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Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:19 pm

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winx wrote:cracking build there fella!
Off topic but could you put me on your list for the adjusters Jhonno is testing at the moment, very impressive :D
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Fantastic thread, looking forward to seeing the finished project.

Can you put me down for top mount adjusters too, the ones on Jhonno's car look like a good upgrade.
thanks. But they are still under development. I have 2 sets of Prototypes but they require an update to bring them up to the same build spec of Jhonno's
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UweM3 wrote:
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winx wrote:cracking build there fella!
Off topic but could you put me on your list for the adjusters Jhonno is testing at the moment, very impressive :D
+1

Fantastic thread, looking forward to seeing the finished project.

Can you put me down for top mount adjusters too, the ones on Jhonno's car look like a good upgrade.
thanks. But they are still under development. I have 2 sets of Prototypes but they require an update to bring them up to the same build spec of Jhonno's
No worries Uwe, I dont really need them till next year so no hurry :D
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Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:59 pm

errrr wow!!

i dont know what you can call this but its the opposite of bodging!!! great work

When do you hope to be out at the ring next? mine is undergoing a reshell in the next few weeks due to a weather change incident at wipperrman oops. Let me know when you're heading out id love a pax lap! :cool:
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Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:46 pm

Hi,

Uwe- looking really good.

Like your Security arrangements as well.

Once this is all done your going be smirking
for weeks once you drive this on the Track.

You got to spend some serious money to obtain
this sort of performance from an S14.

If your engine is still out, which I believe it is,
do the Dual feed Oil Pump modification
on the Oil Pump main nut.

Look on the VAC site, its easy to do, costs nothing,
just added protection.

On your oil cooler, take off the main
oil filtre/stat housing off the engine,
where the original oil cooler lines fit,
tap the stat housing for m16 very
carefully, purchase 2 x steel or alloy
m16 to -10 adapters, do the same
of the oil cooler threads and make
your own hoses up.

Use the ICORE range from Rally Design,
www.rallydesign.co.uk, about a tenner each
for the fittings, and 30.00 for the hose.

Ease to do, and alter if you want to and so light, its
ridiculous.

Pirtec and those sorts of places are very good,
but eveything is industrial guage, and their
stainless steel hose has the large crimped
metal ends.

Just poking my primate nose in spending your money!!!

Regards,

The Gorilla.
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Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:54 pm

thanks for your input Danny! Will have a look into tapping the M16's. But that will mean buying the tap first :-)

I am aware that Pirtek isn't the lightest stuff out there but I just like the idea of crimped connectors.

Just trying my luck, you haven't got another LHD E36 or 46 steering rack lying around??

EDIT:
do you mean this?
http://store.nexternal.com/shared/Store ... =715919137

do you have more details, from what I can read I can't make it.

PS quite a bit agressive marketing of VAC methinks. Clicked three items and all three had RED messages like below. If you have good products you don't need to scare people.
This oil pump issue effects 100% stock and modified motors and we get calls and emails with these failures several times a day. An oil pan baffle is not enough, do NOT be the victim this common failure!

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This oil pump issue effects 100% stock and modified motors and we get calls and emails with these failures several times a day. An oil pan baffle is not enough, do NOT be the victim this common failure!
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so several times a day an oil pump shaft in a S50 engine snaps......get real!
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Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:06 pm

Hi,

Uwe- You can borrow my M16 Tap if
you want, how do you think I came to find
out about it !!!

On the Oil Pump, the main problem appears
to be the main nut which can come loose.
Some Guys who I spoke to have just drilled the spindle
thread of that nut and then used a good
quality stainless steel locking wire.

Make sure the oil pump bolts into the
sump pan are ''tabbed'' or lockwired,
as I have seen a couple of race cars with
the pump loose in the sump, you can imagine
the rest.

I agree, about VAC's '' we get loads of calls''
they wish !!

The ICORE fittings and hose is absolutley top
notch, easy to make up, easy to re-use, and so
on.

