THE best sat E30 m3 i've ever seen!

[bootyman]

Needless to say i like it, bar the cheap tinted windows I dont get why some people get so upset when someone else does something to their own car! It's an M3 AND? To me a car is a car. If you like to keep things standard then great, go buy one and keep it that way, but some people like style over comfort so if the man wants to buy an M3 and remove the suspension and put massive rims on it to the point a Fiesta can out handle it, who cares! Yes i know this is a forum and every one is entitled to their openion, but i just think some people need to take a chill pill and give their openion without having a hemerage. Personally i have yet to come across any car which i think is too sacred to be chopped or council'd as you lot would call it. If i get the itch it would get the Booty treatment and i would have loved to have got my hands on the M3 Bonkers bought so i coul murder it!

[kam325itouring]

i Like the car alot!!!! but thats me... also the guy originally posted the car on Stanceworks which is a site on mainly erm Stance, how it looks.... not on e30zone. If this was posted on autobahn25 or ed38 people would be lovin it!!!! Fine its decked and he has a bit of poke on the rear with stretch tyres, the ride is prob not the best but it looks the nuts. My car is low, scrapes on speed humps and on wheels not intended for the car but its the look i wanted.

kam

[beemerbird]

I know this is a forum and every one is entitled to their openion, but i just think some people need to take a chill pill and give their openion without having a hemerage.

Wise words, Bootyman

[kam325itouring]

Needless to say i like it, bar the cheap tinted windows I dont get why some people get so upset when someone else does something to their own car! It's an M3 AND? To me a car is a car. If you like to keep things standard then great, go buy one and keep it that way, but some people like style over comfort so if the man wants to buy an M3 and remove the suspension and put massive rims on it to the point a Fiesta can out handle it, who cares! Yes i know this is a forum and every one is entitled to their openion, but i just think some people need to take a chill pill and give their openion without having a hemerage. Personally i have yet to come across any car which i think is too sacred to be chopped or council'd as you lot would call it. If i get the itch it would get the Booty treatment and i would have loved to have got my hands on the M3 Bonkers bought so i coul murder it!

thank you well said, i was trying to say this, but the "bonkers M3" i would leave just cos of the history behind it and the milage.

[Andyboy]

The race m3's from back in the day were lowered properly. A body drop, so the geometry stays the same. This will almost certainly just be on the bump stops.

erm. Nooo

Suspension points have to stay the same under Homologation. BMW/Merc et al could just throw money at it to get it right. And don't think that any DTM car would be useable on the road. So stiff!

Not so. Late E30 M3 2.5 race cars had special inner wings with raised and relocated strut towers.

[Shaheenk]

Better stance.

Also the best colour to have an M3 IMO.

Sorry for the Hi-Jack but what wheel is on this car, size more then offset. and where would I find a set.

[Jhonno]

The race m3's from back in the day were lowered properly. A body drop, so the geometry stays the same. This will almost certainly just be on the bump stops.

erm. Nooo

Suspension points have to stay the same under Homologation. BMW/Merc et al could just throw money at it to get it right. And don't think that any DTM car would be useable on the road. So stiff!

Not so. Late E30 M3 2.5 race cars had special inner wings with raised and relocated strut towers.

They were massively worked in this area!!

[oldroydsr4]

Needless to say i like it, bar the cheap tinted windows I dont get why some people get so upset when someone else does something to their own car! It's an M3 AND? To me a car is a car. If you like to keep things standard then great, go buy one and keep it that way, but some people like style over comfort so if the man wants to buy an M3 and remove the suspension and put massive rims on it to the point a Fiesta can out handle it, who cares! Yes i know this is a forum and every one is entitled to their openion, but i just think some people need to take a chill pill and give their openion without having a hemerage. Personally i have yet to come across any car which i think is too sacred to be chopped or council'd as you lot would call it. If i get the itch it would get the Booty treatment and i would have loved to have got my hands on the M3 Bonkers bought so i coul murder it!

Finally someone who shares a similar opinion to me.

I was starting to think this place was full if flat cap wearing, pipe smoking , old men.

[bootyman]

Needless to say i like it, bar the cheap tinted windows I dont get why some people get so upset when someone else does something to their own car! It's an M3 AND? To me a car is a car. If you like to keep things standard then great, go buy one and keep it that way, but some people like style over comfort so if the man wants to buy an M3 and remove the suspension and put massive rims on it to the point a Fiesta can out handle it, who cares! Yes i know this is a forum and every one is entitled to their openion, but i just think some people need to take a chill pill and give their openion without having a hemerage. Personally i have yet to come across any car which i think is too sacred to be chopped or council'd as you lot would call it. If i get the itch it would get the Booty treatment and i would have loved to have got my hands on the M3 Bonkers bought so i coul murder it!

