A New 1 Series BMW 116D

[Alex]

http://www.green-car-guide.com/articles ... Page1.html

not bad 64mpg

still its a 2.0

[georob]

all those figures are tosh for mpg, its fine on a test bed but in the real world...

[Pilsbury]

We had a his & her's 120d, then 118d's.
I averaged 34 and 32mpg respectively. The good lady got 51 and 57mpg respectively. Basically the same route for both of us, at around the same time, only she drives a lot more sedately. Official BMW figures were 49 and 50mpg. So, she bettered them by a good 14% in the 118d.
I'd say the Efficient Dynamics kit would add a few % too.

The 116d seems to be very similar output-wise to the original 118d.

[Alex]

I'd say the Efficient Dynamics kit would add a few % too.

what exactly is that, i keep hearing about it but not sure what it is??

is it a more aero dynamic body shell or something

[Pilsbury]

It's things like auto start/stop where the engine cuts off when you're stopped at lights, vents on the radiator grille to allow the engine to get to working temperature more quicker, brake regeneration which charges the battery a little when you brake, stuff like that.

[Alex]

It's things like auto start/stop where the engine cuts off when you're stopped at lights, vents on the radiator grille to allow the engine to get to working temperature more quicker, brake regeneration which charges the battery a little when you brake, stuff like that.

sounds like a tree huggers car

i bet that stop and start thing takes some getting used to, i thought cars used more juice stopping and starting them would be a nightmare on the motorway in heavy traffic

[Pilsbury]

You can turn it off. I think it only works when you put the car in neutral and lift the clutch when the car is stationary

[Blitz]

[e30325inl]

Bmw dont want to be making these cars anymore than we want to being seeing them but to go on building 5, 7 and large engined 3 er's as a company they need to bring the emissions down on the range as a whole and by making these tree hugger cars means they can still get away with what they are good at 6 cylnder autobahn killers

but the 116 d is nothing from 2010 116i and 118i benzine/petrols will be powered by 1.3 turb'd petrol fiat engines


now that is slightly alarming

[Alex]

from 2010 116i and 118i benzine/petrols will be powered by 1.3 turb'd petrol fiat engines

really

[e30325inl]

official, they went in to development with them over the new bmw isetta/fiat topolino same car different badges coming out in 2010 and they got on so well they are using fiat engines and these are not fiat designed engines with bmw input like the mini engines are peugoet engines altered by bmw

These are fiat engines..and theyre going in entry level 1 er's

[Alex]

oh no

[Pilsbury]

I suspect almost all BMW's will have turbo'd engines in the near future.
I didn't think there was any real difference between the Mini engine and the PSA versions, other than where they are made? I also thought that BMW and PSA were developing other 4 cylinder engines together. Haven't heard of a FIAT connection, but, I wouldn't have thought they'd go to someone like that for anything other than small 4 cylinder engines.

[maxfield]

I suspect almost all BMW's will have turbo'd engines in the near future.

I hope Mpower doesn't go this way, N/A FTW!

Although I think they've got all they can out of N/A engines.

[e30325inl]

BMW 1 Series Engine Lineup
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Nov

Posted by Horatiu B. as 1-series

Benny, our editor at BMWtoday.de, has come across some interesting information regarding the next BMW engine lineup for the 1 Series. We have touched this subject several times and talked about a future four cylinder twin-turbo engine or a rumored four cylinder quad-turbo, but it is interesting to see what other engines BMW has prepared for their fans.

Most of the engines listed below are available exclusively for the European market, so we won’t be seeing them in the U.S:

116i - 1.3 liter turbo 136 bhp
118i - 1.3 liter turbo 177 bhp
120i - 2.0 liter turbo 218 bhp
130i - 3.0 liter 272 bhp
135is - 3.0 liter twin-turbo 326 bhp
And for the diesel engines:

118d - 2.0 liter turbo 150 bhp
120d - 2.0 liter turbo 184 bhp
123d - 2.0 liter twin-turbo 211 bhp
Thanks for the tip Mauro, and I agree, the 1.3 liter turbo with 177 horsepower is definitely an exciting engine, which I’m sure it will fully take advantage of the EfficientDynamics technology while keeping the performance levels high.

AND THOSE I.3 ENGINES ARE FIAT SOURCED UGH!

[Alex]

177bhp from a 1.3 thats pretty cool

118d - 2.0 liter turbo 150 bhp
120d - 2.0 liter turbo 184 bhp
123d - 2.0 liter twin-turbo 211 bhp

im guessing they just have more boost the further up you go

[Pilsbury]

FIAT have a 1.4 turbo 4 pot, which is used in the Abarth Punto and Abarth 500. I really can't see them bringing out a 1.3 as well.
The 1 series based Z2 is meant to be all blown 4 pots (including the M version), so, the info makes sense with regards to the engines, but, not the source of them IMO.
The diesel variants look like the current M47 diesel.

[e30325inl]

Not a rumour anymore been a fact for months all the motoring weekly press like auto express autocar etc have been going on it about alot, with no mention of it being abit risky for bmw etc.