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The Gorilla.
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Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:21 pm

UweM3 wrote:Just trying my luck, you haven't got another LHD E36 or 46 steering rack lying around??
Ah ha! Changing that rack as well now Uwe? Seems we convinced you after all :D I think you'll be impressed with the difference it makes.
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GeoffBob wrote:
UweM3 wrote:Just trying my luck, you haven't got another LHD E36 or 46 steering rack lying around??
Ah ha! Changing that rack as well now Uwe? Seems we convinced you after all :D I think you'll be impressed with the difference it makes.
not only a ratio thing GeoffBob, I believe the banjo connectors of the E46/36 racks are in a more suitable place for my application. the ratio change is a welcome byproduct
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UweM3 wrote:not only a ratio thing GeoffBob, I believe the banjo connectors of the E46/36 racks are in a more suitable place for my application. the ratio change is a welcome byproduct
Well, if the LHD E46 rack is a mirror image of its RHD counterpart, then it would look something like this:

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The banjo bolts certainly look easier to get at. E30 shown next to it for reference.
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Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:25 pm

Aren't the E46 and E36 racks so similar they are more or less interchangable? I seem to recall Ian swapped his E36 rack for an E46 CS rack with little hassle. I could be wrong.

Great progress Uwe...

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Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:51 pm

I know of a e36 m3 lhd rack if you need one.

This would be pretty sweet though. Ebay De (if babelfish has translated it correctly)
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jaistanley wrote:Aren't the E46 and E36 racks so similar they are more or less interchangable? I seem to recall Ian swapped his E36 rack for an E46 CS rack with little hassle. I could be wrong.

Great progress Uwe...

Jai
Jai, need to ask a few questions about your wiring. Ian told me you used the Roadster loom as well but your ECU plug was on the correct (E30) side of the loom?
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Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:09 pm

UweM3 wrote:
jaistanley wrote:Aren't the E46 and E36 racks so similar they are more or less interchangable? I seem to recall Ian swapped his E36 rack for an E46 CS rack with little hassle. I could be wrong.

Great progress Uwe...

Jai
Jai, need to ask a few questions about your wiring. Ian told me you used the Roadster loom as well but your ECU plug was on the correct (E30) side of the loom?
hello uwe,
i also used a z3m engine loom, and yes, the ecu plug is on the correct (e30) side.
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UweM3 wrote:
jaistanley wrote:Aren't the E46 and E36 racks so similar they are more or less interchangable? I seem to recall Ian swapped his E36 rack for an E46 CS rack with little hassle. I could be wrong.

Great progress Uwe...

Jai
Jai, need to ask a few questions about your wiring. Ian told me you used the Roadster loom as well but your ECU plug was on the correct (E30) side of the loom?
hello uwe,
i also used a z3m engine loom, and yes, the ecu plug is on the correct (e30) side.
either I am a complete dork or there are two different looms.
My ECU on my LHD E30 M3 is on the passenger (RH) side above the glove box.
The loom I have (from a RHD ZM Roadster) has the ECU plug on the LH side of the square plastic cowling. (which would be MY driver side)

Unless I am a moron and hold the loom upside down I can't see how this is going to work

.....help :cry:
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Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:28 pm

UweM3 wrote:Unless I am a moron and hold the loom upside down
Uwe,

Check your email :wink:
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UweM3 wrote:Unless I am a moron and hold the loom upside down I can't see how this is going to work

.....help :cry:
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Yea, my ECU mounted really easily under the dash in the standard position for a RHD car; so your passenger side!

I'd reccomend the Z3M loom to any RHD E30 swapper, if I hadn't gone all bufty and started chopping it about to fit into an E30 M3 wiring cover, it would have been VERY easy to use. You just have to splice wires into an E30 engine plug.

You DO however have to wire a fuel pump relay into the engine loom. Ian realised that my loom didn't have one when writing me up my wiring chart. For some reason they have it in the car loom. It was very easy to remedy, just splicing in four wires IIRC.
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Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:18 pm

gentlemen, I must be daft.......

Or I do identify some of the part wrongly and confuse the hell out of myself. I will have a good night sleep and try again tomorrow!

