Black Diamond Pad's ?

[zaust]

Black Diamond Pad's. Anyone have experiance with these ?

Tar Ox have stopped doing the fast road/track pad for the e30, and the black diamond compound is simular. Need to no if they last well on a track day. Or do they turn to jelly in 5 min's. Also is there a load of dust given out or not. ?


Tia.

[Kos]

personaly i think they are more of a gimmik pad for "fast road" use which is never near as hard as track work

EBC reds or yellows are my current choice

[zaust]

Kos, I don't like the ecb pad's, Had both yellow and red. Just not for my style of driving. If no one rates the diamonds then I will use the frodo's, Just didn't really want to spend that much..

[N00b]

Kos, I don't like the ecb pad's, Had both yellow and red. Just not for my style of driving. If no one rates the diamonds then I will use the frodo's, Just didn't really want to spend that much..

If your ebc experience isn't recent, then they might be worth another look for you as they've changed their compounds in the last year or so.

[Kos]

cutting cost on a track pad is usualy a bad idea

what exactly did you not like about them ?

the reds are spot on for road use and i mean normal road use ( my mum could drive the car with out crapping herself at the 1st set of lights) and they were fine around a track for 50 odd laps, i'll be looking into getting some yellows next time around

DS2500's area gread pad, but thats why they are expensive

[N00b]

i'll be looking into getting some yellows next time around

I think the fronts for mine were £50. Pretty good price in my opinion.

[zaust]

All the track pad's seem to be either 50 -60 or a big jump to 120+ .

The ebc I found went glassey with short hard brakeing. I think i'm going to have a good study.

Any more advice gladly welcome.

[Kos]

yup, agreed

Anything else comparable is twice the price.

Some one I know did a whole season in the kumho championship In a 318is e36 on a single set of yellows, ok the car is a lot lighter than a hearse with a boat anchor for an engine, but a race has is driven a lot harder than a road car.

I'd say the most I'd push my car on the road is maybe 60 to 70 percent of what I do on the track.

[zaust]

After a little rining round this morning, I gota smile on my face. Shop near luton have set's of the tar ox left. Over the moon now.

[N00b]

After a little rining round this morning, I gota smile on my face. Shop near luton have set's of the tar ox left. Over the moon now.

It might be worth your while to buy a few sets, if you rate them so highly.

[zaust]

2 set's bought, That's all he had. Should last long enogh to find a suitable replacment.

[Black_Potato]

Kos, I don't like the ecb pad's, Had both yellow and red. Just not for my style of driving. If no one rates the diamonds then I will use the frodo's, Just didn't really want to spend that much..

Be careful lwhen you order.. frodo is a hobbit and due to the hairy feet may catch fire under heavy braking.

Ferrodo pads however are very good but cant sing nor dance so less use at parties.

HTH

[zaust]

Very good. I Like the humor.

[N00b]

Very good. I Like the humor.

.....just not the letter "U"?

[zaust]

I have just ordered a set of Yellow stuff too. Did not realize how cheap they were. At least I can do a back to back comparison now.

[N00b]

I have just ordered a set of Yellow stuff too. Did not realize how cheap they were. At least I can do a back to back comparison now.

Can I ask where you got 'em and how much you paid?
PM me if you don't want to do this on the forum (For the record I think my yellows were either £50 or £54, I can't remember).

[zaust]

pm sent.

Might save you enough for a couple of pint's.

[BaldBimmer]

Where are you getting your ebc pads? Everywhere I look for pads for my 1991 318is only do greenstuff or Ferodo 2500. Ferodo's are a bit pricey for me at the minute.

[N00b]

Where are you getting your ebc pads? Everywhere I look for pads for my 1991 318is only do greenstuff or Ferodo 2500. Ferodo's are a bit pricey for me at the minute.

I don't know if the iS uses different pads than the rest of the range, but this is where I got mine.

***Click me***

[zaust]

You can go to ebc direct off the net


I'm not very impressed with them tbh, Will give them another week to make sure but they don't seem to be even a patch on the tar-ox or red dot's.

