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Hi guys well i thought it was about time i put some info up about my car its a 1989 F reg 325i se which was converted from new by griffin motorsport. The conversion included the following

2.7 conversion producing 220 bhp
bilstein dampers and shorter springs
tarox grooved and drilled discs with uprated pads
anti roll bars
7.5jx15 revolution wheels
momo steering wheel and gear knob

The car was featured in performance car magazine in january 1990 it was featured against the Hartge H26 and the Alpina C2.7 the article was written by John Simister who now works for evo magazine heres what he wrote about the car.

You want a bmw thats faster than munich's standard issue. The factory would like to point you towards Alpina. If you don't want to go that route, you'll probably find your thoughts directed towards Hartge's catalogue. These currently, are the big names.
But they are German, and their products are pricey. Given the bewilderingly large number of 3 series bmws in uk roads, you'd think there might be a niche for a british-developed tuning package. Same results, lower cost it would make a lot of sense.

Griffin motorsport think so too. Mainly a competition preparation outfit, and heavily involved in racing M3's the swindon based company also do an interesting line in bmw 3 series road car conversions. These they developed after having the uk Hartge concession snatched from their grasp at the 11th hour.
So Griffins 2.7 litre, 325i based reply tp Alpinas C2 and Hartge's H26 has every chance of being good. Its all down to execution, because the formula is much the same. A gas flowed cylinder head, a more adventurous camshaft profile, a free flow tubular exhaust system make for deeper breathing, while lung capacity is increased with a longer stroke crankshaft ( from the now defunct 525e) plus mahle pistons and connecting rods to suit. Reprogramming the bosch motronic management ensures that each element can work to its optimum. All this results in 220bhp up from 171 and 200lb ft of torque up from 164. So as you might expect, Griffin offer suspension, wheels and tyres to complement the extra go, plus their own range of body addenda. Shorter springs lower the car 1.4 inches, theIr movements controlled by bilstein gas filled dampers. A rear anti roll bar joins an adjustable front item front geometry changes, based around redesigned front wishbone bushes, give greater steering precision plus the crisper turn in that comes from a revised castor angle. Five spoke 7.5jx15 Revolution wheels complete the dynamic side of the package, shod with 205/50vr15 bridgestone re71 tyres. Their offsets are carefully chosen, says griffins david lles because an incorrect offset leads to a dead steering feel and an excessive urge to follow road camber.

Does it work? And is the Griffin bmw a viable alpina alternative? yes, and yes A day with the metallic silver grey example of solicitior phillip bann proved the point. Banns Griffinised 325i se lacks the Griffin bodykit sporting instead bmws own, and morwe pricey m technik treatment, but otherwise its griffin through and through. With the m technik cosmetics, plus the harder front breke pads chunky steering wheel and leather gearknob that also feature, your looking at £8556 for the whole conversion. In relative terms , thats not excessive when you consider that your bmw dealer will probably credit you for the value of your unused wheels, tyres and steering wheel if your applying the Griffin treatment to a brand new car.
the performance figures make a convincing case for the Griffin. True banns car is a saloon and the two german conversions are tourings, but this saloon has the weighty air conditioning option so all three cars displace the wighbridge by similar amounts And the bmw has the best acceleration of the lot.
These are the salient times Standstill to 60 takes 6.8 seconds, to 100mph 17.9 seconds. And around the millbook bowl griffins bmw aderaged 141.2 mph flat out. An indication of top end power at the expense of bottom end pull? Not really a curiously hollow torque curve sees the griffin actually out dragging an alpina from 30 to 50mph in both fourth and fifth gears. Thereafter its herr bovensiepen's creation which makes the running, until the very top end when the british developed car gains a second wind . The hartge meanwhile is nowhere.
Impressed? so are we, the more so considering phillip banns car had a glitch in the the management chip which limited the engine to 6350rpm instead of the intended 6800. This has since been put right, Bann tells us.
The engine sounds good too, a more gutteral version of the BMW turbine hum, though not actually load. An outsize silencer sees to that, which occasionally grounds owing to the low ride height. Griffin have since developed a smaller, lighter version to fix that problem.
As you would expect, Griffin's BMW sticks to the road like chewing gum to a bus shelter. The tail twiches are strictly at the driver's behest in this essentially neutally balanced car. In fact, the responses to the hlem are so crisp, yet so linear, that you wonder if this BMW has a quicker steering rack. It doesn't but such an item - with an M3-matching ration - is now available from Griffin.
A short suspension travel makes for a choppy ride over lumpy roads, but over smoother surfaces the ride is fine - taut, but not harsh, and more absorbent than an Alpina C2's. It suits the car. And, if you object to further boosting West Germany's balance of payments, the conversion will suit your pocket. The point is proved: Griffin know their stuff.

