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Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:01 am

Been doing alot of searching around on several forums and havent seen any prefs over the b27 and the b25, i have seen the b27 with turbos and also several b25 witch one comes out on top most of the time if the setups are done right. :?
And can one push say more horses out than the other? With the b27 u have a lower CR when turboed does that have an advantage over the b25 bc when looking to turbo dont you want a slightly lower CR? And to add to that it would seem that the rev limit on the b27 would give the b25 and advantage.
I guess what im asking is what is yalls opinon on witch one is better to tune up than the other, and has more potential. Thanks for any feed back im kinda new and might be a few dumb ?s sry. 8)
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:19 pm

325e was an american market model. . . making an 327i is old hat now, most are going 2.8 there's an article in the wiki. . ..
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:31 pm

e301988325i wrote:325e was an american market model. . . making an 327i is old hat now, most are going 2.8 there's an article in the wiki. . ..
What he said.

Out the box the 325i is more powerful than the 325e due to the way the e's head is designed. What people would do is match the 325i's head and the 325e's block which with the right cam and mapping would usually nudge around 190-200 bhp.

Hope that helps. The likes of Ant on here are far more knowlegable and know these engines inside out but that is my basic understanding.
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:22 am

Um.... Im familiar with the fitting of the b25 head on the b27 but the end ? is... is it really worth doing that or would it be easyer just to get an b25 motor and fix it up instead? . Now like eddie25 sayed the b25 out of the box is quicker of course. I guess what im really asking is if i was to put the money into one of the engines witch one would benifit me the most an 86 325es motor or an 88 325is motor. Thanks for the post!! :cool:
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:27 pm

We had the 325Es here in OZ aswell and I have 2 in my family. My fathers 325E has a 885 head with 325I throttle body 325I cam 325I inlet manifold custom 6 branch extractors and It also has a chip that was set up on a Dyno...

Mine is just a standard 325E However I have all the 325I top end ready to be screwed on.

They are plenty powerfull enough to take it to a rexy. Its not the HP that makes these motors fast its the torque they make. Much of the torque is available from 1700rpm and its full song at 2000rpm The torque curve is very flat and hold well past 5500rpm.

They easily beat a 325I because they are at full song just past idle, change gear and your still in the torque curve. The 325Is are on the other hand quite cammy and need their necks rung to get the best of them.

Daimlerman has one aswell but with a 731 head.

I liked my old mans so much that I went and bought a 22year old car. So they have to be pretty good for me to say hell yeah i want some of that.

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Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:21 pm

e301988325i wrote:325e was an american market model. . . making an 327i is old hat now, most are going 2.8 there's an article in the wiki. . ..
It was a world wide model, you can find them all over europe, just not the UK
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:20 pm

Well I have done this this year in an eta. The build is not finished yet.

Start with an 10.2:1 eta motor and fit the 885 head and you end up a 9.35:1 CR. Not ideal but enough unless you want over 200 hp. With the lower CR you will see less benefit from fitting a longer duration cam from what I understand than if you had a higher CR. However there is more to a cam than the duration.. for advice speak to someone who knows like Ant.

You will need to convert to motronic 1.3 and fit the 325i inlet manifold, throttle body and AFM. Without these its not going to do much. Leaving the the eta AFM on my engine left it feeling very flat (even flatter than it is at the moment) at the top end. If you leave the eta exhaust manifold and exhaust on with a 885 head (stock cam, 325i inlet manifold, throttle body and AFM) and one of Ant's 2.7i chips you will get 160 hp @5200 rpm and 186 ft.lb @3800 rpm (assuming my is built right). At 2000 rpm it develops 160 ft.lb so not too shabby and more than a stock eta gives c.150 ft.lb.

Using a 731 head (320i/520i/323i) then you can get more low end torque but the top end hp is more limited to 170 hp ish apparntly but this is assuming you ditch the eta exhaust. Some people have got more but with a MAF, 6 branch manifold and an engine rebuild.

160 hp is not what I hoped for but I have yet to tackle the exhaust and exhuast manifold. The 190hp -200 hp figures quoted for these engine are possible but with more work than and money than I have spent so far. With the exhaust done I will hopefully get more hp, how much I do not know. I took a look at a 325i exhaust manifold today and the down pipe ports look alot bigger than the one's on the 325e/525e, so that could be most of my 160 hp problem.

From the dyno plots I have seen the more pricy builds that push out 220 hp get a bit less torque (150 ft.lb) than I get at 2000 rpm. This is the price of higher hp. So if you want high hp you will will pay for it with low down torque. If you want low down torque you have to sacrefice some high end hp.

However if you get a 325e and its a manual just fit a 3.25 or 3.46:1 diff. It will be quicker than you think and more fuel efficent. You might find you are quite happy with that. If its an auto convert to a manual. Where have you found a 325e, quite common (well moe common than here) in Germany and across Europe.

People on here have got 190 hp out of a 325i but it depends on what kind of car you want. One with easy passing capabilities or one that you have to rev to get it to perform. That is what you have to decide first.

See this post about the issues I am facing. http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... ottle+body
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:14 pm

You dont need to convert to motronic 1.3 I didnt and it works just fine... Just chip tt and up the limiter.

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Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:27 pm

eta wrote:Using a 731 head (320i/520i/323i) then you can get more low end torque but the top end hp is more limited to 170 hp ish apparntly but this is assuming you ditch the eta exhaust.
Says who?? My M20B27 with the 731 'head was dyno'd at 185bhp/185lb-ft.

IIRC, the eta used the same exhaust as the 325i.
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:32 pm

StuBeeDoo wrote:IIRC, the eta used the same exhaust as the 325i.
Just checked ETK. They are indeed one and the same.
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