325 Drift Setup

[andyholl]

As soon as I get rid of my old car I'm going to be buying a 325, and want to start getting into drifting.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me all the bits I would need to set it up? And rough prices if possible?

Cheers

[TOURINGDADDY]

first off mate u need a strong 325i tourer,black bonnet,lsd,15" black bbs rims and a heavy right foot.

325 Ԛ£1000/Ԛ£1500
lsd Ԛ£200/Ԛ£400
15" bbs + black paint Ԛ£200
black bonnet Ԛ£50
heavy right foot Ԛ£free

[andyholl]

Don't think I'll be getting a tourer!

What LSD is best?
Suspension upgrade?

The heavy right foots already sorted

[TOURINGDADDY]

are u sure u dont want a tourer

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.law47/drift.html

lsd ive got a 3:64 dave in pics has a 3:91
sus i'm runnin on bilstin sprint line kit not too sur what dave is runnin

[Jimbob]

polyurethane bushes
eibach ARB's
H&R cup kit
lsd
solid shell
2.5 m20

all that might cost about Ԛ£2500 if you're lucky?
The main reason for tourer to drift is because it has a 50/50 weight distro, no messing.

[andyholl]

hmmm, so the tourers are better for drifiting?

It's going to be an everyday car aswell, will have to have a think

Cheers for the info

[Hyperion]

4 a proper drift car:
I say you should drop it to a ridiculous height install some strut braches front and back to make the car very very rigid . Take off any fancy mags and put on some bottle tops with tyres with no tread, hmm what else oh chip the car for more power and install a heavy lead foot!!

[Rearwheel_nick]

i say.....learn to drive it proper first before doing anything to it, you'll benefit much more in the long run before you go spending a shitload on stuff, an LSD is about the only thing id suggest..then drive the shit out of it, then when you worked out what is holding you back...buy that. and so on...

[andyholl]

yeah that was my plan, was gonna get the basics to get me started and give it a go, that way if I'm crap at it I won't waste loads of money

[M5pilot]

I wouldnt want to be drifting a Touring on standard susopension......it will just fall over!

I would say LSD and better suspension is an absolute must, after that you can start the fine tuning.

[Simon13]

tourings don't really drift any better than saloons anyway

[Davenotouring]

tourings don't really drift any better than saloons anyway

I disagree!

You can hold better angles, more easily in tourings Si.

[6potWil6pot]

Tourings seem to drift easier and better, altho that might have something to do with the drivers ive seen in them

Then again i found the slag quite chuckable when i was using it

[Simon13]

u never said that when u had mine at insane angles!

will get my pictures up of the "drift pool car" for all and everyone to drive!

[Davenotouring]

u never said that when u had mine at insane angles!

Yours does drift well, as did my old sport.

HOWEVER.........

Saloons are more twitchy on the limit, and tourings do hold more severe angles!

Both are good!

The extra weight at the back makes it more stable, simple as!

[TOURINGDADDY]

WELL SAID

[Simon13]

i was trying last nite and mucho practice is required urgently, will i ever get there!

kick that clutch mo fo

need a sh!te 325 for these drift sessions coming up in the winter!

[TOURINGDADDY]

same here i gotta spend some serious wedge on the tourin for the drift sessions in the winter

[gareth]

would a 2 door be better than a tourer if you filled the spare wheel well with sand/concrete/lead? get the same 50/50 weight distribution from the added rear weight but the centre of gravity would be lower, reducing body roll. hardly an expensive mod for a dedicated drift wagon!!!

[Davenotouring]

I think the touring is good because it has better weight distribution at the rear.

IF all the weight was in one place I don't think it would be so good. Although I would be willing to try.

Plus you can carry 10 wheels in a touring for spares at drift days.

Lets face it, tourings rule.

[6potWil6pot]

would a 2 door be better than a tourer if you filled the spare wheel well with sand/concrete/lead? get the same 50/50 weight distribution from the added rear weight but the centre of gravity would be lower, reducing body roll. hardly an expensive mod for a dedicated drift wagon!!!

If your going to try that make sure the stuff doesnt move! Or you'll get a HUGE change in weight distrubution mid corner, i almost lost a van at work cause it had an excavator bucket which basically moved mid corner!

[Simon13]

it should be strapped secure will u dodgey londoner u!

all i know on drifting is f**k the car it's the driver who's the biggest piece in the jigsaw

Amen

when u can drift then u can comment on differents cars habits me thinks!

[Davenotouring]

Sorry, I'll keep quiet then!

[Rearwheel_nick]

igot 13wheels/tyres in my 2door....thought that was quite impressive. couldnt change gear though.

best drift cars are ones with 50/50 weight distribution better directional changes... which is why mr julian smiths e46 m3 engines e30 has the engine moved quite a way back (so ive been told)

i'm kind of wondering how the pickup i should be driving next year will handle...