Finally someone who shares a similar opinion to me.

I was starting to think this place was full if flat cap wearing, pipe smoking , old men.

Not at all mate. Most here are purists to the letter, but there are a few who like slight modded and even fewer who like the mental like myself. The way i look at it, if it aint scraping, it aint lowered! lol. I understand an M3 is known for it's handling potential, but not everyone who buys one is interested in that aspect. Someone maybe into pure cruizing, but buy an M3 for the looks and mod it for that. Does that make him a Moron or Wrong? I have 2 turbo's, Noz with just about everything you can do to a cars suspention to improve it on my car, but i have no interest in speed or going round corners what so ever. I just like to chill with my sounds blaring and the wind blowing in my hair! Opps i dont have any hair, but you get the drift And by the way i have owned several M3's in the past. It's a shame it was before i accquired a taste for chopping cause it would have been interesting to see how many i kill

[suchy]

Needless to say i like it, bar the cheap tinted windows I dont get why some people get so upset when someone else does something to their own car! It's an M3 AND? To me a car is a car. If you like to keep things standard then great, go buy one and keep it that way, but some people like style over comfort so if the man wants to buy an M3 and remove the suspension and put massive rims on it to the point a Fiesta can out handle it, who cares! Yes i know this is a forum and every one is entitled to their openion, but i just think some people need to take a chill pill and give their openion without having a hemerage. Personally i have yet to come across any car which i think is too sacred to be chopped or council'd as you lot would call it. If i get the itch it would get the Booty treatment and i would have loved to have got my hands on the M3 Bonkers bought so i coul murder it!

Finally someone who shares a similar opinion to me.

I was starting to think this place was full if flat cap wearing, pipe smoking , old men.

Even though we are all petrolheads on here, there is a distinct difference between a car enthusiast and a modder!! We have OEM Homos and Scene Homos all arguing happily

[DanThe]

Needless to say i like it, bar the cheap tinted windows I dont get why some people get so upset when someone else does something to their own car! It's an M3 AND? To me a car is a car. If you like to keep things standard then great, go buy one and keep it that way, but some people like style over comfort so if the man wants to buy an M3 and remove the suspension and put massive rims on it to the point a Fiesta can out handle it, who cares! Yes i know this is a forum and every one is entitled to their openion, but i just think some people need to take a chill pill and give their openion without having a hemerage. Personally i have yet to come across any car which i think is too sacred to be chopped or council'd as you lot would call it. If i get the itch it would get the Booty treatment and i would have loved to have got my hands on the M3 Bonkers bought so i coul murder it!

Finally someone who shares a similar opinion to me.

I was starting to think this place was full if flat cap wearing, pipe smoking , old men.

Even though we are all petrolheads on here, there is a distinct difference between a car enthusiast and a modder!! We have OEM Homos and Scene Homos all arguing happily

Indeed, I couldnt live with a standard E30, it HAS to be modified, but in a way that it drives better, not worse.

[Jhonno]

Finally someone who shares a similar opinion to me.

I was starting to think this place was full if flat cap wearing, pipe smoking , old men.

Even though we are all petrolheads on here, there is a distinct difference between a car enthusiast and a modder!! We have OEM Homos and Scene Homos all arguing happily

Indeed, I couldnt live with a standard E30, it HAS to be modified, but in a way that it drives better, not worse.

Nail head BAM..

As standard, the e30 is ok.. Nothing special, but looks good, and has a decent chassis waiting to 'unleashed' and just so happens you can fit some decent engines to make em go well too (I don't include the M30 in this statement )

[Dezzy]

Exactly guys

Max power sh1t = Fail

mod'd E30's with nice motors, nice interiors, nice suspention, improved running gear and new bushes, THATS modding.

