identify whether my ecu is a hartge one or standard type

[kieranbusak9]

hi guys i need your help....

i wanted a speed touch chip for a car that i did a conversion on earlier in the year,i have since had time to take out the ecu to record all the numbers etc on it...the car is a 325i but engine is from a 535 sport 1992 e34 model,the engine is quite a rare one i think?? its a hartge 240hp m30 engine,the engine is the single overhead cam engine,i can confirm this because the pistons are forged type only used by hartge...i want to know if the ecu is a hartge one used by them or just a generic standard one because i want to tune it, i have mistakinly got the abs ecu out from the glove box like a t**t! so i will have the ecu numbers by tomorrow afternoon lol....

i know it might be a question for a hardcore e34 fan but im sure quite a few guys have great bmw knowledge...so please help and who knows i might be able to assist you in the future.

kieran

[kieranbusak9]

update! right had the ecu out today and it turns out to have the following numbers on it...
bosch 0 261 200 179 but....
also a hartge sticker with lots of written numbers on it as if somebody at the factory might have used an identification number for that ecu, so is it worth me getting a chip for the ecu or shall i leave it as it is? my friend personally did 177mph in the 535 e34 donor car before we ripped its engine out and put it in the 325. i have a picture of the ecu but like most things i am not computer literate!
any help would be appreciated guys thankyou

[Rav335uk]

Leave the Hartge ECU alone and connected to the loom!!!

If you want to "Chip" it, get yourself a 325 ECU and use Speedtouches M30 chip in that.

Rav

[town325i]

Leave the Hartge ECU alone and connected to the loom!!!

If you want to "Chip" it, get yourself a 325 ECU and use Speedtouches M30 chip in that.

Rav

Does that work then rav a m20 ecu with m30 chip? Anyway why down grade the chip just use the Hartge ECU a chip be of no benefit as the ecu when mapped would of been done for that engine with the mods it has to get the best out of it

[Rav335uk]

Leave the Hartge ECU alone and connected to the loom!!!

If you want to "Chip" it, get yourself a 325 ECU and use Speedtouches M30 chip in that.

Rav

Does that work then rav a m20 ecu with m30 chip? Anyway why down grade the chip just use the Hartge ECU a chip be of no benefit as the ecu when mapped would of been done for that engine with the mods it has to get the best out of it

Yes Mark, i'm running one atm, as the origional ECU was a 2 tier and chip is soldered in.

As said before that's the only route, but I don't see it giving anymore power.

[kieranbusak9]

cheers rav! i was certain that it might have been mapped by hartge as it had some crazy numbers on it....i would love to know how the car is running afr wise. but it was idling wuite high when i got the conversion sorted. might be a sensor and looking at the ecu now it makes sense why it had my other mates m30 pants down. its supposed to be a 240bhp motor but i have no information,ian i met at the show has lots of info. i also have another engine in my place a 24v hartge m30...bit special that one is and i might save that as its a 267bhp n/a engine...extremeley rare. so is the one im running now mind

[Rav335uk]

Any pics of the M30 one in the bay????

[town325i]

Will it be a M30 then if its a 24v?

[Rav335uk]

The on he's running now is, the other isn't it'll be M88 iirc.

[kieranbusak9]

yes course...i'm not too far from you if you wanna come and see whenever you get time? i will take some pics tomorrow for you mate. pm me your email and i will send you as many as you want. the rocker cover is off and bits everywhere but i'm sure you can see,rocker cover is hartge aswell,so are the forged pistons etc...i have all the photos for those.

[Rav335uk]

Seeing it in the flesh will be better, PM me you addy.
?How far are you from me

Rav

[pacerpete]

update! right had the ecu out today and it turns out to have the following numbers on it...
bosch 0 261 200 179 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              0 261 200 179      end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              0 261 200 179      end_of_the_skype_highlighting but....
also a hartge sticker with lots of written numbers on it as if somebody at the factory might have used an identification number for that ecu, so is it worth me getting a chip for the ecu or shall i leave it as it is? *MY FRIEND PERSONALLY DID 177 MPH IN THE 535 E34 DONOR CAR *before we ripped its engine out and put it in the 325. i have a picture of the ecu but like most things i am not computer literate!
any help would be appreciated guys thankyou

Your friend is obviously suffering from severe constipation and needs some of this !

[kieranbusak9]

lol pacerpete......top speed on this particular engine was a little bit more than the 535 sport engine due to a few mods. i didn't mention the engine had mods,i wanted to post pics of it after completed....we drift mainly but needed a street car to potter around in. you sound like you have taken some of that movicol yourself there bud?

[pacerpete]

. pacerpete......top speed on this particular engine was a little bit more than the 535 sport engine due to a few mods. i didn't mention the engine had mods,i wanted to post pics of it after completed....we drift mainly but needed a street car to potter around in. you sound like you have taken some of that movicol yourself there bud?

