Z3 Short Shift Debate 1.9 vs 2.8

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Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:59 pm

There has been a long standing debate about the different short shift levers available to fit to the E30. There's a multitude of different levers to go for ranging from the Z3 1.9, Z3 2.8, ZM Coupe, Z4 and so on.

I fitted the Z3 1.9 Roadster lever to my car about a year ago and I have to say, I've been very pleased with the results but I've just found out that the Z3 2.8 lever is just about perfect.

It's a fine balance between a short, fast shifting lever and becoming too notchy as a result of too short a throw.

There is only a minor downside to the 2.8 lever but they seem insignificant due to the great feel of the shift.

The 2.8 lever requires removal of the propshaft vibration damper. Removing this didn't seem to have any adverse effects when we did the conversion on Ziggy's car today. The only other difference is that there is no bend in the 2.8 lever as you will see in the picture below. The original E30 lever and the Z3 1.9 levers have a bend in them above the pivot point so that the lever sits centrally in the centre console when in neutral.

The 2.8 lever sits slightly forward but again, this is insignificant as it's not bad enough to worry about. Infact, unless someone told you about it, you probably wouldn't notice (except Demlotcrew).

The pictue below shows the 3 levers side by side. On the right is the original E30 lever, the middle is the Z3 1.9 and the left hand side is the Z3 2.8. You can see how much more of a pivot there is on both the 1.9 and 2.8 levers compared to the E30 one but the difference between the two Z3 levers is also quite comparable.

If I were to recommend a lever to so the short shift upgrade, it would have to be the Z3 2.8 lever, it's just perfect IMO.

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Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:10 pm

Nice one Adam.

I didn't have to remove the propshaft damper on my Sport when I did the 2.8 lever upgrade, though I also replaced everything on the shift side, including the selector rod... the new one having a kink and a section moulded out of it already, so maybe this had something to do with it.

I reckon I was the first on the Zone to do the 2.8 lever upgrade after having done the 1.9 on the track car and left feeling it could be closer still... and have been banging on about it for ages now... glad someone else has done it and thinks it's as good as I thought it was!

Nice one lads!

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Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:11 pm

See now Dave has this 2.8 lever in his touring we revived the other week and IMO it's way too short and notchy, so when i do mine i think i'll go for the 1.9.

But i might have a little drive in Daves first to make up my mind!
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:12 pm

Perhaps the new design if your remore lever helped but after we'd put it all back together for a test with Ziggy's car, the selector rod was fouling the vibration damper on every gear.

I think I'll be changing mine for the 2.8 lever soon. Any shorter and I think it would become too notchy and a bit unbearable for every day driving.

Good find there Giles!
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:12 pm

Geeman wrote:Nice one Adam.

I didn't have to remove the propshaft damper on my Sport when I did the 2.8 lever upgrade, though I also replaced everything on the shift side, including the selector rod... the new one having a kink and a section moulded out of it already, so maybe this had something to do with it.

I reckon I was the first on the Zone to do the 2.8 lever upgrade after having done the 1.9 on the track car and left feeling it could be closer still... and have been banging on about it for ages now... glad someone else has done it and thinks it's as good as I thought it was!

Nice one lads!

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Demlotcrew i think might of had his first!
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:14 pm

Mine was in January... not that I'm bothered about it... just glad someone else has done it now and has publicly broadcast the merits of having one! :wink:
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:18 pm

Simon13 wrote:
Geeman wrote:Nice one Adam.

I didn't have to remove the propshaft damper on my Sport when I did the 2.8 lever upgrade, though I also replaced everything on the shift side, including the selector rod... the new one having a kink and a section moulded out of it already, so maybe this had something to do with it.

I reckon I was the first on the Zone to do the 2.8 lever upgrade after having done the 1.9 on the track car and left feeling it could be closer still... and have been banging on about it for ages now... glad someone else has done it and thinks it's as good as I thought it was!

Nice one lads!

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Demlotcrew i think might of had his first!
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Thing is i might be going the X5 3.0l route :wink:

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Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:29 pm

Is that even shorter...? Shorter than a Z3M...?

Tell me more!

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Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:42 pm

i agree i think daves was a bit too notchy and ive had the 1.9 in my car for ages and love it.....

havent driven daves though..... just played with it so i cant say really

the conclusion is that basically anything other than the e30 one is good!!

apparently the x5 3.0l one is the one to go for as it is a taller leaver so closer to the steering wheel!!!
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:44 pm

Adam, will i have to remove anything if i put the 2.8 on my IS? Or will it just go in? I heard you dont have to bend anything (like in the tech article) on the IS as it fits in
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SwirlyE30 wrote:Adam, will i have to remove anything if i put the 2.8 on my IS? Or will it just go in? I heard you dont have to bend anything (like in the tech article) on the IS as it fits in
Not sure mate, I've only ever done them on the manly 6-pot engines :jester:
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:56 pm

Karan wrote:
apparently the x5 3.0l one is the one to go for as it is a taller leaver so closer to the steering wheel!!!

i want a really short one though :( :(

are there any that have a much shorter "arm" that the standard as from the pic they all look about the same length / height


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Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:35 am

johnono wrote:
Karan wrote:
apparently the x5 3.0l one is the one to go for as it is a taller leaver so closer to the steering wheel!!!

i want a really short one though :( :(

are there any that have a much shorter "arm" that the standard as from the pic they all look about the same length / height


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I believe the Z4 lever is insanely short when fitted on an E30.

