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Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:41 pm

Lots of people ask about M42 swaps so thought I'd put this together and hopefuly help every one out :)

The M42 was a 1.8 16v only fitted to E30's in the 318iS model between 1989 and 1991 and will either G or H registration in the UK.

The E36 318iS engines up to 1995 are the M42 (which are 1.8 ), post 1995 E36 engines are M44 (which are 1.9) which are not as straight forward to fit as the M42. The most obvious way to identify an M44 engine is by the crank sensor being at the rear of the block, not the front timing case.

M44 crank sensor location:

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M42 crank sensor location:

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You need:
1. M42 engine
2. E30 M42/M40 upper and lower sump pan (only required if fitting E36 engine)
3. E30 M42 engine loom and ECU (will work with E36 engines also, saves having to adapt E36 looms)
4. Coil packs and HT leads or COP conversion
5. E30 M42 exhaust manifold
6. E30 318iS exhaust system
7. E30 M42 coolant hoses (3x radiator, 2x heater)
8. M42 radiator (larger than the M40 one although similar in appearance)
9. E30 M42 AFM to TB boot
10. Getrag 240 gearbox (from M42 or M40)
11. Prop shaft to correspond with whether you have M42 or M40 gearbox (explained below)
12. E30 M42 engine mounting arms and 'rubber hydraulic' mounts
13. E30 M42 or M40b18 AFM (M40b16 AFM will not be correct!)

Cam covers:It is worth noting that later E36 M42 engines have the breather spout on the cam cover in a different place to the E30 M42. To use the E30 inlet manifold you will need an E30 cam cover.

Later E36 cover (note the breather is to the rear of the cover):

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E30 cover (breather spout at the front of the cover):

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Inlet manifolds: You will need the E30 upper and lower manifolds with injector rail if carrying the engine over from an E36. It is worth using the E30 inlet manifold any way as it is better for 'performance' due to the equal lengths of the 'runner's which helps with torque. The upper and lower halves are different so you need both. For the avoidance of doubt here is the difference:

E36 inlets:

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E30 inlets:

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Exhaust manifolds and systems: The exhaust systems are not compatable between the M40 and M42. The M40 comes with a cast manifold and the M42 comes with a rather nice fabricated manifold. You will need an M42 exhaust system and exhaust manifold. Also note the E36 manifold cannot be used as it will clash with the steering column so an E30 item will be required.


Radiators: just a quick note on radiators. If upgrading from an M40 engine, the M40 radiators are slightly smaller (narrower) than the M42 radiators. You can use the M40 radiator but you will need to shorten the top M42 rad hose to compensate for the narrower radiator. If however you use an M42 radiator (recommended as it will be the correct size and no modification would be required to the hoses) you will need plastic mounting bracket 17 11 1 712 347 which will allow fitment of the wider M42 radiator. The bracket clips to the shell on the expansion tank side of the radiator.


Sump: The E36 M42 sump and E30 M42 sumps are different. On the E36 the sump sits behind the subframe, and on the E30 it sits in front. If you are fitting an E35 M42 you will need the upper and lower sump pan from an E30 M40 or M42 engine.

This is an E36 sump which you cannot use:

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This is the E30 M40/M42 upper and lower sump:

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Gearbox: A note on the getrag 240 gear box. There are two types, one was fitted to the M40 and the other to the M42. Note that the M42 ones have a different output flange. You need the one with the flange further away in order to use all standard 318iS parts. Be extra careful with the mounting 'prongs' on the rear of the box (where the rubber mountings fix to), they can be weak and break off easily.

Here is the back of the 'M42' box:

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Here is the back of the 'M40' box:

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Which ever you choose you will need the corresponding prop shaft (M40 box -> M40 prop or M42 box -> M42 prop)


Final drive (diff) ratios: 318iS has a 4.1 ratio diff. Smaller engined cars often came with 4.27 or 4.45. Using either of these ratios will help with acceleration but will make the car rev very high when cruising on the motor way etc. This will then have further effect on fuel economy. It is best to use the 4.1 ratio and there are plenty of small case open 4.1 diffs available. Fitting a 3.91 will have the opposite effect and sacrifice acceleration for lower cruising revs.