So a bit more about my car its had three owners its done about 120000 miles and it needs a lot of work doing to it! The car has loads of service history and it seems to of been very well looked after. The second owner of the car was good friends with a guy called Martin Ellis who worked for williams and he also looked after Alain Menus car in the 1995 touring car championship and this guy serviced the car during that time.
The third owner took the car to Griffin to have all the servicing done and also had the head rebuilt. Unfortunately it went back to griffin as it kept losing power and when the owner got the car back he said it still didn't feel right but he went on holiday thinking that he would get it sorted on his return. When he did get back he went to griffin but they had gone bust he says its something to do with the ecu so the car still isn't kicking out all the power but i will be getting that sorted!
when i went to view the car i did notice some rusty areas but i've taken the car to chris warburton to have it checked over and once the body kit came off there was a lot of rust so much that chris advised that we reshelled the car! after a very long wait and me going all over the country to try and find a good shell i bought a 318i in dolphin with only 67000 miles and a full mot so i've now taken the car to chris and the reshell will be taking place very shortly.

If anyone has any info about Griffin motorsport please let me know!

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Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:58 pm

Photos are de riguer in the photo section I reckon?
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:47 pm

Why oh why did Griffin have to go bust! :cry:

They certainly did some interesting stuff for E30's back in the day and are certainly a curiosity of mine!

Cant wait to see the pics! Have you got the orginal mag feature and can you post pics of that as well?

Will be following this thread with interest! :cool: :cool: :cool:
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:49 pm

I was going to buy this car.....A olderly chap usto drive it everyday near reading....i has stopped him once and he said he would take £1500 for it.....it had a mtech 2 kit in dolphin grey but was a se shell...had a griffin sticker at the back left corner of it....but i gave it miss to buy a cab.... :D
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:34 pm

This is the car that got me into Beemers! - I grew up and loved it since i was 8ish and slowly watched it fall in to disrepair. :(

When i first past my test i used to 'borrow' it for blasts out on the country roads. I bought my first 320 so it would sound a little like this car!

By the time it came up for sale recently i had the M5 and iS and didnt have the time or skill to save it. I too made the decision that a reshelling was the only real option.

Good luck - Hope you get it back to its glory days!
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:14 am

it seems a few people know the car then! i read your posts about the car on here conan that was all the info i could find about griffin i don't think there are many complete cars about so it will be nice to get this one done. i do have the original mag barry but im struggling to get the pics up of the car never mind the mag! pics will hopefully be up soon.....
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Your a lucky man = first dibs when/if you move it on

(even my wife thinks one day i should own it so it must be true! winkeye )
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:39 pm

thanks for putting the pics up chris much appreciated! does anyone know where i could get the griffin sticker replicated?
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:48 pm

Has that reg plate always been on it?

Need to transfer it over to the donor car.
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:19 pm

its been on it for a good few years although it wasn't on the car when it was featured in the mag. i didn't buy the plate so i got the car a lot cheaper it is still available if i want it though.
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Nice project Brett. :cool:
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They look like revolution's. Nice.
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yes they are im going to get them refurbed and get the centres done in dolphin with a polished edge like when they were new.
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Right thought it was time for an update. I've had to have a bit of a re think regarding the car as the reshell costs were going to be more than what i hoped and so i thought to make the car even more desirable and to keep the labour costs down i'd get myself another 325i sport. After a good search i managed to find myself a 1990 H reg sport in red with tan leather its a good solid car so im well chuffed! The car is going to receive all the griffin parts and a big plus point is that the car will now have an lsd whereas the griffin car didn't. I've have had my revolution wheels done now and im really pleased with the results! After speaking to a few people on here i took them to speedwells in birmingham they were a right mess but they have managed to work their magic on them check the wheels out on their website at www.speedwells.co.uk on the news blog.

As you can see i've had the centres done in nogaro with a polished lip i think that the colour will go really well with the red of the car. If anyone would be kind enough to put the pics up for me it would be very much appreciated. I've sent my ecu off to ant at a tech as well to have it all updated and i shall then take it to a rolling road to see what results it puts out....

Im hoping to get the car back next week and then it will be detailed and i shall then put the pics up for you guys to see.
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:09 pm

What a shame! That car should have stayed Dolphin!
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brettski wrote:Right thought it was time for an update. I've had to have a bit of a re think regarding the car as the reshell costs were going to be more than what i hoped and so i thought to make the car even more desirable and to keep the labour costs down i'd get myself another 325i sport. After a good search i managed to find myself a 1990 H reg sport in red with tan leather its a good solid car so im well chuffed! The car is going to receive all the griffin parts and a big plus point is that the car will now have an lsd whereas the griffin car didn't. I've have had my revolution wheels done now and im really pleased with the results! After speaking to a few people on here i took them to speedwells in birmingham they were a right mess but they have managed to work their magic on them check the wheels out on their website at www.speedwells.co.uk on the news blog.