Not the sh1t that Ben through's at his car, and believe it or not he has to pay to make his car look like that

[suchy]

Yes indeed modifying a car to improve it's overall ability on a chosen surface i.e. road OR track (or a compromise) is a win. Glueing on unecessary plastic apendages and attempts to remove all handling ability IN MY OPINION is a fail.
When I were a nipper still wet behind the ears and green to the world of performance and taste, I can admit to being scene orientated with all cars scraping the deck, skinnys up front and even bolts welded in certain places to restrict steering lock and tyre rubbing (and sometimes the use of a hammer to help)!!
All this for the look!!
So yes I understand folks desires to create these, I just happen to think that being scene is just totally gay. But then I am older and wiser these days.
Back then I too thought that OEM was about as bent as you could get without the need of hospitalisation and the heros that had the balls to chop a car up were awesome!
One day you too will possess wisdom and realise this way of life is just not correct

[ross_jsy]

Better stance.

Also the best colour to have an M3 IMO.

Sorry for the Hi-Jack but what wheel is on this car, size more then offset. and where would I find a set.

BBS RS.

It is your lucky day. A set is going cheap on the zone:

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=165774


If not then wheelwhores or ED 38 will sort you out. Expect to pay upwards of 2k though.

[Shaheenk]

why do those look like 18's and not 17's

[MrBenn]

why do those look like 18's and not 17's

I was thinking the same..

[weed1]

I believe that that the front plate message is in response to the purists on S14 dot net who believe that the S14 is the only acceptable power plant for this model.
The car that everyone is having a cow about is powered by a 24v six.

I used to be an S14 snob until I added up the receipts from my engine rebuild.

Now I compromise... S14 in the bay for fall/winter and S52US for spring summer track activity.

S14.....$6k to rebuild.
S52US..$2.2K to replace.

m

[Falkster]

I don't think I could live with my car standard. To keep it standard you might aswell have them in the garage to look at because they'll look really nice but don't really go! The die hard purist are just barmy because they are trying to live a dream that doesn't really exist. Our cars were toned down massively for the road (like lots of other homos) so being a purist and keeping the car absolutely standard seems nonsense! Not all of us would want to or could afford to replicate the M3s that initially caught our eye back in the 80s but to release a little bit of the animal that is inside is the right thing to do beit brakes, suspension or engine.

I always had an idea of what I wanted to do. Shorter diff, 276/284, bit of head work, decent pipe and a remap for the engine and bilsteins with h&r springs and eibach arb with fast road pads! As time goes on it's not enough but where do you draw the line?

Maybe if it was nowadays they wouldn't have toned them down so much? Look at the 911RS or CSL, there's probably loads of examples.

Clearly my opinion

[andrew_baran]

For me, it's all about getting the car sitting right - good stance is essential for a good looking car. It's got to be low (but not "smash your sump on catseyes" low), with a little bit of poke, and lots of dish on the wheels.
If I had the funds to do trackdays, 'Ring trips and the likes i'd definitely take performance factors into account more. But at the moment, i'm happy with subtle OEM+ style mods. And that is why those M3's appeal to me so much!

[AlpineAde]

i know its not got correct suspension geometry because it came from stanceworks.com.

No your assuming..... And you know what they say about assumption.

That it makes an ass out of stanceworks?

[ollie_]

well, didn't this cause a stir

To get a nice flush set-up like this, is an achievement more than anything.
Getting the combination of the correct looking stretch, wheel width, spacers, camber and height for the best fitment of wheel to arch isn't just a guessing game...
It really isn't a case of put the most stretch on you can, lower as much as you can and have masses of poke, as it would appear some may think!

No, it's not set up for country lanes or track, it's made to look good. And this does it bloody well i reckon! SSR reverse mesh wheels for a bit of a 90's Jap twist too.
And tbh, whack a set of 16x8's with 888's on it, and on track i bet it'd be ridiculously good!

Stance is coming gents, and it's probably here to stay

[suchy]

well, didn't this cause a stir


Stance is coming gents, and it's probably here to stay

Stance isn't coming!! Stance has been around since the 1960's!!!
A certain group of VW owners in California defined a genre that has been with us ever since- rake/stance is not a new thing...

[Falkster]

Stance is VW euro look hairy bollox!!

[beardymat]

talking of stance Ollie, what springs are on the M3 i bought from you? i only ask cause its obvious theyre not standard but with no lump in at the mo i have no idea.

[suchy]

Stance is VW euro look hairy bollox!!

No it's not!! Stance is just a new term for it!! Been around for decades. Think hot-rods of the 60's also, on a bob-fendered '32 coupe with tyre and wheel combo's with just the right amount of rake

[ollie_]

well, didn't this cause a stir


Stance is coming gents, and it's probably here to stay

Stance isn't coming!! Stance has been around since the 1960's!!!
A certain group of VW owners in California defined a genre that has been with us ever since- rake/stance is not a new thing...

i mean to bm's mate, i know this

[DanThe]

talking of stance Ollie, what springs are on the M3 i bought from you? i only ask cause its obvious theyre not standard but with no lump in at the mo i have no idea.