Coil packs or COP: If you opt for standard coil packs, you will need the coil packs, HT leads and also the brackets to mount them to the wing which you can get from BMW and the part numbers are: 41 14 8 106 938 and 41 14 8 106 938. They mount on the drivers side of the engine bay:

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Another option that costs about the same is COP (Coil On Plug). This works by fitting a set of M52 (P/N: 17 480 17) coil packs directly over the spark plugs mounted on a special plate (conviently I sell kits for this if interested).

Here is how it looks:

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Flywheel: 'Word on the street' is that M42's came with dual mass (DM) fly wheels. This is a big part that people stumble on. I have yet to see an M42 in the UK that has been fitted with a DM flywheel they nearly all came with single mass units (unless the car had zircon from the factory). The single mass are exactly that and are one lump of steel. These are still heavy but these can be lightened unlike the DM ones. The same goes for M40 engines.

Single mass:

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Dual mass:

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Clutches: M40 and M42 use the same clutch so if removing an M40 engine the clutch can be carried over to the M42 (as long as both are running the same single or dual mass flywheels). It is worth checking the clutch condition and thickness against the manufacturers specifications. If the clutch is looking badly worn it is not worth carrying over and it's best to changing it


Fitting M20 flywheel assembly: some people choose to fit an M20 flywheel assembly because it is slightly lighter than the M40/M42 flywheel. The advantage of this is it allows the engine to rev up easier. The gains from this are marginal for the extra work but here is whats required:

M20 flywheel
M40/42 starter with a M20 spur gear.
323i release bearing if you wish but seems to work fine with just an M20 bearing too.


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If you pull all ancilleries from your M40 out of the engine bay prior to lift it will make it all easier.

Food for thought: Bare in mind the 318iS which came with the M42 came with rear disc brakes, 51mm front struts and larger roll bars which aren't on the smaller engined cars. You might want to upgrade the suspension.

If I've missed anything or any one has any issues with what I've put then please do say :)


*some of the photo's I have used are my own, or ones sourced from google*
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Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:00 am

An old thread i know, but i have recenlty undergone an engine transplant to an 'is' lump from a 318 8v carb'd m10

And ran into a few more problems than the stated above!

This maybe because i have been using an m10 engined chassis, but will post below my findings for your consideration, and that of any one else about to transplant an m42

In no particular order!

( remember this is m10 --> m42 (is 16v lump) )

*Radiator upper and lower mounts are different and need to be made, designed
*Engine subframe/Mounts are about 10mm too wide for 'is' engine legs
*Coil pack needs to have a mount made and attached to hold in place
*M42 engine reqires a fuel pump in the tank, or inline AND a fuel return pipe to be added. Only way to return fuel to tank it throught filler neck breather by sender unit
*Air filter needs a bracket / Mount made
*Wiring loom requires a swap (2 wires, oil and temp ned swapping) and there is a LIVE off the engine loom the goes directly into and EARTH on the multi plug! (i have it unused on my car the m10 loom and m42, possible fuel pump ign live tho)

The wiring loom does cater for an intank fuel pump but on my car i have seperate wiring to act as an immobiliser, therefore thats why my return pipe is 't'pieced back through the filler neck breather

Your post above is correct on the gearbox, but if you use an M40 box u need not to change the prop


i am also having discrepencies with the clutch slave, as sometimes it feels it wont open the clutch fully, will report back with progress tho!




Hope this helps

For anymore info on my conversion, or pics please PM me anytime!

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Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:02 am

Whats the recommended diff for the M42?

Is it only the 4.10
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Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:46 am

Great write-up Rich. Very informative.
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Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:13 am

DaveyB wrote: Your post above is correct on the gearbox, but if you use an M40 box u need not to change the prop
Cheers for the M10 info Dave :thumb:

Regarding the above, very interested to know what prop shaft you used with the M40 box? I have two sat in my garage which I gave up on. I could have bolted my iS prop to it and extended the back of the prop but it would have meant the centre bearing wouldn’t bolt up.


