difference between the bores and pistons. The wear limit is just under 5 thou. Its the pistons i have that have worn a bit. They're all around 83.895mm. The bore on No.5 is all scratched up to fook from the last bodgers that had a go at fixing it.
Now i've binned off the Original pistons and crank. The crank needs a regrind and the pistons would go again but i had better! I bought around 6-7 years ago a complete Alpina 2.7 bottom end of another zoner Jit for those who remember! This had issues but minor! So we're using the crank and pistons and rods from this bottom end which came from an 88 E reg dolphin grey facelift 4 door auto that was broken for rust issues about 10 years ago. I've alot of the cars history and also found out it had covered at least 170,000 miles before it was fragged.
What had happened to this engine was the crank nose bolt came loose for some reason i don't know about and this happened. This happend to jit who bought the complete engine for his minty old 325i cab. After this he had a stock 2.5 bottom end fitted and the alpina top end rebuilt and sold the car. So there was this bottom end sitting in his garden with no sump which his brother had nicked for his sport, usual speed hump and 60mm drama and aholed sump. This is where i came into it. The block had rusty bores from being outside. Pacerpete has this now. Sacrilege to such an engine!
so this engine suffered some valve piston action and a mullered woodruff key slot. As you can see i've had a new slot machined in so thats that sorted. The front pulley still fits ok also!
The other great news is its still in spec. So standard size big end shells and mains. Which will be "whites" This is bmw engineering for you. There are 7 journals on a 6 pot crank they read like this
1 2.3613 inches
2 2.3611
3 2.3611
4 2.3611
5 2.3611
6 2.3612 This is the trust washer
7 2.3613
epic considering the milege already covered by this crank.
For white shells the journals should be between 2.3611 - 2.3613. So we're in the money. A polish on the journals and its good to go.
Alpina used the forged steel crank from the 324d and 324td E30 for those that didn't know, not the eta crank that most DIY engines use over here. Why? its seriously strong and will take high rpms compared to the ETA one. I've never heard of an eta crank sh!tting its self though from some sustained 7000rpm action so a bit of an old wives tale i think.
piston on the left is a Mahle pina one and my dad feathered out where the exhaust valves had left a litte lip in all 6 of them. So some extra CC's!
Heres a stock 2.5 facelift of some kind i'm not sure of the CR, but you can see a clear difference in size! plus weight, i should weigh them on some scales just to see really whats in it
And the money shot, so same wrist pin height but the pina piston has a lower crown so no deck blocking required, plus they use the 135mm 325i rods as opposed to the 130mm rods used for most DIY built 2.7's This is where one of the main differences lie
So back to the block, and alot of thinking and weighing up prices etc its £1200 for a new set of over size 1 alpina pistons. Or you go the custom route for abit less. I want to retain the original block for obvious reasons. Changing the block to me is like a reshell on the donk. if you get me. The head and cam was missing when i bought the car and no serive history to indicate where they went. Probably cracked a head like every C2 i've ever know well has at some point. Soooooo i've got to keep something! So the route is getting the block bored out and sleeved with new cast iron liners. The job will be a goodun
So although the pistons are a touch worn i'll have brand new bores in the OE block and a f**king tight bottom end again i hope!
It breaks down to this liners £35 each,
bore block out £100,
fitting liners £60
rebore and hone £120
reface top of block £75 - i can save this as my dad can do it, he'll also reface the sump side too.
So thats where i'm at i just need to find the time to drop it off. Which i'm hoping to do before my wedding in 2 weeks!
motorsport
gets it out of the way for nowMy alarm hasn't played ball recently and the central locking wasn't working on the fobs. Where these 3 wires are now soldered together they weren't as i had crimp connected some of it and 1 wire had fallen out. Not good work by me then! I did this originally as the cars wiring had corroded black and the solder wouldn't take to it. So i sorted it properly today to make it all reliable. I had to chase the foul wire back and cut over a metre out until i was nearly at the central locking ECU in the other footwell, where it terminated at the central locking relay. Good clean copper eventually found and something to solder to at last.
Some heat shrink and loom tape and i hope a lasting fix. I was mighty impressed with myself for soldering 3 wires together! Don't know why
You'll notice a complete lack really of sound deadening here. E30's aren't the best in this department. So i thought this might help
Its light too. i've had it lying around for a while. I ordered from BMW some new clear plastic to seal the doors up like the factory did behind the door cards. And a roll of this white stuff turned up. how strange it was but took it any way as i I thought i'd put it to i hope good use someday.
I'm not sure if the patch on the front door will get soaked every time the car is washed as there are drain holes in the corners of the doors? And if it does its a bit of a waste of time. So not so sure on the front ones now. Its if the outer glass rubber weather strip lets water down into the door to drain the rain water out etc.