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Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:38 am

top pic!!

so would a z4 fit in the same way ?

as i think ill be doing the z4 2.5
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johnono wrote:top pic!!

so would a z4 fit in the same way ?

as i think ill be doing the z4 2.5
Yeah, they all fit the same way.

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Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:46 am

thanks ian! :notworthy:
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Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:52 am

Ian! You are the man (once again!!!!) I've been looking for that pic for a couple of months! :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Is all this info valid for the 24 valves?

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Andy325i wrote:Is all this info valid for the 24 valves?

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As far as I'm aware it's valid. The only possible problem is the larger prop donut getting in the way.

I'm running a standard 6 speed Evo shift lever on my car. Not sure how much difference there is between this and a standard E30 one though.

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The Z4 2.5 isn't the best one to do... as you can see from the pics, it has the shortest lower extension, meaning the longest throw between gears. I think you'd be better off doing the Z4 3.0 conversion for the short arm / gear throw ratio... I might do this one instead of the Z3M... not as short a throw, but a shorter gear lever... 8)
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Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:07 am

i fitted the z3 1.9 one ages ago and just recently fitted it to the 6 speed box and when i tried the m3 prop end on the gearbox to measure it up,it clears it.Also i shortened the top of the z3 shifter so that the gear knob went on lower.It sits a bit lower than a standard e30 one
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Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:34 am

2.8 too notchy? I don't think so!

I think it's perfect, not too short and slots in easily (just the way I like it)

You should try my mate Si's Honda CRX -65% short shift, now that is short and super notchy!

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davetouring wrote:2.8 too notchy? I don't think so!

I think it's perfect, not too short and slots in easily (just the way I like it)

You should try my mate Si's Honda CRX -65% short shift, now that is short and super notchy!

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I have to agree, its not notchy at all! Just cause Karan dont have one!

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More on the X5 (or was that X3) 3.0lt shift lever, cause I've actually wanted a slightly longer lever, with a slightly shorter throw, but I couldn't figure anything out... I was in the mind that I would need to modify one of the others... with a welde or something :eek:
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Stevin wrote:More on the X5 (or was that X3) 3.0lt shift lever, cause I've actually wanted a slightly longer lever, with a slightly shorter throw, but I couldn't figure anything out... I was in the mind that I would need to modify one of the others... with a welde or something :eek:
Im still looking into the X5 shifter, its like the 1.9-2.8 Z3 one but with a longer top end, this means you get good throw and your hands dont need to move as much from the wheel to get to the stick.

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Demlotcrew wrote:
Stevin wrote:More on the X5 (or was that X3) 3.0lt shift lever, cause I've actually wanted a slightly longer lever, with a slightly shorter throw, but I couldn't figure anything out... I was in the mind that I would need to modify one of the others... with a welde or something :eek:
Im still looking into the X5 shifter, its like the 1.9-2.8 Z3 one but with a longer top end, this means you get good throw and your hands dont need to move as much from the wheel to get to the stick.

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Well I hope u come up with this info soon, cause I'm in the throws of going to get me shifter, and this would be ideal.
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This is a picture of the X5 3.0lt Shifter... looks to me like it's got a massive kink in it ?
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Certainly interested in hearing about the X3/X5 lever if it is longer than the standard...

Note that touring cars of the E30 era (with non-sequential boxes) tended to have longer levers to make the wheel to stick distance as short as possible...

Certainly My preference, too...especially for track days!
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this X5 lever sounds interesting.. glad i havent bought mine yet :cool:
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Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:56 am

BTW that picture is for a RHD car... just incase some of u guys r rolling in LHD cars :) .

Looking at that it looks like it might slant quite a git to the right, towards the wheel, if thats the case even shorter distance for ur hand to travel to the leaver :D
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Stevin wrote:BTW that picture is for a RHD car... just incase some of u guys r rolling in LHD cars :) .

Looking at that it looks like it might slant quite a git to the right, towards the wheel, if thats the case even shorter distance for ur hand to travel to the leaver :D
One thing i have learned from my experience of ordering parts via the ETK is that the pictures are not a good idea of what the item looks like.

I have seen several threads where people have fitted the the X5 shifter and are very happy with it. Its just one of those things you will need to try for yourself.


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Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:49 pm

So there r ppl that have done it on the M20 ? in that case it can't be all that and I don't think it would be harder than fitting a Z3 one.

I think i'm gonna get me one, and see how it goes
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Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:54 pm

There are people who have done it on the M20B25 with the sport box!
As the sports have a different shifting arm (pn: 25 1112 221 201)

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davetouring wrote:2.8 too notchy? I don't think so!

I think it's perfect, not too short and slots in easily (just the way I like it)

You should try my mate Si's Honda CRX -65% short shift, now that is short and super notchy!

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yeh Si's shift is quality!!!

the one in Wils old car was like ures i reckon dave and its quality~!!1
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Does anyone know the part number of the Z4 3.0 shifter? I wouldnt mind trying that on mine soon
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