So the consens is, get rid of the square box and drag the wires along as required?
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UweM3 wrote:So the consens is, get rid of the square box and drag the wires along as required?
I'd say the opposite personally. Keep it all in the square box. You've REALLY got to want the 4 pot/M3 wiring cover to go through the hassle of it. It also keeps it self contained if you ever need to move it for any reason.

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Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:48 pm

Hi,

Uwe- I may have to use my power
LHD Z3 Rack on my Track Car.

The Manual Quick rack I have fitted,
2.2 lock to lock is great out on the Track
but a real pain when moving the car about
on the drive and in the garage etc.

That old S54 lump ain't so light at 2mph.

What LHD Power Rack do you want, Z3 or E46 ?
Might be able to help.

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Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:50 pm

Hi,

Uwe- by the way, I agree with Ian,
keep the E36 Box.

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jaistanley wrote:Yea, my ECU mounted really easily under the dash in the standard position for a RHD car; so your passenger side!

I'd reccomend the Z3M loom to any RHD E30 swapper, if I hadn't gone all bufty and started chopping it about to fit into an E30 M3 wiring cover, it would have been VERY easy to use. You just have to splice wires into an E30 engine plug.

You DO however have to wire a fuel pump relay into the engine loom. Ian realised that my loom didn't have one when writing me up my wiring chart. For some reason they have it in the car loom. It was very easy to remedy, just splicing in four wires IIRC.
that's exactly how it was with mine jai, i also had to fit a fuel pump relay. also, the z3m loom doesn't contain the x69 plug, these wires are in the x20 plug.

uwe, it sounds like you have the e36 loom ( ecu plug exits the cover on the 'nearside'
with mine and jaistanley's z3m loom, the ecu plug exits the cover
on the 'offside'
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Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:40 pm

here a picture of my loom. Does this look like the Roadster loom to you guys?

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had a very quick look at the picture Ian mailed me. Now we're talking, you guys mount the square box back to front! (...or ist me being dasft again winkeye )
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UweM3 wrote:had a very quick look at the picture Ian mailed me. Now we're talking, you guys mount the square box back to front! (...or ist me being dasft again winkeye )
Uwe,

You can't mount it back to front, or it won't connect to the engine correctly. I'm afraid it's how you're looking at it :D

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UweM3 wrote:here a picture of my loom. Does this look like the Roadster loom to you guys?

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Doesn't to me... Jai's wiring to the ECU plug was A LOT longer and separate iirc
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Dan,

This is a better picture of Uwe's loom.

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Ahhh... Ok.. In that case, yes it does! :o: :mad:
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And Uwe, you are being daft.. The ecu plug is on the right side.. That will got through and mount under the dash lovely
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I'd go for the E36 box, now having gone through the pain of fitting the E30 wiring cover (well half fitting one so far!)...
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ian332isport wrote:Dan,

This is a better picture of Uwe's loom.

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it looks to me that the e36 'cover box' is upside down in that pic?
which mean's that the ecu plug would fit nicely above the glovebox on the m3?
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Jhonno wrote: And Uwe, you are being daft..
Agree.....
Jhonno wrote:
The ecu plug is on the right side.. That will got through and mount under the dash lovely
I have looked at the loom the wrong way round all the time when standing in front of the engine in my garage.

Phew, I already started to worry that I have lost my mind... winkeye

just shows that I have serious Nuerburgring withdrawal symtoms :mad:
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given the (unknown) age of my car's fuel pump and the fact that the S50 is working with 5bar (72.5psi) I thought it is a good time to modernise a little and bought this E36M3 in tank fuel pump. Last track day season made it evident that a swirlpot is desperately needed so I combined the two winkeye

E36 M3 EVO fuel pump
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made a swirlpot/pump housing
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side bey side view
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job done. Almost. Just need to add a clamping ring and the pipe conecctors
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and this is where it will be mounted
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:cool: :cool:

I need a swirl pot also! I ended up with large amounts of fuel surge below 1/3 tank :(
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:40 pm

Very nice Uwe, some great stainless work.
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