Hartge Underpants

Post Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:28 pm

Does anyone know where i can get these? Which cars they came with?

Me and Demlotcrew are after these and some Alpenis Y-fronts too if anyone knows about them.

Saw some alpina Y's on ebay with a proper hand stitched logo on them but the guy wanted Ãƒ”šÃ‚£40 for them! what a joker

Thanks guys

Post Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:29 pm

n e chance of a link simon?

Post Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:29 pm

LOL !

Talking of Hartge, hows the ARBs ??

Post Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:34 pm

i've got the front on after not too much swearing this week. Just building up my strength patience for the rear one this weekend!

I've noticed a massive difference with just the front alone. With the strut brace too, I feel the shocks and springs are showing their real worth now when cornering. Very impressed so far.

Starting to feel like a complete package now and it inspiring driving now. The car is just so flat.

So if H&R make ARB's of the same diameter as these hartge bars them BUY THEM!!!! one of the best mods imo Andy. Let u know when i get the rear on on too!

Post Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:51 pm

Uprated roll bars make a big differance, i had some M5 Touring roll bars on my old E34 and loved them.

It was cheaper to get them brand new from BMW than buying aftermarket ones like H+R !!

I think i paid about 210 for both bars with new D clamps and bushs.

I didn't know about the diameter of the H+Rs, when i get around to changing them i will be using H+Rs !

Post Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:54 pm

Simon13 wrote:i've got the front on after not too much swearing this week. Just building up my strength patience for the rear one this weekend!

I've noticed a massive difference with just the front alone. With the strut brace too, I feel the shocks and springs are showing their real worth now when cornering. Very impressed so far.

Starting to feel like a complete package now and it inspiring driving now. The car is just so flat.

So if H&R make ARB's of the same diameter as these hartge bars them BUY THEM!!!! one of the best mods imo Andy. Let u know when i get the rear on on too!

This is the feeling I get from the Hartge recipe.....once you get that 'package' right the handling is fantastic. This is one of the understated mods which Hartge got spot on with the beefed up ARB coupled with their springs and billy sports.....

Sounds like you have got it spot on now Si .....nice one !!

Post Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:59 pm

Hartge Underpants

Simon13 wrote:Does anyone know where i can get these?

Simon13 wrote:I've noticed a massive difference with just the front alone. With the strut brace too.

Starting to feel like a complete package now. Let u know when i get the rear on on too!

Sorry couldnt resist

Post Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:01 pm

HartgeH27 wrote: This is the feeling I get from the Hartge recipe.....once you get that 'package' right the handling is fantastic.

your killing me

Post Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:04 pm

Simon, did you fit the strut brace before you did the front arb? I have ordered one of the sparco jobbies off the zone shop and am just waiting for it to arrive and was curious as to what change you noticed if you did the brace in isolation?

ta
lee

Post Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:11 pm

E30BeemerLad wrote:Simon, did you fit the strut brace before you did the front arb? I have ordered one of the sparco jobbies off the zone shop and am just waiting for it to arrive and was curious as to what change you noticed if you did the brace in isolation?

ta
lee

Being serious I also have brace on order from the Zone Shop but im getting it fitted at the same time my whole suspension is being changed so would be interested in the reply

Post Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:19 pm

Lee i fitted the brace before the roll bars

I noticed with the strut brace that it soaks up alot of the bumps in the road and makes the ride better, but also noticed a good difference in the handling. What i've found with the brace and the bars is i feel i'm getting full use now out of my springs and shocks. U can feel them working more when cornering which is nice as they cost a bloody lot!

I was speaking to jonb at ace cafe last nite about the bars and he agreed with me, that adding things like these, often over looked components that these change an E30 from a quite lairy in the wet old skool RWD car into a very good handling car. I can't believe the difference they are definately a must if u love the bends.

Did u know that 325i cabbys came with a 22mm front roll bar which is the same as the hartge one! but i expect u cannot buy a fat rear bar on it's own. Oh and they are an utter f**king nightmare to fit if u ask me!

Post Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:17 pm

so no one is up for a few pairs for christmas then?