Sanchez wrote:Whats the recommended diff for the M42?

Is it only the 4.10
The 318iS's came with a 4.1:1 diff so in the interest of keeping the gearing correct then you’re best finding one. A standard open diff won’t be very expensive or hard to find. If it does prove to be a struggle the next best thing is a 3.91 if you want to keep the top end sensible. If however you’re looking at an LSD, 4.1:1 LSD’s are like rocking horse sh!t and do cost a fair chunk when they come up so you maybe best looking for a 3.91:1.

This is of course my opinion based on what I’ve seen, other people might have different ideas


GeoffBob wrote:Great write-up Rich. Very informative.
Thank you :)
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Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:16 am

Sanchez wrote:Whats the recommended diff for the M42?

Is it only the 4.10
3.91 for economy,

small case 4.1 for originality
medium case 4.1 for strength and best allrounder.


4.27 or 4.45 medium case LSD for best acceleration and bringing the M42 to life
M42 rightness above 6500rpm, nobody can hear you scream
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Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:48 pm

Cheers for the write up :D

If I find anything worth adding when doing mine I'll add it to the thread.

One thing I'd like to clear up, you say for the COP conversion M50 coil packs are needed, but I thought M52 coil packs were the correct ones?
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:16 am

The Part number is: 17 480 17 looks like they are M52 my appologies.
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:25 am

I'm still confused about the gearbox situation when going from M40 to M42!

Can an M40 gearbox be used at all, or is this a definite no-no? If it can, which clutch, flywheel, starter and prop combo will work?
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:28 am

M40 gearbox can be used with M40 prop. If you use M42 box you'll need M42 prop.
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:38 am

Dave_M3 wrote:
Sanchez wrote:Whats the recommended diff for the M42?

Is it only the 4.10
3.91 for economy,

small case 4.1 for originality
large case 4.1 for strength and best allrounder.


4.27 or 4.45 large case LSD for best acceleration and bringing the M42 to life
Cheers for the info! :D
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:56 am

sihooker wrote:I'm still confused about the gearbox situation when going from M40 to M42!

Can an M40 gearbox be used at all, or is this a definite no-no? If it can, which clutch, flywheel, starter and prop combo will work?
Sanchez wrote:M40 gearbox can be used with M40 prop. If you use M42 box you'll need M42 prop.
I found it didn't work with mine but I seem to be the only one :?

You can stay using the M40 starter, clutch and fly assembley as it's the same.

Or you can upgrade to the M20 flywheel but I'm not sure which starter you need fo that?
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:57 am

Thanks rx313 :D
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rix313 wrote:
sihooker wrote:I'm still confused about the gearbox situation when going from M40 to M42!

Can an M40 gearbox be used at all, or is this a definite no-no? If it can, which clutch, flywheel, starter and prop combo will work?
Sanchez wrote:M40 gearbox can be used with M40 prop. If you use M42 box you'll need M42 prop.
I found it didn't work with mine but I seem to be the only one :?

You can stay using the M40 starter, clutch and fly assembley as it's the same.

Or you can upgrade to the M20 flywheel but I'm not sure which starter you need fo that?

M20 flywheel, M40/42 starter with a M20 spur gear.
323i release bearing if you wish but seems to work fine with just an M20 bearing too.


What issues did you have with the M40 prop and gearbox Rix?
fan not sitting in the shroud properly, gear-linkage or something?

Don't see how it would cause problems as the the blocks are the same...
M42 rightness above 6500rpm, nobody can hear you scream
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:19 am

Gear linkage was fine and before the viscous was removed it sat fine to as do the coolant hoses.

Problem I seemed to face was the M40 box out put flange didn't stick as far out as the M42 prop, there was a 35mm gap between the back of the guibo and the face of the prop mounting flange, I then bought an M40 prop and it was even shorter than the M42 prop which threw me completely unless I was miss sold a prop shaft?
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:58 pm

Sounds like you were sold a 320 prop or something.

