E30 in the next 5-10 years?

[Y_Cymro]

The government is rumoured to announce its scrappage scheme on Wednesday and this will have a significant effect on all car values, but especially those of the right age for the scheme (>9yrs) that are less valued by enthusiasts. Suddenly, cheap cars with MOT (and perhaps tax) will be worth £2000 against the purchase of a new car and many are bound to be scrapped. From our perspective, I should imagine that non 325 or iSs are likely to suffer most and I'll bet their numbers will be drastically culled over the next year of the scheme. This should mean that the value of good, remaining cars will increase due to rarity - unless we're all driving round in brand new 6000 quid FIAT 500s and no-one wants old E30s any more.

[nickso]

, I should imagine that non 325 or iSs are likely to suffer most and I'll bet their numbers will be drastically culled over the next year of the scheme. This should mean that the value of good, remaining cars will increase due to rarity - unless we're all driving round in brand new 6000 quid FIAT 500s and no-one wants old E30s any more.

it could mean that perfectly good shells go to the crusher for no other reason other than the old cunt that owned it decided to waste some of his inheritance on a new car.

as e30's get older the actual spec and engine get less and less important, the shell is pretty much everything on old cars as everthing else can be put into the shell in a few days.

cant see e30's getting to the stage where they are making new shells like they do with those MG turds.

if the scrappage nightmare does come true and lots of e30's, or anything else decent, get into my local scrappy ill be filling the house up for the future and snapping up any good shells.

could be pure coincidence but my local scrappy had shitloads of e30's in last year, there hasnt been a single one in this year to date. bit of a bummer as i need all those stupid little bits that you get for free.

[SUMPCRACKER]

Havent seen an E30 in the scrapper for ages.

[djk]

The government is rumoured to announce its scrappage scheme on Wednesday and this will have a significant effect on all car values, but especially those of the right age for the scheme (>9yrs) that are less valued by enthusiasts. Suddenly, cheap cars with MOT (and perhaps tax) will be worth £2000 against the purchase of a new car and many are bound to be scrapped. From our perspective, I should imagine that non 325 or iSs are likely to suffer most and I'll bet their numbers will be drastically culled over the next year of the scheme. This should mean that the value of good, remaining cars will increase due to rarity - unless we're all driving round in brand new 6000 quid FIAT 500s and no-one wants old E30s any more.

Bloody scrappage scheme meddling nonsense grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!! Sooner we have a an election the better. So we're all supposed to b making do and mending the rest of the time, but throwing perfectly good cars away? It really drives me nuts.

E30s are going to be the next mkI Escorts in terms of sudden jump in values, mark my words.

[Rosc0PColtrane]

The government is rumoured to announce its scrappage scheme on Wednesday and this will have a significant effect on all car values, but especially those of the right age for the scheme (>9yrs) that are less valued by enthusiasts. Suddenly, cheap cars with MOT (and perhaps tax) will be worth £2000 against the purchase of a new car and many are bound to be scrapped. From our perspective, I should imagine that non 325 or iSs are likely to suffer most and I'll bet their numbers will be drastically culled over the next year of the scheme. This should mean that the value of good, remaining cars will increase due to rarity - unless we're all driving round in brand new 6000 quid FIAT 500s and no-one wants old E30s any more.

That's assuming people will have £7k+ to spend on new cars.

[Cheekychunkyfunkymonkey]

As i'm in the market for a new city runabout at the moment, I've been investigating which small shoebox on castors will convey us with something approaching dignity, into the metropolis we call Sheffield.
During my enquiries one fine gentleman in a prominent and popular local car dealers showed me an email they had just received from the car manufacturers. It stated a list of vehicles that would be eligible for the scrappage allowance....................................There wasn't one city car or supermini anywhere on the list.
However if you fancy an MPV or family hatch, get in line!
also "Scrappage" is misleading, "Crushage" is more appropriate as all the vehicles taken on the scheme will have to have documentation showing they have been completely removed from circulation.
So forget about second hand e30 spares finding there way back onto the market!

[Rosc0PColtrane]

It's all about saving the car industry. No margin on super minis

[nickso]

also "Scrappage" is misleading, "Crushage" is more appropriate as all the vehicles taken on the scheme will have to have documentation showing they have been completely removed from circulation.
So forget about second hand e30 spares finding there way back onto the market!

i half suspected that may be the case. some suit in londonshire probably thought that by totally removing the car from use it will prevent other similar cars being kept alive by the abundance of spares that would be produced.

if scrappage goes through i may actually vote for the first time to show my displeasure at the next election

[Simon13]

your not entitled to moan about f**kall if you don't vote, its a waste of a ballot imo

I don't like any of them but you must vote for something even if its the green party, BNP or what ever

[sweep]

The bmw e30,till death do us part.!secondhand parts wont die (i hope)ive got two fraggers,
lets see these old mg' s go into extinction

[nickso]

your not entitled to moan about f**kall if you don't vote, its a waste of a ballot imo

sorry simon but thats tired old bullshit that i have heard a thousand times before.

i can moan about whatever i please and that includes any government or MP that i didnt vote for. the fact i didnt vote for anyone is irrelevant. i simply havent found anyone worth voting for yet.