We could get E30 zone chunderpants made maybe? 3 types, Y fronts, "briefs" and boxers.

They could be kept in davetourings car for when u go out for a ride with him and soil on the leather seats.

oh by the way

David and Malco are in BMW car mag on the write up about Gaydon, in the middle of the big picture of the field. Dave has a green top on and still looks 9 foot tall. He is next to his and my car i think but is small. So have a look

Well done boys ya famous

Post Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:36 pm

Hehhee.

I bought BMW Car and TOTAL BMW and spotted myself, Tyler, and a little pic of Simon13s Sport with the 'Ring sticker on!! WOOHOO!

Post Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:25 pm

Simon13 wrote:so no one is up for a few pairs for christmas then?

We could get E30 zone chunderpants made maybe? 3 types, Y fronts, "briefs" and boxers.

Im waiting for the brochure to come from the company that I want to use to get the zone caps made, ill see what they do

Post Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:51 pm

wicked i would model them and put pictures up of my splendid/toned/ripped/chiseled body

Post Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:10 pm

Simon, put the lid back on the marker pen

Post Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:55 pm

Interesting stuff. Thinking of getting front and rear strut braces too.

Post Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:23 pm

The H&R ARB's are 22mm front and 18mm Rear.

Fitting aint fun!

Post Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:50 pm

Sorry im on a thred reserection trip at the moment, this just made me LOL

Post Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:32 am

dam this is over a year old!

Post Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:57 pm

LOL.....!!!

Post Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:42 am

HartgeH27 wrote:
Simon13 wrote:i've got the front on after not too much swearing this week. Just building up my strength patience for the rear one this weekend!

I've noticed a massive difference with just the front alone. With the strut brace too, I feel the shocks and springs are showing their real worth now when cornering. Very impressed so far.

Starting to feel like a complete package now and it inspiring driving now. The car is just so flat.

So if H&R make ARB's of the same diameter as these hartge bars them BUY THEM!!!! one of the best mods imo Andy. Let u know when i get the rear on on too!
This is the feeling I get from the Hartge recipe.....once you get that 'package' right the handling is fantastic. This is one of the understated mods which Hartge got spot on with the beefed up ARB coupled with their springs and billy sports.....

Sounds like you have got it spot on now Si .....nice one !!

so does the E30 Hartge suspension package include ordinary Bilstein sport shocks (rather than ones specially made for Hartge)?

thanks

Post Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:53 pm

no they would be inverted bilsteins revalved to hartge spec i expect

Post Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:06 pm

I've got a pair of BMW boxer shorts - is it ok to put an ///M patch on them even though they have no ///M elastic in them?

Post Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:12 pm

Chris-W wrote:I've got a pair of BMW boxer shorts - is it ok to put an ///M patch on them even though they have no ///M elastic in them?

si, what diameter are the anti-roll bars???

Post Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:23 pm

my anti roll bar is very thick lol

H&R or Hartge bars?

Post Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:21 pm

both...

and dont be rude

Post Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:25 pm

H&R - 22mm front 3 way adjust, 18mm 2 way adjust

Hartge - 22mm front 3 way adjust, 16mm rear non adjust

Post Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:51 am

You sure the Hartge bar is 16mm rear? Kevin @ Birds said it was 18mm.

Seeing as Hartge bars are no longer available - H&R seems to be the only choice.

Post Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:36 am

my hartge rear bar is 16mm

Post Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:31 pm

Sal i'm not 100% sure i always thought it was 18mm also but never measured.

When i get my hartge bars back ( they are fitted on Demlotcrew's car!) then i will measure them properly cos if it's 18mm then i can settle for these as they cost me Ãƒ”šÃ‚£100 and were brand new never fitted! So i can save Ãƒ”šÃ‚£300 on some H&R's and lose the 2 way adjustment on the rear

BUT!

consulting my Racing Dynamic's book

they offered the following

23mm
22mm front both 2 way adjust

16mm
15mm rear both 2 way adjust

could hartge of been the same?!

RD drop links are also tasty and very different to bmw standard ones

U can still buy this stuff from the USA for not to bad money!