So busy busy takes my mind off certain other events at the moment!
Fook me!!!!!!!!!!
Loving the detail you go into Si. Not only in your build but the write up too!
Looking forward to seeing this one finish. Great work mate
Loving the detail you go into Si. Not only in your build but the write up too!
Looking forward to seeing this one finish. Great work mate
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Simon13
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Dezmond, without bragging, to me this is as best i can describe the effort it takes to get this far. Well for me, maybe if i was a little more orgainised it could be less stress but i don't think i could of done it any better if i did it a second time.
Theres lots on here doing there stuff and its sometimes hard to realise how much effort that said person has put in. Alot of stuff doesn't get a photo or a little write up on a particular job. I've tried to show everything i've done so far! Although i've skimped on a few bits in terms of pictures.
santa pod burnout up the strip in 2011!
Theres lots on here doing there stuff and its sometimes hard to realise how much effort that said person has put in. Alot of stuff doesn't get a photo or a little write up on a particular job. I've tried to show everything i've done so far! Although i've skimped on a few bits in terms of pictures.
santa pod burnout up the strip in 2011!
Keep the updates coming Si, I'll eventually see this car one day. It deserves to have it's own rotating display plynth at 'pod next year.
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i hear that.Simon13 wrote:Theres lots on here doing there stuff and its sometimes hard to realise how much effort that said person has put in.
i do realise the 'going the extra mile' it takes to get a project on the road.
So do I. 260 miles actually. To get someone who knows what they are doing to put my fook ups rightglenn wrote:i hear that.Simon13 wrote:Theres lots on here doing there stuff and its sometimes hard to realise how much effort that said person has put in.
i do realise the 'going the extra mile' it takes to get a project on the road.
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'Going the extra mile' usually takes up 90% of a days work on the car, but this is the difference between doing it right and just chucking it together
I wouldnt leave that white stuff inside the doors though mate, IMO all it will do is hold damp.
Ive seen one of those cranks on eBay BTW
I wouldnt leave that white stuff inside the doors though mate, IMO all it will do is hold damp.
Ive seen one of those cranks on eBay BTW
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Simon13
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i'm thinking the same, i think i'll get the hose pipe on the passenger door and see how wet it gets inside.
Ordered some ICE wiring today along with some more sound deadening. With this lot in i can refit the carpet. Which will be epic and give me lots to do!
Ordered some ICE wiring today along with some more sound deadening. With this lot in i can refit the carpet. Which will be epic and give me lots to do!
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yep, whip it out, amazing how much water passes through the inside of the door... 
Looking epic Si, I may be down your way this weekend might call in ?
Looking epic Si,
I may be down your way this weekend might call in ?
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I've aimed a jetwash at both my doors from varying distances with door cards off so I could see inside the doors. Passenger door is all original, drivers door 100% all new seals, trim etc etc.
Lots of water drips in. And if you've overdosed on the waxoil, your drain holes will be clogged?
I think that fabric is for lining your door cards as I have it on some spare cards.
In short, it will get very soggy.
The vapor barrier film is important here too to keep moisture away from your door cards and making them damp also - they're only cardboard after all.
Lots of water drips in. And if you've overdosed on the waxoil, your drain holes will be clogged?
I think that fabric is for lining your door cards as I have it on some spare cards.
In short, it will get very soggy.
The vapor barrier film is important here too to keep moisture away from your door cards and making them damp also - they're only cardboard after all.
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So i'm now married and that debacle is all over and now i'm even fatter with a tan.
but alas the ball has kept rolling! Weathers good isn't it? ive got so much i could get on with but theres too much snow, its minus 4 all the time and there is a 325i on the drive in the way.
Right upto the big day i've been busy. When i've had the chance getting this lot together, so i have something to do for the festive period but i guess all i'm going to is look at it all.
Remember the on going radiator drama with euros?! well there is now a happy ending as you can see!
A lovely nissens OE MANUAL tropical spec rad. This was specially ordered and i was told 8-10 working days. Well moring of the marriage came up and i realised that i hadn't gone to pick it up! so off i went lol. Matey who i've been dealing with has always said if you don't pick up quick they'll send it off back to the Wembley HQ. So in i go, its not here as i've only waited 9 working days. Prick. So i explained that i'm off for the next 2 weeks. Upon my return from honeymoon i had an answerphone messege saying it was here! So off i went, said nob end says wheres the old rad? they told me they didn't want it back. Which i then said. "Oh i need it back so are you going to pay for this new one and bring back the old one and get a refund?"
I just looked at him and tried to keep it cool!!