Ah, your a 'drifter', that explains everything........

[kieranbusak9]

also have my own business selling suzuki GSXR parts....do cracking wheelies too,bet you look down on eveybody who can do something you can't

[pacerpete]

also have my own business selling suzuki GSXR parts....do cracking wheelies too,bet you look down on eveybody who can do something you can't

Yes, you are correct. One day I would love to be able to type in Hebrew. My life would then be complete !

[bss325i]

There is no way in hell a Hartge H5 (the 240bhp E34 model) will do 177mph!

[kieranbusak9]

listen this ain't a thread where i wanted to ask everybody whether the hartge h5 will do 177mph or not! nobody knows what the hell i or the previous owner has done internally modification wise.so please if you have something to say,do it in the relevant area...this is a technical help thread. everybody loves the keyboard warriors on forums,thats whyi try to stay clear of them,thanks for the encouraging help.

[pacerpete]

listen this ain't a thread where i wanted to ask everybody whether the hartge h5 will do 177mph or not! nobody knows what the hell i or the previous owner has done internally modification wise.so please if you have something to say,do it in the relevant area...this is a technical help thread. everybody loves the keyboard warriors on forums,thats whyi try to stay clear of them,thanks for the encouraging help.

On the contrary, lots of us have E34s / cars with M30 engines and we would love some 'technical' tips on how we could get them to do 177 mph.
Pray tell ?

[Cloggy Saint]

also have my own business selling suzuki GSXR parts....do cracking wheelies too,bet you look down on eveybody who can do something you can't

No no no, he just looks down on everybody

[pacerpete]

also have my own business selling suzuki GSXR parts....do cracking wheelies too,bet you look down on eveybody who can do something you can't

No no no, he just looks down on everybody

Thats unfair. Only 320 pilots and driftcocks

[kieranbusak9]

real nice stuff guys...keep it coming.

[bss325i]

Ok you want some technical help.

The Hartge ECU will be a reprogramed motronic 535i ECU and will be matched to the Hartge engine spec so chiping it is a bad idea!

The 240bhp Hartge H5 spec did not used forged pistons and was just a worked head, cam, reprogramed ECU and exhaust system and was based on the 535i.

The Alpina B10 3.5 on the other hand was a more thorough rework of the M30B35 engine.
That had forged Mahle pistons, M88B35 rods, worked head, cam, exhaust, reprgramed ECU to give 258bhp.

As for doing 177mph, it takes the Alpina B10 Bi Turbo 360bhp to crack 180mph on a good day so you would need around that to stand a chance of reaching that.

As for not knowing what internal mods your friend did, well you will struggle to get 300bhp out of an M30 engine without forced induction!

[kieranbusak9]

Ok you want some technical help.

The Hartge ECU will be a reprogramed motronic 535i ECU and will be matched to the Hartge engine spec so chiping it is a bad idea!

The 240bhp Hartge H5 spec did not used forged pistons and was just a worked head, cam, reprogramed ECU and exhaust system and was based on the 535i.

The Alpina B10 3.5 on the other hand was a more thorough rework of the M30B35 engine.
That had forged Mahle pistons, M88B35 rods, worked head, cam, exhaust, reprgramed ECU to give 258bhp.

As for doing 177mph, it takes the Alpina B10 Bi Turbo 360bhp to crack 180mph on a good day so you would need around that to stand a chance of reaching that.

As for not knowing what internal mods your friend did, well you will struggle to get 300bhp out of an M30 engine without forced induction!

thanks for the heads up....to be honest mate,i know the difference between forged pistons and standard type...i see you know your bmw engines thats great,i didn't ask to be belittled on this forum....and to be fair,kids wouldn't take this kinda crap in the playground so why should i? infact you sound like a right t**t and i would love to meet you just to see the look on your face when you stand in front of a 16.5 stone cage fighting musclehead...add me on facebook and see for yourself bud everybody hates a keyboard warrior and i'm not standing for this shit anymore.

[bss325i]

Ok you want some technical help.

The Hartge ECU will be a reprogramed motronic 535i ECU and will be matched to the Hartge engine spec so chiping it is a bad idea!

The 240bhp Hartge H5 spec did not used forged pistons and was just a worked head, cam, reprogramed ECU and exhaust system and was based on the 535i.

The Alpina B10 3.5 on the other hand was a more thorough rework of the M30B35 engine.
That had forged Mahle pistons, M88B35 rods, worked head, cam, exhaust, reprgramed ECU to give 258bhp.

As for doing 177mph, it takes the Alpina B10 Bi Turbo 360bhp to crack 180mph on a good day so you would need around that to stand a chance of reaching that.