Are the E36 M42 cast mountings the same as the E30 as I can't remember if they fit or not.
M42 rightness above 6500rpm, nobody can hear you scream
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:06 pm

On the block do you mean?
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:41 pm

Dave_M3 wrote:Sounds like you were sold a 320 prop or something.

Are the E36 M42 cast mountings the same as the E30 as I can't remember if they fit or not.
ive just fitted a new gearbox box to mine that i think is an m40 box off of an e36 318is engine, as one gearbox mount is higher than the other, due to the angle the engine sits in the e36.

had to slightly mod a mount or 2 but lower ration box works a treat!
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Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:54 pm

If I were to keep the M40 box and prop, are the ratios much different to the M42 one? Surely the M42 engine should be a bit more rev happy?
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ade36 wrote:If I were to keep the M40 box and prop, are the ratios much different to the M42 one? Surely the M42 engine should be a bit more rev happy?
rev happy yes

m40 box as i stated is slightly lower ratio so gives better acceleration

only adjustmesnt might be on the spline behind the center bearing and the center bearing its self!

ALSO - Very important

IF you are using an e36 box or engine, the the bolts 'Gearbox --> Block' are differently pattened!
the 4/5 BIG bolts will go in but the smaller bolts that hold the plate stedy are different and cant be used

This is still 100% safe etc as the small bolts are not load bearing, and are only used as locators

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Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:04 am

318is e30 wasnt around in 88 thought it was only 90-91
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Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:01 pm

Supposed to say 89-91 will ammend.
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:10 am

If you plan on fitting an E36 M42 you need to change the inlet manifold to the E30 one (E30 one is better than the E36 one any way), you will also need an E30 M42 sump (upper and lower) and engine mounts.
What is the difference between the sumps on the E36 and E30 m42s?
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:56 pm

The engine sits further back in the E36 so the sump is different. On the E36, the resevoir is at the back as opposed to the E30 which has it at front. This causes it to smack the sub frame.
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Finally may have found an M42 but it's missing an alternator. Will the one from my M40 fit? Haven't picked up the engine yet so can't look for myself...
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Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:16 pm

Also, is an E36 exhaust manifold useable or does it have to be an E30 one?
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Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:01 am

Alternator should be fine. You might be ok with the exhaust manifold. The only thing I can think of is the manifold might be slightly different to work around the E36 steering column as the engine sits further back in the E36.

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Alternator is fine. E36 exhaust manifold will not fit around steering column.
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Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:50 pm

the engine sits further back in the E36. So where will it sit in a E30 on the e36 mounts
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Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:21 pm

mounts are same iirc

just subframe location differs e30 -> e36 making it sit in different places!
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Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:07 am

so will it dropin no prob then
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Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:49 am

Hi guys, thank you so much for all this info. i have just bought a 1.8IS lump to replace my M10, i have two queries,

Will the M10 sump fit the M42?
Can i still use my E30 dash, cos i love it, proper old skool!?

I'm a bit bummed at all the parts i now need to buy..... lol

Silly young People EH?
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Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:19 pm

No an M10 sump will not fit the M42. If you need a sump it can come from any M40 or M42 from an E30.

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Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:02 pm

Ok, next question, I have an M42 out of an E30 but the loom has been cut and is fubar'd. Will the loom from an E36 M42 fit as I can get hold of one of those...
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:29 pm

Went for the slightly different approach myself and fitted the M44 to my IS after the timing chain snapped on my M42. Think i was one of the first to try this about 3 years ago.

Wasn't particularly difficult to do, had to fabricate a couple of bits but nothing too hard. Rev's up so much faster as used the M42 flywheel/clutch instead of the M44 one which is twice as heavy. Kept the M42 intake/exhaust, ECU, got a K&N panel filter and larger throttle body. Puts out a healthy 148 bhp and runs well :-) Really could do with a remap though to smooth out the bottom end and give it a bit more grunt.
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:13 pm

E36 exhaust manifold needs modding to fit around the steering linkage and the E36 wiring loom will work but again requires a bit of modding work! Also e30 wiring loom needs modding to accomadate for the knock sensors and such on the e36 engine! HTH
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