320i - why do ppl slate them ?????

[johnono]

never having had a 325i, i can honestly say i want one!



i think thats a healthy attitude

[320Touring]

never having had a 325i, i can honestly say i want one!



i think thats a healthy attitude

BOOO!HISS!!!!!

nah, only kidding mate-i'd like a 325i touring as much as the next man, even if they are a bit 'italian' (fragile )

the engine pulls so much harder and is so much more powerful.just a pity they dont seem to be as hard wearing.

esp given the number of failures recently on 'zoner's cars that have had excellent treatment (coolant changes, oil, servicing etc)

[johnono]

i totally agree mate but i cant help wishing the tourer was a little bit more competitive in the speed stakes

e36 320i i think will be the doner, as technically its the same engine size as the original but is more powerful, so id be getting a younger, more powerfull engine without having to pay the extra v.a.t! (a weird law in denmark is, if u increase the engine size " legally" then the car must be re-m.o.t.ed and then taken to customs and exsise for a re- valuation )


also an increase in engine size would require a improved brake and suspension arrangement, but seing as the 2.0 and 2.5 are almost the same i wouldnt need to do that

[Simon13]

never having had a 325i, i can honestly say i want one!



i think thats a healthy attitude

BOOO!HISS!!!!!

nah, only kidding mate-i'd like a 325i touring as much as the next man, even if they are a bit 'italian' (fragile )

the engine pulls so much harder and is so much more powerful.just a pity they dont seem to be as hard wearing.

esp given the number of failures recently on 'zoner's cars that have had excellent treatment (coolant changes, oil, servicing etc)

what planet are u from not as hard wearing?! u don't see 320's with the same milege as a lot of 2.5's do u?

[Zayyan]

Is a 2.7 conversion on a 2.0 detectable without taking the engine apart?

I thought on a 2.5 at least you had to take the engine apart....

[Simon13]

no all 2.7's will look like a normal M20 untll u take it apart.

If u want a sh!te 2.7 use a 2ltr head u can't make over 200bhp with them

[johnono]

if its the same head is it the same inlet manifold?

if so then to the untrained eye it would look exacto like a 2.0

[Simon13]

2.0 inlet is smaller bore to a 2.5 inlet so i believe but i just get your point now!

[johnono]

i was writing it as u posted so i didnt even know what was said

but if i got a 25 block, a 20 head, a 25e crank, 25 inlet bored out, a 25 bbtb, and a "banana" ex. manifold how far away from a 27 conv. am i ?


deliberately missed out the con. arms as i dont know which ones they shoud be

[Simon13]

i think u can use a complete eta bottom end and bolt on a 2.0 head mate job done

[johnono]

duh!

that would have ben a much better idea init!

[320Touring]

simon, point taken about the number of 325's out there with moon miles on them!

however, if you go on "miles per head" its a slightly different story.

johnono-you need a 2.7 officer, eh i mean 2.0.

180+bhp from simon's "crappy" 2.7 should see his sport working hard to stay level-also a 2.7 is a lot cheaper than Ԛ£4+k for a good sport.


I'd seriously consider building a 2.7 if I could find a damn 525e. Esp as I have the 2.0 head here.

If you need a 2.0 head for the 2.7 johnono, i can get you one at 'mates rates' if you are thinking a month down the line?

[StuBeeDoo]

180+bhp from simon's "crappy" 2.7 should see his sport working hard to stay level

Been here before, haven't we??
Personally, I think that anyone would be hard pressed to tell the difference between driving a "320i" 2.7 and a mega-money "325i" 2.7. After all we're looking at a relatively (sp) small difference in BHP and probably less of a difference in torque. Unless you're building a car purely for the track, mid-range gains are the most beneficial. How many roads do you drive on where you can be flat-out all the time???
I know which way I'd build a 2.7 - but then I'm not one of the "I got more power than you" brigade. That's why I'm gonna go for a 160+bhp 2.3.
OK, so we'd all like more power. Question is what's the point in throwing loadsa wedge at a small amount of increase in top-end. How many of us actually drive flat-out all the time?
Sorry if this a bit of a rant.
Stuart.

[Stoney_god]

180+bhp from simon's "crappy" 2.7 should see his sport working hard to stay level

Been here before, haven't we??
Personally, I think that anyone would be hard pressed to tell the difference between driving a "320i" 2.7 and a mega-money "325i" 2.7. After all we're looking at a relatively (sp) small difference in BHP and probably less of a difference in torque. Unless you're building a car purely for the track, mid-range gains are the most beneficial. How many roads do you drive on where you can be flat-out all the time???
I know which way I'd build a 2.7 - but then I'm not one of the "I got more power than you" brigade. That's why I'm gonna go for a 160+bhp 2.3.
OK, so we'd all like more power. Question is what's the point in throwing loadsa wedge at a small amount of increase in top-end. How many of us actually drive flat-out all the time?
Sorry if this a bit of a rant.
Stuart.

We all like a good rant when it can be backed up with 'adult' reasoning. I drive a 318 as it suits me loads. I barely travel any distance to work and I think I even managed to 60 the other day on my way home. Everyone has their opinions/reason for chosing a particular model hence why a 'range' was made. I've just aquired a 325 Auto free of charge and am not sure what to do with it. Do I get bits sorted on it and use it or do I let someone else have it and sort it. I have no need for anything more than I've got now. At the moment I'd rather invest my money in a loft converison than the my local shell garage. If my account balance was bigger I would have a 325 but only if I can make sure it's looked after and loved the was it deserves to be.. Rant over.. I going to chill now

[johnono]

well , i got the head, if i can source a 25e bottom, then were larfin!!

180+ bhp, chip, bbtb, m3 fpr ( 3 bar one ) 3.7- diff, for the cruise and 25 injets.

if that would make a 27 i dont know but it all sounds good

[Simon13]

My point is if u are building a 2.7 engine they why do it half way? It's gonna cost a bit anyway. Johnono as u said your reasons i can see your point!

The difference between a good 2.5 lump (Like mine!!!) and a good 2.7 lump (like Karans) is like night and day. The amount of torque on his is bordering on savage. So if u use a 2.0 litre head for your 2.7 in all honesty your not going to get alot more than a good 2.5, and a 2.5 with cam and a few other bits won't get slaughtered by a good 2.7.

So it's all swings and roundabouts

Theres a complete 525e lump in my local scrappy he wants Ԛ£60 for the whole engine!

[johnono]

youԚ´re quite right si, not deneiying (sp) it at all,.. sham i dont have a clue what the difference between a 2.5 version and a 2.0 version of a 2.7 is


...apart from one is made using the head from a 2.0l

[tomstickland]

I drove a 320 for a few weeks. Then test drove a 325 sport. Then bought a 318is.
The 325 is a far far better engine than the 320. Hot hatch performance with slightly better mpg.
The 318is is better than the 320 engine in my opinion too. Lighter, slightly more power and feels just as smooth to me.

The 320 was a bit knackered though, so I'm probably not being totally fair.
The main problem with the 320 is that's a small capacity 6 pot, which is a bit pointless really.