[Simon13]

it ain't bull bert its how it works. end of. take it in this time!

[bss325i]

I'm with nickso, never voted but i still think they are all a shower of shit.

[fuzzy]

if you dont vote its as much your fault as anyone who actually voted for them.
theres only 2 real choices. the psuedo conservatives or the conservatives.
theyre all coonts but change is needed purely for changes sake. and to get rid of that 4rse gordon brown.

[nickso]

how what works?

why vote for someone you are pretty sure will do a shit job and not represent your views just because not voting suddenly makes you unable to have a view at all? nonsense.

when the right honourable Mr or Mrs fabulous comes along ill be happy to vote for them. until then ill pass thanks.

[fuzzy]

its a matter of picking out who will do a slightly less shit job than the current clowns.

[nickso]

if you dont vote its as much your fault as anyone who actually voted for them.
theres only 2 real choices. the psuedo conservatives or the conservatives.
theyre all coonts but change is needed purely for changes sake. and to get rid of that 4rse gordon brown.

like i say im almost tempted to vote to help remove brown. only problem is the winner will likely be that conservative arse who no doubt will support scrappage to keep the votes up.

[Simon13]

Thing is they are all gimps claiming loads of expenses etc. I expect their allowance per day will be something stupid like £600 a day. 60,000 a year as a salary just don't cut the mustard these days!

MP's will say whatever gets the votes and will keep slowly fooking it all up. like scrappage schemes, 20mph zones country lanes to 50mph, average speed cameras. You'll die before you find one you like or says it how it is and answers a question with yes or no on Jeremy Paxmans programme. You'll die having never voted!

[fuzzy]

its about damage limitation more than anything else. theyll all f**k us but by varying amounts.

[nickso]

Thing is they are all gimps claiming loads of expenses etc. I expect their allowance per day will be something stupid like £600 a day. 60,000 a year as a salary just don't cut the mustard these days!

MP's will say whatever gets the votes and will keep slowly fooking it all up. like scrappage schemes, 20mph zones country lanes to 50mph, average speed cameras. You'll die before you find one you like or says it how it is and answers a question with yes or no on Jeremy Paxmans programme. You'll die having never voted!

60k is still something like 3 times the national average. if they dont like it they can do something else. greed is killing this country.

dying having never voted doesnt fill me with dread. voting for someone who wears a different colour tie but spouts the same bollocks as the last guy is more concerning to me.

[e30topless]

I have never voted !! and probably never will ..

back on topic ..

E30 in the next 5-10 years?

no doubt there will be one on my drive

[nickso]

E30 in the next 5-10 years?

no doubt there will be one on my drive

get a garage, it'll rot away otherwise

[Mayze]

Better than the E21 is doing now!

[Y_Cymro]

- unless we're all driving round in brand new 6000 quid FIAT 500s and no-one wants old E30s any more.

That's assuming people will have £7k+ to spend on new cars.

You're absolutely right, but a problem is that many people will get loans when they can't really afford them to make sure they 'get a bargain' of a new car.
Unless of course, banks have learnt a lesson from having £20billion of our money and don't lend money as recklessly as they once did.

[SUMPCRACKER]

Thing is they are all gimps claiming loads of expenses etc. I expect their allowance per day will be something stupid like £600 a day. 60,000 a year as a salary just don't cut the mustard these days!

MP's will say whatever gets the votes and will keep slowly fooking it all up. like scrappage schemes, 20mph zones country lanes to 50mph, average speed cameras. You'll die before you find one you like or says it how it is and answers a question with yes or no on Jeremy Paxmans programme. You'll die having never voted!

Im gona vote for simon.

[capri_rob]

I don't think that the £2000 scrappage scheme will have much of an impact on E30 prices or numbers - who is a "typical" E30 driver ? someone who is prepared to p/ex their 20 Year old car to get 2 bags off a new eurobox and saddle themselves with debt for the next 5 Years ? No

I think the scrappage scheme will have much more of an impact on bland stuff thats just over 10 Years old - Vectras, Mondeos, Astras etc - as these are far more likely to be driven by people who aren't interested in cars and quite like the idea of having a new car on the drive just to impress the neighbours - numbers of these will drop drastically.