Wrong Ollie Matt, the Ollie you bought the M3 off would probably be offended at you getting him mixed up with this VW numpty

[suchy]

well, didn't this cause a stir


Stance is coming gents, and it's probably here to stay

Stance isn't coming!! Stance has been around since the 1960's!!!
A certain group of VW owners in California defined a genre that has been with us ever since- rake/stance is not a new thing...

i mean to bm's mate, i know this

It's inevitable... it had to really with Japs and VW big into scene

[ollie_]

talking of stance Ollie, what springs are on the M3 i bought from you? i only ask cause its obvious theyre not standard but with no lump in at the mo i have no idea.

Wrong Ollie Matt, the Ollie you bought the M3 off would probably be offended at you getting him mixed up with this VW numpty

very witty!

[bootyman]

Exactly guys

Max power sh1t = Fail

mod'd E30's with nice motors, nice interiors, nice suspention, improved running gear and new bushes, THATS modding.

Not the sh1t that Ben through's at his car, and believe it or not he has to pay to make his car look like that

Mate you are seriously contradicting yourself here! Look at what you have listed as improving a car and read the spec of my car http://www.modifiedcars.com/cars/18938/ ... 3-pictures and you will see i have all of those things, plus more! If you don't like the aesthetics of my car then that is cool, because how the car looks is down to my personal taste. I grew up reading Max Power in the 80's/90's and when they had the Rieger E30 on the cover it was my ultimate boy's E30 toy. When i was old enough and had enough money, i created that ultimate toy with my own twist. I've had my car 9 years now and would i do it again! probably not because my taste has changed in that time, but my car is something i bring out when i want some fun, then stick it back in the garage after, so you dont have to like how it looks, but as far as performance and suspension goes it's all there.

And for those who go on about how we ruin a great car etc, how can taking a 20+ year old rust bucket and revamping it with modern goodies doing that? Also not everyone who is into modding follows the crowd. I never have and i never will. I follow my own style and if i want it i will do it as long as i can afford it and not look at what the in thing is or the next big thing and that is why like it or not, my car is unique. Apart from the kit (Which only 7 was sold in the UK) almost everything else on the car has been fabricated or made just for my car and to me that is what modding is about

Now back on subject! Most people who have a problem with this car seems to be because the handling etc would be gone, but as i keep stressing not everyone buys a car like the M3 for that reason. Someone may be into posing, but like the shape of the M3 so buys one to slam huge rims, deck it and just pose in it. Why do people feel the need to get so worked up about it? People spend thousands buying super cars and they drive it round the block every now and then and then stick it back in a secure storage. Isn't that a far worse crime if you want to call it that!

[oldroydsr4]

Nail bam head,

well said Ben.

Also all the purists bang on about is how the handling will be ruined but they will never have to drive it so surely they should evaluate how it looks and apart from the tints it looks awesome.

[bootyman]

Nail bam head,

well said Ben.

Also all the purists bang on about is how the handling will be ruined but they will never have to drive it so surely they should evaluate how it looks and apart from the tints it looks awesome.

Yeah but handling of what? If you are building a a track car, then great you need to have fantastic handling blah, blah, blah, but for you to need that kind of handling on the road, you would have to be driving recklessly and our purist friends would not be so Irresponsible on public roads would they! I drive my car all the time and it goes round the bends and corners fine

Also to get that look, the owner would have had to put coilovers and sorted the suspension and regardless of how badly the handling is effected, it will be better than most of the old rusty E30's out there so again that statement is contradicting. I REST MY CASE

[Felix79]

For me I like the more sutle mods or with the case with my money pit I am constantly trying to get it as authentic as I can because to me the conversion that Alpina did is exactly how I like the look and sound of the e30.

[Falkster]

For me I like the more sutle mods or with the case with my money pit I am constantly trying to get it as authentic as I can because to me the conversion that Alpina did is exactly how I like the look and sound of the e30.

Cars like yours Dan I appreciate trying to make it as original as possible but when it's an M3 the original was a 340 bhp (guess) monster with very low, very stiff suspension, massive brakes etc. The only bit of authenticity kept from the racing cars to the road cars are they're all lhd.
This is why the purist mind set is just nads! All opinions clearly!