[N00b]

You can go to ebc direct off the net


I'm not very impressed with them tbh, Will give them another week to make sure but they don't seem to be even a patch on the tar-ox or red dot's.

Unless you get enough heat in them, the on-road bite/performance is only adequate and nothing special. Have you tried them on the track?

[AlpineAde]

Agreed. Don't assess the Yellows as a street pad. If you can keep heat in them they're OK but their forte is the track. I love mine.

[N00b]

Agreed. Don't assess the Yellows as a street pad. If you can keep heat in them they're OK but their forte is the track. I love mine.

Me to, but I want your opinion on something (as I think it was you that mentioned it elsewhere). I'm going to add extra cooling, and I think you suggested that this would be a bad thing, but what I meant to say was I'm adding cooling to the disc surface not the pads. As I understand it, even though pads like these need heat they get it from the friction generated and not from the temperature of the disc. So if I add cooling to the disc face it shouldn't lower the operating temperature of the pad, right?
Or, on the other hand, I could be as wrong as a wrong thing in wrong-world on "wrong things go free day"???

[AlpineAde]

Ah, I'm with you now...

There is nothing wrong with what you're suggesting. The last track day I was at had a fellow in a 325iS who had made his own ducting. It was done very well indeed and he was very happy with the performance of it.

[N00b]

Ah, I'm with you now...

There is nothing wrong with what you're suggesting. The last track day I was at had a fellow in a 325iS who had made his own ducting. It was done very well indeed and he was very happy with the performance of it.

I've seen something suitable (silicone I think) and it's not exepensive, so I think I'll give it a go. After reading more about brakes in here I'm also wondering if there maybe work I can do on the linkage/servo too. I can live with a relatively low powered engine (150k 325) but I'd like some bloody good brakes please, lol.

[N00b]

I'm not very impressed with them tbh

Spank them, baby, spank them good and hard.....oh yeah they like it like that, go on and smack those bitches up.

[zaust]

I have given them some hard treatment, And they seem ok when they are very hot but not so good when olny warm, But they are getting better.

[N00b]

I have given them some hard treatment, And they seem ok when they are very hot but not so good when only warm, But they are getting better.

They do take a little while to bed in, but I've found them to be pretty good as a road pad.

[AlpineAde]

They do have an odd bed in procedure and it does take a while but once done they will end up loving as much punishment as you can throw at them (as N00b says above).

[zaust]

Today they bit. I take back what I have said about the girp under pressure now, Just got to see how they hold for.

[AlpineAde]

Good for you for giving them a go, Zaust, and sticking with them.

[MillRat]

I run front brake cooling ducks on my E30. No problems except when driving on the street in cold weather. The front brakes stay very cool, but the rears run at much high temperatures (not cooled) introducing A LOT of rear brake bias. I suggest blocking the ducts on the street, and unblocking for the track. I will find a picture of my ducting setup as an example.

[N00b]

I run front brake cooling ducks on my E30. No problems except when driving on the street in cold weather. The front brakes stay very cool, but the rears run at much high temperatures (not cooled) introducing A LOT of rear brake bias. I suggest blocking the ducts on the street, and unblocking for the track. I will find a picture of my ducting setup as an example.

I think if I angle the pipework upwards from the intake duct then it should prevent any stones etc from being fired at the face of the disc.

[MillRat]

I run front brake cooling ducks on my E30. No problems except when driving on the street in cold weather. The front brakes stay very cool, but the rears run at much high temperatures (not cooled) introducing A LOT of rear brake bias. I suggest blocking the ducts on the street, and unblocking for the track. I will find a picture of my ducting setup as an example.

I think if I angle the pipework upwards from the intake duct then it should prevent any stones etc from being fired at the face of the disc.

Why not put some mesh over the intakes and paint the mesh black. You will never know it was there.

I have mesh over mine incase I end up in one of the many gravel traps around my local race track.

[N00b]

Why not put some mesh over the intakes and paint the mesh black. You will never know it was there.

I have mesh over mine incase I end up in one of the many gravel traps around my local race track.

It'd need to be pretty fine mesh, but even so I don't think it would hamper the air feed. Good call!