Anyhow we got there in the end. Theres always a retard working at a car parts place to try and ruin your day? 2 months to get a f**king rad isn't bad. Good job its not ready for the road. The amount of petrol and time its taken i could of gone to bmw paid and had it with int 3 days job done.
Here is the start of the "ice" well 2 phono leads and long length of some speaker wire. The head unit i'm going to use doesn't have an internal amp so i need the phonos as i understand to run to my external amp from the headunit. Big stuff this is for an icetard like me.
A nice lump of sound deadening. This is for the rear footwells and maybe the rear shelf like M3's and other e30's seem to have? Mine doesn't for some reason.
So if i get this lot in and my ice wiring we are ready for some carpet action to occur! Which in turn means i can get this lot in
The heater A/C box with these new gaskets and numbered temp thingy for the climate.
With the heater in the dash can go in! So we're at a special stage where it will end up with a interior which excites greatly!
Heat sheild i've forgot to fit which fits around the sterring column, and is exhaust side of the transmission tunnel/floor pan area. I noticed the old one hanging up and it twigged, but it was not shiney enough!
lovely leather gaiter from Theo so cheers again for that dopolous was here when i got home.
This was a special day people. me and car! today at the machine shop to pick up me block and pistons!! I had another answerphone messege to say it was all done, from honeymoon. (no other texts or messeges after 10 days of having my phone off lol) They originally said next year so i was pleasantly surprised! Battled the 70 mile trip through the snow to get there this place is near cirencester and came highly recommended through a contact of my dads
In the boot ready for home and a bit more traction but the weight out of the wallet emptying cancelled it out!
So its been chemically cleaned or dipped before anything else started
a major improvement on its own from this oily,rusty mess!
slugs safe and sound they were all numbered on the inside of the skirts, but i guess this makes it easier for them!
A nice clear shot of the liners
check out the hone mofos! I've stripped alot of M20's and they never ever looked like this even the best!
The money shots for proof of OE alpinaness. From looking at my touring photos of that engine and its original build sheet it would appear that the 4 digit number stamped is alpina's own engine number. The long number is what the man at sytners did. So thats cleared that one up for me. I'm guessing that if i contacted alpina direct they will have record of the engine being built. I don't think this is the number that should be stamped on the head. But at least this could let me find out i hope?
I'm thinking i might contact sytners now and source a copy of the build sheet for this very car seeing as i have all the other bits to complete its history like the service book anyhow.......
Now people slag off liners and say they can sink this that the other. they told me as Alpina are performance engines they did this intentionally. So they have left a few mm of the original bores at the bottom for the liners to sit on to ensure they'll never sink. I like it. Theres a tiny lip on some of them but the piston skirt doesn't travel anywhere near that low in the bore so it doesn't matter. The liners are fitted in an interferance style. Where i think they cool the liners down like really really cold and then fit into the block. when they expand when they warm up this is what holds them in place. The liners are a high grade of iron also to match the block material i think.
Where my pen points is so i learnt today an anti expansion ring as such cast into the piston. This is to stop the piston expanding too much when the engine is up to temp. This allows a very tight tolerance to be run on the bores. Factory spec is 0.01mm to 0.04mm. or 4 to 16 tenths on imperial. So this is what they have done. The stock 2.5 M20 pistons have it so i guess all bmw and other engines feature this.
To cap it off as the reciept says
chemical clean block
bore block for liners
modfiy liners
fit liners
rebore and finish hone to suit second hand pistons
£800 please
nice.
So 6 fresh bores suited to each slug, i've now really no money to continue! how strange this hasn't happend before has it?
Now alot of people have said don't go this route but its the original block. To me this the heart of the engine along with the head. If i had replaced this with a different one then to me its like oh the shell was too rusty too so i bought another and did a scuttle swap job.
Last jobs are to get the block painted with some new core plugs? Any ideas here? then the last job will be off to my dads workshop for a reface both ends of the block. I'll save 70 plus the VAT the other place wanted just to do the top of the block.
Next buy shells, rings, bolts and a clutch and send it all off to be balanced. You only live once.....
but alas the ball has kept rolling! Weathers good isn't it? ive got so much i could get on with but theres too much snow, its minus 4 all the time and there is a 325i on the drive in the way.
Right upto the big day i've been busy. When i've had the chance getting this lot together, so i have something to do for the festive period but i guess all i'm going to is look at it all.
Remember the on going radiator drama with euros?! well there is now a happy ending as you can see!