Definately all about the driver though. a good driver can make any car work well.. i lent james wolstenholme (you should know him he invented Drifting )my car for round 4 of eurodrift and he was out driving proper set up 450bhp skylines...and my cars proper rough like.

[gareth]

dave, you're preaching to the converted here!!!! i just reckon that a bag of sand poured into the wheel well would make a saloon a lot more like a tourer in CofG terms...

i actually miss drifting a bit now... i have 215/40/16 Toyos, a soft rear end and good shocks on the tourer... with all this dry weather it's near impossible to get the back out! full throttle in 1st on a mini roundabout... nothing but brown trousers. only if i drop the clutch hard. the naff 195/60/15's on my BBS's were great, i could spin them al day long...

do i assume you have el-cheapo skinny tyres on those steelies dave?

I think the touring is good because it has better weight distribution at the rear.

IF all the weight was in one place I don't think it would be so good. Although I would be willing to try.

Plus you can carry 10 wheels in a touring for spares at drift days.

Lets face it, tourings rule.

[Jos]

If you are going to add weight to balance it up, you are better off not putting at the ends of the chassis, large amounts of mass at ends generate a lot of force and can be difficult to persuade to change direction. Try to keep everything near the middle.

[Rearwheel_nick]

yuyp everything in mine is gonna get mounted and as low and as middle as possible....buy buy shitty ass sunroof....

[gareth]

If you are going to add weight to balance it up, you are better off not putting at the ends of the chassis, large amounts of mass at ends generate a lot of force and can be difficult to persuade to change direction. Try to keep everything near the middle.

the whole benefit of the tourer is the mass at the extremities. this large radius of gyration is what slows down the twitchiness when compared to the saloon.

imagine the area of rear roof, glass, tailgate etc that forms the tourers extra mass, if you concentrate that extra mass at it's centre of gravity it will be approximately over the wheel well. the weight in the wheel would allow a saloon to have the same f/r weight split as a tourer but a lower centre of gravity.

on a 'normal' racecar situation, the mass should all be concentrated as close to the centre of the car as possible thus allowing a much lower radius of gyration. this will let the car turn at a much greater rate with the same amount of force input (in this case steering).

i think we need a test pilot for this theory!!! Karan, you've got a tourer, a saloon... and a lot of drift practice... i'll pay the Ԛ£2 for a tourer spec boot sandbag mod!!!!

[Rearwheel_nick]

on a 6pot tourer i guess thats the theory, since it has a big long piece of pigiron up front, so needs some more weight at the back to act against it. stil get all the weight between axles and you got a car that changes direction (pretty important;) in drifting ) much better, ie ae86 corolla, pretty much 50/50 distribution. very nimble.

[gareth]

i suppose there's a lot of personal preference in it but in my understanding (especially a starter drift car) slowing down the speed if switching helps to control the car easier...

reflexes help too!

[Rearwheel_nick]

slowing down sucks though. haha, its just nice to have a properly balanced car, when i drove the zoom ZM coupe....that was proper snappy and caught me out on erm.. numerous occasions, a good driver can drive around that though( i dont class myself as a good driver ) itd be a really awesome all round car if it was less snappy and better balanced out.

[320Touring]

from my copious experience gained through listening to others chatter, i'd say you need

1. an e30 touring in Red
2. LSD (either a diff or the drug)
3. 3.5 m30 turbo'd oot its nut
4. H&R cupkit
5. 12x steelies with 175/70/r14 nankangs
6. Black Bonnet
7. Lots of petrol
8. Balls of steel
9. 3 weeks off work to get it all fitted and plenty of practice
10. an understanding bank manager

[Dee]

E30 325
weld the diff or LSD

Get in it then go out drifting. AS rearwheel nick said as you drive you will soon by parts like shock's and spring and all types of other stuff. So get your car and get out there fella

[Karan]

ok.... first of.... i think tourers rule....theyswitch much better as well as holding much much better angles.... a tourer with a bmw ksd wil sit on lockstops... but a saloon will not unless a fancy diff is installed!

they also break a lot more smootly than saloons...

and Sal.....my tourer drifted fine on stock suspension!!!LOL

for a tourer id do the following in the following order:

1) LSD
2) some kinf of susoension kit to lower (eg h&R cup kit-Ԛ£350)
3) bucket seat and harness (i can not overestimate how important this is)
4) further suspension mods-eg poly bushes and adjust front geometry using offset tca bushes
5) increased girth on rear arb (simply remove it and weld strips down its length (this really really helps during left/right right/left weight transfer as i found out in my sport)


after this comes things like hydraulic handbrakes, coilovers, adjustable mounts, and engine mods/conversions

[Rearwheel_nick]

clamping 2 roll bars together works aswell,

yeah everyone rushes out and gets coilovers it seems normally, which is wierd just making it harder for yourself by stiffening a car up a lot drifting is all about the weight shifting much easier to feel that on standard boat-spec stuff. i have dampers and some lowering springs....gonna cut a coil off or something... justy because i want to go lower for the looks not for any functional thing