But whatever fabrique industry automive turin (fiat) have been a concern for age's and they dont pull in much profit but because of all the employment they create not just in factories but in other contributing out sourced industries which supply em the government keep them going and they scrape bt knocking out barely acceptable products in todays market

So i feel in european countries more so than here n the u.s this will be seen as bmw saving fiat ( remember fiat have factories n plants all over the eastern block) and were a big player years ago with transforming them into old yugo's seats etc

But looked upon as when vw took up skoda n seat
they aint buying fiat but they are piggy backing them helping them rebranding them and i think i takes the piss bmw are about the only pure car company in todays world that doesnt share its parts with other marques and its crap

They dont need to do this, its one thing supplying fiat engines but using theirs Bmw are getting to confident its true no car today can match bmws quality performance economy etc even main rivals dont come close

The bmw brand is being ruined purely as its a victim of its own sucess and there are too many on the road which makes them cheaper less classy than they were in the 80's using fiat ENGINES is taking it one stage further

thats why e30s are the only acceptable form of bmw when they meant something and when they were over engineered west germany style

[Pilsbury]

FIAT - (Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino - basically the Italian Car Company of Turin) are one of the biggest companies in Italy. MUCH bigger than BMW, and have seen a drop in car profits, but, not much elsewhere. I would seriously doubt BMW have the funds to buy FIAT even if they wanted to. They have more employees in Italy than BMW do worldwide, and as many again in various divisions worldwide.
FIAT have always made fantastic small cars, and the FIAT 500 and Alfa MiTo are challenging the Mini's market - and set to do so in the US through a deal with Chrysler, which are the main reasons I don't see BMW having an interest in them despite what the magazines say.

[e30325inl]

Well known fact do you not buy read the motoring press BMW arent buying them just helping them cus they arent exactly known for their reliability are they in laymans terms injecting abit of quality into fiat

and in return like you say fiat make good small engines and they are concentrating on this for bmw leaving bm to what they are good at. all started over the new isetta/toplino venture do u not know any of this?

Obvioulsy it goes abit deeper than that but thats the jist n it isnt marvellous soon your average jo will look at your z4 cupe n say agh " probably got a fiat engine in it" ugh

[Pilsbury]

Personally, I don't give a flying dingo's kidney what anyone thinks of me or my car.
The only FIAT group car I ever had any issues with was one of my integrales which managed to put some of the valves through the bonnet when it exploded. I've had a 2 Uno turbos, a Punto GT, 3 integrales, an Alfa 155 Q4, a Lancia 8.32, a Thema turbo, a 16v turbo Coupe and a 20v turbo Coupe.

[e30325inl]

[I've had a 2 Uno turbos, a Punto GT, 3 integrales, an Alfa 155 Q4, a Lancia 8.32, a Thema turbo, a 16v turbo Coupe and a 20v turbo Coupe.[/quote]


What u after pilsbury old chap, Sympathy!

all u need nows a ferrari n youve had preety much everything half decent they ever done oh and a panda apparently

[Pilsbury]

Actually, there's plenty of decent cars they've made I haven't had without going to Ferrari or Maserati.
And having hired a Panda 100hp, I thought it was fantastic fun. No such thing as a bad small FIAT IMO - all of them love to be thrashed.

[town325i]

all new fiats are crap unreliable crap spitting there crank sensors at 60'000 miles this is on two different cars owned buy different people my uncle has got a 55 plate punto 1.2 guttles and it needed a new exhaust in 12'000 miles. the fiat stilo like spitting its front suspension springs into the tyres to try and kill you on the motorway and with in 20,000 mile i think the same front spring has snaped again

[town325i]

http://www.green-car-guide.com/articles ... Page1.html

not bad 64mpg

still its a 2.0

and this turd has been around for a few years now and you only pay £35 a year road tax on it dont you ever go to a bmw dealer to buy parts

[Pilsbury]

Eh? the 116d is a new variant...

[town325i]

Eh? the 116d is a new variant...

they have had these at the dealer i go to for the last couple of years or for the last year with stickers all over it advertising the fact it can do 63mpg and £35 a year road tax also there is a mini with the same technology

[Pilsbury]

No they haven't. You've been looking at a post facelift, 2007 on 118d. Which does (apparently) 63mpg (only 1 less than the 116d) and also costs £35 a year to tax....
Maybe you should go to SpecSavers?

Edit:
BMW Press Release - dated January 8th, 2009
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/about/news/0 ... 0.html[/b]

[town325i]

they all look the bloody same to me

[Alex]

http://www.green-car-guide.com/articles ... Page1.html

not bad 64mpg

still its a 2.0

and this turd has been around for a few years now and you only pay £35 a year road tax on it dont you ever go to a bmw dealer to buy parts

its a new one

the 318d has been around for years and has been awarded greenest car of the year

http://www.carpages.co.uk/bmw/bmw-116d-08-01-09.asp

the 316d is even better

[Alex]

they all look the bloody same to me

so does a 316i and 318i e30