As for not knowing what internal mods your friend did, well you will struggle to get 300bhp out of an M30 engine without forced induction!

thanks for the heads up....to be honest mate,i know the difference between forged pistons and standard type...i see you know your bmw engines thats great,i didn't ask to be belittled on this forum....and to be fair,kids wouldn't take this kinda crap in the playground so why should i? infact you sound like a right t**t and i would love to meet you just to see the look on your face when you stand in front of a 16.5 stone cage fighting musclehead...add me on facebook and see for yourself bud everybody hates a keyboard warrior and i'm not standing for this shit anymore.

All i have done is state some facts and advice and im sorry that you dont like what your hearing but its true.

I dont see any belittling in anything i have posted in this thread.

As for being a keyboard warior?

Im not the one giving it about being a 16.5 stone cage fighter!

[bss325i]

Nice PM, thanks!

fair play to you mate for knowing your engines....please do me a favour and let me know...are you some kind of pussy who loves belittling people? meet me anywhere and i would belittle you 10 times over...

[trevski]

Ok you want some technical help.

The Hartge ECU will be a reprogramed motronic 535i ECU and will be matched to the Hartge engine spec so chiping it is a bad idea!

The 240bhp Hartge H5 spec did not used forged pistons and was just a worked head, cam, reprogramed ECU and exhaust system and was based on the 535i.

The Alpina B10 3.5 on the other hand was a more thorough rework of the M30B35 engine.
That had forged Mahle pistons, M88B35 rods, worked head, cam, exhaust, reprgramed ECU to give 258bhp.

As for doing 177mph, it takes the Alpina B10 Bi Turbo 360bhp to crack 180mph on a good day so you would need around that to stand a chance of reaching that.

As for not knowing what internal mods your friend did, well you will struggle to get 300bhp out of an M30 engine without forced induction!

thanks for the heads up....to be honest mate,i know the difference between forged pistons and standard type...i see you know your bmw engines thats great,i didn't ask to be belittled on this forum....and to be fair,kids wouldn't take this kinda crap in the playground so why should i? infact you sound like a right t**t and i would love to meet you just to see the look on your face when you stand in front of a 16.5 stone cage fighting musclehead...add me on facebook and see for yourself bud everybody hates a keyboard warrior and i'm not standing for this shit anymore.

to many fizzy drinks

[kieranbusak9]

lol no fizzy drinks,don't drink....just idiots jumping on peoples threads acting like they know everything and making newbies feel belittled. i see it happening time and time again...i'm sure it isn't just me who feels like this.

[e30topless]

i see you know your bmw engines thats great,i didn't ask to be belittled on this forum....and to be fair,kids wouldn't take this kinda crap in the playground so why should i? infact you sound like a right t**t and i would love to meet you just to see the look on your face when you stand in front of a 16.5 stone cage fighting musclehead...add me on facebook and see for yourself bud everybody hates a keyboard warrior and i'm not standing for this shit anymore.

Barry does know his BMW engines

he is not trying to insult you he is merely giving you an answer to your question ?

facebook, playground, cage fighting ? what's all that about ?

[kieranbusak9]

its all about the fact that i'm always nice to people because were all into the same cars,but when somebody takes it that one step further it becomes insulting....so let me say it again...i am stating the facts now. i hate being belittled especially when it happens too many times on the same thread.

[bss325i]

Show me where i have insulted or belittled you.

[E30BeemerLad]

Dude, calm down.

BSS answered your query with some relevant facts, not an attempt to belittle you.

Some earlier responses had gone off target and I accept that.

Now cease with the threats to people and anyone who has not got anything constructive to add, keep out.

Any more grief and it gets locked guys

[e30topless]

back on topic,

if it is a genuine Hartge ECU it will have Hartge stamped into the Aluminium casing along with a signed sticker from the technician who did the install,

here's a picture of mine,



if yours is a genuine one leave it alone it will be matched to the engine

[Rav335uk]

Kieran,
One thing you have to know about Barry is he's very forward and sometimes abrubt with his replies, it's taken me a few years to grasp that, even I used to think he was on his "High Horse" all the time.
But Barry knows his BM's mate, and has helped out a quite a few people on here with info on there cars.
There rest ,as Lee has said, just love to "Spam", but as a newbie you won't know many on this forum, but take the replies with a pinch of salt mate, or ignore them and answer the replies you want to.

Rav

[kieranbusak9]

back on topic,

if it is a genuine Hartge ECU it will have Hartge stamped into the Aluminium casing along with a signed sticker from the technician who did the install,

here's a picture of mine,



if yours is a genuine one leave it alone it will be matched to the engine

now thats an answer! mine does have that stamp and lots of handwritten numbers on it etc....

rav thanks for the advice mate...and apologies for feeling this way.