Someone that buys an E30 now has to actually go looking for one and actually want one as they're not that common - if you've got £500 burning a hole in your pocket you'd really have to want that rusty E Reg BM instead of the comparatively rust free mid 90's Escort/Astra/Mondeo that admittley is dull as dishwater but will cost you peanuts to run. And after you've owned it 6-12 months are you really gonna want to get rid of it just because you get £2k towards a load of Debt for the next 5 Years ? Probably not.

[djk]

I don't think that the £2000 scrappage scheme will have much of an impact on E30 prices or numbers - who is a "typical" E30 driver ? someone who is prepared to p/ex their 20 Year old car to get 2 bags off a new eurobox and saddle themselves with debt for the next 5 Years ? No

I think the scrappage scheme will have much more of an impact on bland stuff thats just over 10 Years old - Vectras, Mondeos, Astras etc - as these are far more likely to be driven by people who aren't interested in cars and quite like the idea of having a new car on the drive just to impress the neighbours - numbers of these will drop drastically.

Someone that buys an E30 now has to actually go looking for one and actually want one as they're not that common - if you've got £500 burning a hole in your pocket you'd really have to want that rusty E Reg BM instead of the comparatively rust free mid 90's Escort/Astra/Mondeo that admittley is dull as dishwater but will cost you peanuts to run. And after you've owned it 6-12 months are you really gonna want to get rid of it just because you get £2k towards a load of Debt for the next 5 Years ? Probably not.

Agreed. It's the greenwash of it that makes me really mad - how can it be green to encourage waste? The other thing is, who benefits from 'scrappage'? Will it 'jump-start the economy' or just line the pockets of schysters in charge of a manufacturing industry that is already on its knees precisely because of their profligacy and greed?

I suppose we're all supposed to be Europeans now, so feeling that we're subsidising the jobs of French, German and Spanish automotive workers is supposed to make us feel good about our increasingly baseless national economy. It stinks.

As regards the whole voting issue - I can understand why people don't vote, but the point is you have to be cynical, as the system assumes you already are. I have the complete Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister on DVD - a better instruction manual for understanding and engaging with modern democracy does not exist.

[SUMPCRACKER]

I have the complete Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister on DVD - a better instruction manual for understanding and engaging with modern democracy does not exist.

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If that was shown in schools instead of the political crap they get forced down their necks, the world would be a better place!!

[Cheekychunkyfunkymonkey]

I think the scrappage scheme will have much more of an impact on bland stuff thats just over 10 Years old - Vectras, Mondeos, Astras etc - as these are far more likely to be driven by people who aren't interested in cars and quite like the idea of having a new car on the drive just to impress the neighbours - numbers of these will drop drastically.

Someone that buys an E30 now has to actually go looking for one and actually want one as they're not that common - if you've got £500 burning a hole in your pocket you'd really have to want that rusty E Reg BM instead of the comparatively rust free mid 90's Escort/Astra/Mondeo that admittley is dull as dishwater but will cost you peanuts to run. And after you've owned it 6-12 months are you really gonna want to get rid of it just because you get £2k towards a load of Debt for the next 5 Years ? Probably not.[/quote]

Suppose we're all supposed to be Europeans now, so feeling that we're subsidising the jobs of French, German and Spanish automotive workers is supposed to make us feel good about our increasingly baseless national economy. It stinks.


Valid point regarding the debt issue and despite racking my brain I can't think of one small affordable decent car thats built in this country. May be it's me thats a bit dim but just what impact will it have on jobs for the british automotive worker?

[DaveD]

If you look on this Dutch site you will see the average asking price for e30's there... well up !I think that prices will harden here to as people come to realise what good cars they are

[HartgeH27]

If you look on this Dutch site you will see the average asking price for e30's there... well up !I think that prices will harden here to as people come to realise what good cars they are

Dave, which site ?

[DaveD]

..its an age thing

http://www.marktplaats.nl/

[SUMPCRACKER]

The car has to go up in value, there is no close comparison car.
Last night i went to a club in the touring, picked up a mate on the way who instantly fell in love with it and whinged about selling his years ago... then his wife came outside to say what a nice car it was very cool ect..
Got to the club and the doormen stopped me to ask about the car and tell me how good they were and about their mate who had one ect.....
When we went outside there were a couple of lads having a look at it..
On the way home i was aware of the nods of approval from a few other drivers and i cant say ive seen such posertive attention to a car since my mk2 rs 2000.

The E30 is becoming more desireable,i saw the proof last night.