As you can see i've had the centres done in nogaro with a polished lip i think that the colour will go really well with the red of the car. If anyone would be kind enough to put the pics up for me it would be very much appreciated. I've sent my ecu off to ant at a tech as well to have it all updated and i shall then take it to a rolling road to see what results it puts out....

Im hoping to get the car back next week and then it will be detailed and i shall then put the pics up for you guys to see.
do you know what happened to the dolphin grey donor car that Chris had? I remember seeing it in his drive when i went to pick some stuff up, it was mint.
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:46 pm

Agreed, this car should have been restored to original spec. From having a genuine griffin car you now have a red sport with griffin bits.

Id forget about wheel refurbs and concetrate on keeping a bit of e30 heritage alive.

Sorry if those comments upset you but Griffin stuff is ultra rare. But I'm with Barry in this, it needs to be as it it was in the mag. :D
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B7 wrote:Agreed, this car should have been restored to original spec. From having a genuine griffin car you now have a red sport with griffin bits.

Id forget about wheel refurbs and concetrate on keeping a bit of e30 heritage alive.

Sorry if those comments upset you but Griffin stuff is ultra rare. But I'm with Barry in this, it needs to be as it it was in the mag. :D
It's being reshelled so surely it never will be again? :?
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He's not reshelling it now though
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He's not reshelling it now though
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:26 pm

So the post Bretslay made today is made up?

If its re shelled into some red sport its worth nothing. Unless the shell is out of its brains its madness imo
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Rodderz wrote:
B7 wrote:Agreed, this car should have been restored to original spec. From having a genuine griffin car you now have a red sport with griffin bits.

Id forget about wheel refurbs and concetrate on keeping a bit of e30 heritage alive.

Sorry if those comments upset you but Griffin stuff is ultra rare. But I'm with Barry in this, it needs to be as it it was in the mag. :D
It's being reshelled so surely it never will be again? :?
Maybe but at least it will be true to its original spec.
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:52 pm

If the original shell is beyond repair then a proper reshell is the only way (in the original colour, spec etc.). but even than it should, IMO, only be as a last resort.

However, the way i read it, the OP has now bought a red sport thats going to recieve anything off the original thats Griffin.
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:33 pm

Simon13 wrote:Unless the shell is out of its brains its madness imo
Sadly this was indeed the case. The shell would have needed, amongst other things: wings, bonnet, front slam panel, bulkhead, rear quarters, sunroof, most of the roof, rear inner arches, complete rear panel, rear strut towers, offside chassis rail, nearside door, front footwells x 2, spare wheel well.

The wiring wasn't particularly clever either, but that's an aside.

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Gone now, in any case. It was certainly a last resort.

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Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:38 pm

this seems to be the case of many of the sorry scrap that seems to fall around here now.. nearly everything is rotten. My mate bought a complete snotter not long ago and wasn't having it it was beyond repair.. MOT man didn't even log it on the system it was that bad!
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:59 pm

Chris is that the car that was on your drive? The 318?
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:01 pm

Good god, no. That was the Griffin shell. I think Brett may well be thinking of selling the M40 car you saw that day James, so it's alive and well.
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ah im glad its still goin, at least i got the gearknob off it lol, how much do you reckon he will want for it if he sells it?
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:07 pm

A bit off topic, but just ask him for a price, it's a very clean car, but then it would be at that mileage. I doubt it would be anything but good value.
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Will pm him, cheers Chris, oh and sorry for goin off topic :o:
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:20 pm

Interesting article you've posted, I wonder if there are any of those Griffin steering racks around with the same ratio as the M3?

Shame they used an H26 in the road test rather than the H27.
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:40 pm

it's always a shame to see a rare E30 go to scrap, how many Griffin's are left now none? :(

I felt bad raping a genuine Hartge H27 but it was way past rescue,
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:21 pm

Well that was an interesting response! The way i see things is if i could of saved the original car i would but it was well past saving which i agree was a shame as dolphin is my favourite colour. On the plus side all the griffin parts are going to be put into another desirable e30 so in effect its a griffin kit or conversion which they did to new and used cars so i don't see any difference. I could understand if you were talking about an alpina or a hartge which actually have numbers on the dash or chassis plates but griffins didn't. Plus lets face it does anyone know of another complete griffin converted car? I don't and i've been searching the net for one for months so to say its worthless is a joke its still a complete griffin car which has been converted and serviced by a professional to a high standard. Its just in another shell which is a sport and im very happy with that.
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:25 pm

Could you not have waited for a Dolphin sport? They are more common than red ones.
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:50 pm

Yes i could of and in fact i did go and have a look at one but this came up at a good price in good condition and it wasn't too far away. I've already spent so much time and money on wasted journeys looking for a good shell that i couldn't wait any further.
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