A lovely nissens OE MANUAL tropical spec rad. This was specially ordered and i was told 8-10 working days. Well moring of the marriage came up and i realised that i hadn't gone to pick it up! so off i went lol. Matey who i've been dealing with has always said if you don't pick up quick they'll send it off back to the Wembley HQ. So in i go, its not here as i've only waited 9 working days. Prick. So i explained that i'm off for the next 2 weeks. Upon my return from honeymoon i had an answerphone messege saying it was here! So off i went, said nob end says wheres the old rad? they told me they didn't want it back. Which i then said. "Oh i need it back so are you going to pay for this new one and bring back the old one and get a refund?"
I just looked at him and tried to keep it cool!!Anyhow we got there in the end. Theres always a retard working at a car parts place to try and ruin your day? 2 months to get a f**king rad isn't bad. Good job its not ready for the road. The amount of petrol and time its taken i could of gone to bmw paid and had it with int 3 days job done.
Here is the start of the "ice" well 2 phono leads and long length of some speaker wire. The head unit i'm going to use doesn't have an internal amp so i need the phonos as i understand to run to my external amp from the headunit. Big stuff this is for an icetard like me.
A nice lump of sound deadening. This is for the rear footwells and maybe the rear shelf like M3's and other e30's seem to have? Mine doesn't for some reason.
So if i get this lot in and my ice wiring we are ready for some carpet action to occur! Which in turn means i can get this lot in
The heater A/C box with these new gaskets and numbered temp thingy for the climate.
With the heater in the dash can go in! So we're at a special stage where it will end up with a interior which excites greatly!
Heat sheild i've forgot to fit which fits around the sterring column, and is exhaust side of the transmission tunnel/floor pan area. I noticed the old one hanging up and it twigged, but it was not shiney enough!
lovely leather gaiter from Theo so cheers again for that dopolous was here when i got home.
This was a special day people. me and car! today at the machine shop to pick up me block and pistons!! I had another answerphone messege to say it was all done, from honeymoon. (no other texts or messeges after 10 days of having my phone off lol) They originally said next year so i was pleasantly surprised! Battled the 70 mile trip through the snow to get there this place is near cirencester and came highly recommended through a contact of my dads
In the boot ready for home and a bit more traction but the weight out of the wallet emptying cancelled it out!
So its been chemically cleaned or dipped before anything else started
a major improvement on its own from this oily,rusty mess!
slugs safe and sound they were all numbered on the inside of the skirts, but i guess this makes it easier for them!
A nice clear shot of the liners
check out the hone mofos! I've stripped alot of M20's and they never ever looked like this even the best!
The money shots for proof of OE alpinaness. From looking at my touring photos of that engine and its original build sheet it would appear that the 4 digit number stamped is alpina's own engine number. The long number is what the man at sytners did. So thats cleared that one up for me. I'm guessing that if i contacted alpina direct they will have record of the engine being built. I don't think this is the number that should be stamped on the head. But at least this could let me find out i hope?
I'm thinking i might contact sytners now and source a copy of the build sheet for this very car seeing as i have all the other bits to complete its history like the service book anyhow.......
Now people slag off liners and say they can sink this that the other. they told me as Alpina are performance engines they did this intentionally. So they have left a few mm of the original bores at the bottom for the liners to sit on to ensure they'll never sink. I like it. Theres a tiny lip on some of them but the piston skirt doesn't travel anywhere near that low in the bore so it doesn't matter. The liners are fitted in an interferance style. Where i think they cool the liners down like really really cold and then fit into the block. when they expand when they warm up this is what holds them in place. The liners are a high grade of iron also to match the block material i think.
Where my pen points is so i learnt today an anti expansion ring as such cast into the piston. This is to stop the piston expanding too much when the engine is up to temp. This allows a very tight tolerance to be run on the bores. Factory spec is 0.01mm to 0.04mm. or 4 to 16 tenths on imperial. So this is what they have done. The stock 2.5 M20 pistons have it so i guess all bmw and other engines feature this.
To cap it off as the reciept says
chemical clean block
bore block for liners
modfiy liners
fit liners
rebore and finish hone to suit second hand pistons
£800 please
nice.
So 6 fresh bores suited to each slug, i've now really no money to continue! how strange this hasn't happend before has it?
Now alot of people have said don't go this route but its the original block. To me this the heart of the engine along with the head. If i had replaced this with a different one then to me its like oh the shell was too rusty too so i bought another and did a scuttle swap job.
Last jobs are to get the block painted with some new core plugs? Any ideas here? then the last job will be off to my dads workshop for a reface both ends of the block. I'll save 70 plus the VAT the other place wanted just to do the top of the block.
Next buy shells, rings, bolts and a clutch and send it all off to be balanced. You only live once.....
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glenn
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faiplay to you si, when you do an update, it's always a decent one, a good read
do alpina blocks come in any specific colour? or are they 'bmw black'?simon13 wrote:Last jobs are to get the block painted with some new core plugs? Any ideas here?