Clutch problem..What is it with me and clutches? :-S

[Rav335uk]

Saw that, was that after a run?

[Cypriotgeeza]

thats the old clutch that came out of it! the pedal only goes down halfway with the new clutch and goes hard..

i looked on my i.S today and the part where the clutch master cylinder meets the clutch pedal is perfectly straight where on the frankenstein its bent which in turn bent the pushrod for the master cylinder.. maybe that has something to do with it also?

[Cypriotgeeza]

looks quite similiar to this does it not?

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do ... g=23&fg=05

and thats an E28

[e21Jason]

Hi If it's an e28 box there will be two holes in the side of the bell housing were the crank sensors fited, and when you changed the clutch was there a single pin sticking out of the flywheel at the edge.

Jason

[Cypriotgeeza]

first of all id like to say thanx for getting back to me!

by a single pin do you mean like a locating dowel for the clutch plate to locate on?

i cant say i remember any holes on the side of the bell housing to be honest mate, do you have any pics or an external link to show what you mean?

[leeparkes]

Just got a message from Jay

As for the clutch i dont have any idea the gearbox was all ready on the engine when i picked it up in wales and we just put it in. i asked paz last night and he didnt know either

If my memory is in order he brought it from a guy on here called Blitz877, he had a thread in the photo gallery

Ill try and find it


Edit: http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... highlight=

I could be wrong but im sure jay went to south wales to pick this up off Blitz, does it resemble your engine?

[Rav335uk]

That gearbox looks the same

[Cypriotgeeza]

i think we are getting somewhere!!! it definantly resembles my gearbox, The sticker is on the same side and the lines look very similiar..

Seriously cant thank you guys enough!! i guess there really is still good people in the world!

Im going to pm "Blitz877" and ask him a few questions, ill keep you guys posted

[Cypriotgeeza]

Well blits doesnt know either so im going to have to do this the hard way..might aswell buy an E28 clutch and put it in..does anyone know where i can get one from for a 3.5 engine?

also do i have to buy an E28 specific slave cylinder or is it the same as the E34 one?

[Rav335uk]

Was this ever running in the car when Blitzz had it?

[Cypriotgeeza]

didnt ask him that to be honest Rav..Paz had good things to say about how quick the car was tho so it must have been running at some point..probably not very well judging by how badly the clutch bearing and plate was damaged tho

[leeparkes]

Who did blitz buy it off

[Rav335uk]

and round and round and round we go

[Cypriotgeeza]

Who did blitz buy it off

haha Blitz said he got it from an E30 his boss (at the time) was breaking...i was so tempted to ask him if he could ask his boss but thought id be taking the pi*#

got underneath it today in my lunch break and found a number on the side of the box..going to put it in Real OEM and see what it comes up with

**EDIT** ok just put it in and nothing was found

This is what was on the side of the box:

260.0.1302.92

is there anyway i can find out what that is for?

[Cypriotgeeza]

ok so i joined up to "MyE28" to see if anyone could give me some insight into this gearbox i have and what clutch to use and one member wrote this back:

It appears to be a Getrag 260/6, which is the normal gearbox for an M30B35. I suspect that someone has either installed the incorrect release bearing or the whole release bearing has simply come apart. You should be able to use a standard E34 535i clutch kit with no issues. I just noticed the rubbing from the release for. Make sure that the pivot stud is in good shape (passenger side of the bell housing.) The rubbing could have just happened from the bearing coming apart

hmm now im thinking maybe my slave cylinder needs replacement

**EDIT** he also wrote this back

The problem could be related to the flywheel. I know that the flywheel thickness changes on the eta to accommodate the change from single to dual mass, but I am unsure if this is the case with the M30 since it has never come up with any of my cars. That is definitely an E34 gearbox, as it does not have holes drilled for bell housing sensors.

Now that you have shown the other clutch, I can see what might be the issue. Once, my old boss installed a 325i single mass flywheel and clutch in a 325e that came with a dual mass. He had the same issue with the clutch not disengaging and the pedal stopping before the floor. Turns out the whole assembly was thinner overall and the slave could not move far enough to disengage it. We had to lengthen the slave pushrod (the cop-out fix) to make it work. The best way would be to install a thicker release bearing, but I'm not sure which one you would need. I will check into it later when I have time unless someone else solves your problem first

[leeparkes]

Could he ID the clutch you took off?

[Cypriotgeeza]

nah he didnt say anything about the old clutch he is dead certain its an E34 box tho, i might just try what he has advised and see what happens from there

[Rav335uk]

he is dead certain its an E34 box tho

Looks nothing like mine.
Wonder if the design was changed?

[Cypriotgeeza]

ok so i just got home and guess what!? it didnt work and because im not a person to give up easily its time for plan D (or isit E i've lost count now )

i think its time i got a genuine E34 gearbox and flywheel and stop messing around with this mis match i have on my car because its getting me nowhere!!

so does anybody know anyone with an E34 gearbox/flywheel for sale??

[Rav335uk]

Does the flywheel have a part number on it anywhere on it, normally on the outside by the teeth????

[Cypriotgeeza]

i didnt look for it to be honest Rav, why?

my problem is i cant get the box off to examine things because its at work and we need the ramp..hence why im just looking to get the correct parts and just get it on the ramp..sort it..then drive it off

[leeparkes]

Was the clutch working fine before? ie when you brought the car.

[Cypriotgeeza]

No it has never been working, but "paz" told me it went a few days before i went to pick it up, which i really dont believe anymore as that release bearing looked like it had been rubbing for some time!

running out of options here

What would you guys do in my situation?

[Rav335uk]

Go onto the 5forum, and put up a wanted add.

[leeparkes]

I still think the problem is fitting a dualmass clutch to a single mass fly

If you find a manual gearbox ill take this Frankenstien one off you

[leeparkes]

How you getting on?

[Cypriotgeeza]

My gearbox and flywheel came today peeps! it looks like the one in your build thread lee so im very hopeful now! i will get pics tomorrow and am going to go in on my day off on tuesday to fit it..so everyone fingers firmly crossed please haha

[leeparkes]

Good good

Just a thought, what prop do you have? 325i prop is 1483mm

You might need a 325i linkage too

[Cypriotgeeza]

Good good

Just a thought, what prop do you have? 325i prop is 1483mm

You might need a 325i linkage too

not sure tbh but it mated up to the frankenstein box fine and the rubber "quibo" ( i think its called that) looks about the same..

the rear part of the prop has "328 manual" on it

[leeparkes]

the rear part of the prop has "328 manual" on it

Is there a part number on it?

If the frankenstien box is longer than the E34 box the prop wont fit

Then again if its an E36 328i manual prop it should be the correct length (give or take a few mm) and you get to keep the large guibo too

[Cypriotgeeza]

im sure theres going to be something else to crop up and mess things up again haha just hoping its the right prop! you guys will be the first to know!

[Rav335uk]

Interesting

[Cypriotgeeza]

ok got a couple of pics of the box and flywheel which came yesterday! hope this looks more familiar to everyone

yet again not the best quality--need to get my digi cam back of my little sis!!

Gearbox


Flywheel compared to old clutch


the clutch which was attached to the flywheel was exactly the same as the one i bought recently so its a good sign..Tuesday is the day!! i will keep you guys posted

[Rav335uk]

Looks like they are the right ones.
Will it all be done by the weekend then?

[Cypriotgeeza]

Looks like they are the right ones.
Will it all be done by the weekend then?

fingers crossed Rav man! i will probably fit the red wings for now also as i cant drive around with the state of the current wings