btb2

[daimlerman]

I'm just defending my chosen product when everyone including youself sang the praises of the HT without any proof and derrided the so called rip off price of the BTB.

But you're not "just defending" your product. You actively seek to slag off the Hottuning manifolds anytime the term "6 branch" comes up. Indeed, your first post in this thread dragged up the Hottuning straw man yet again:

The delive the good though unlike the Hottuning coppies!

The best defense is attack I suppose. LOL!

On a serious note, the Hottuning thing is pointless. If you want to "defend your product" all you need to do is speak of the quality of manufacture and the gains you've found. Then leave it to the punters to judge what is best for them. You're really pitching products together that exist in/for different markets...and you keep doing it. It's tired.

I appreciate the stature of BTB manifolds, really I do, and you've got what appears to be an exemplary result. That's awesome and you should be pleased with it. I would be. But I also appreciate that the Hottuning manifold fits the bill for a lot of people who might like a bit of shiny in their engine bay and who might fancy a bit of a note to their exhaust. They might also appreciate the slight increase in economy that nearly any 6 branch will bring. Horses for courses, I say. If you want the latter then paying £650-750 is ludicrous (I add the higher figure as that is what a lot of us o/seas guys would end up paying if shipping/customs was included). If you want pure performance then at some stage a BTB manifold would at least be considered as part of the upgrade journey.

This really sums up the whole argument,Barry has never tried the Hottuning manifold so how does he know that it is rubbish? Like many other zoners I have one on my car and I know that I have a gain from it,fuel economy has improved as a starter,from an average 32mpg to a best of close to 38mpg.But of course Barry rubbishes this because 'you fit a six branch for performance not fuel economy'!! It is well past the time that Barry should wind his neck in on this subject and let the punters vote with their wallets.

[Morat]

Apart from owning a BBTB, does barry have any other affiliation with BBTB?

[B7]

Apart from owning a BBTB, does barry have any other affiliation with BBTB?

No only firm experience with results.

[Morat]

Fair enough then.

[reggid]

I definitely have the BTB2 (I believe I was the first to provide independent results 2 years ago). On the inside of two of the runners there was some weld splatter and it attracted some carbon build up so I spent a few minutes with a dremel and its all good now. There is indentation to help fit the nuts but this didn’t cause carbon build up it does slightly reduce the pipe size at this location but I doubt its enough to worry about and i only highlighted it to show its not 100% perfect.......perhaps BTB3. If other manifolds don't have this then perhaps they are from later batches as i have had these in my possesion for 2.5years i would say so would be an early batch. The BTB2 IMO is still worth the money and the HT one is also a worthwhile but more of budget concious (read sensible)alternative.



one of JAZZMANS pics

[bss325i]

I'm just defending my chosen product when everyone including youself sang the praises of the HT without any proof and derrided the so called rip off price of the BTB.

But you're not "just defending" your product. You actively seek to slag off the Hottuning manifolds anytime the term "6 branch" comes up. Indeed, your first post in this thread dragged up the Hottuning straw man yet again:

The delive the good though unlike the Hottuning coppies!

The best defense is attack I suppose. LOL!

On a serious note, the Hottuning thing is pointless. If you want to "defend your product" all you need to do is speak of the quality of manufacture and the gains you've found. Then leave it to the punters to judge what is best for them. You're really pitching products together that exist in/for different markets...and you keep doing it. It's tired.

I appreciate the stature of BTB manifolds, really I do, and you've got what appears to be an exemplary result. That's awesome and you should be pleased with it. I would be. But I also appreciate that the Hottuning manifold fits the bill for a lot of people who might like a bit of shiny in their engine bay and who might fancy a bit of a note to their exhaust. They might also appreciate the slight increase in economy that nearly any 6 branch will bring. Horses for courses, I say. If you want the latter then paying £650-750 is ludicrous (I add the higher figure as that is what a lot of us o/seas guys would end up paying if shipping/customs was included). If you want pure performance then at some stage a BTB manifold would at least be considered as part of the upgrade journey.

This really sums up the whole argument,Barry has never tried the Hottuning manifold so how does he know that it is rubbish? Like many other zoners I have one on my car and I know that I have a gain from it,fuel economy has improved as a starter,from an average 32mpg to a best of close to 38mpg.But of course Barry rubbishes this because 'you fit a six branch for performance not fuel economy'!! It is well past the time that Barry should wind his neck in on this subject and let the punters vote with their wallets.

I haven't tried a HT manifold but i have seen PROVEN results by someone who has fitted one and dyno'ed their car before and after!

Have you PROVEN your results? NO thought not!

All this b0llocks about arse dynos and impoved MPG is NOT conclusive so Malcolm, wind you neck in!

[bss325i]

Those two graphs are dated roughly a year apart, how can that be conclusive

There have been no changes oil done to the car within that time. Even the same petrol station was used (Shell optimax) at the same time of the day.

[bss325i]

I definitely have the BTB2 (I believe I was the first to provide independent results 2 years ago). On the inside of two of the runners there was some weld splatter and it attracted some carbon build up so I spent a few minutes with a dremel and its all good now. There is indentation to help fit the nuts but this didn’t cause carbon build up it does slightly reduce the pipe size at this location but I doubt its enough to worry about and i only highlighted it to show its not 100% perfect.......perhaps BTB3. If other manifolds don't have this then perhaps they are from later batches as i have had these in my possesion for 2.5years i would say so would be an early batch. The BTB2 IMO is still worth the money and the HT one is also a worthwhile but more of budget concious (read sensible)alternative.



one of JAZZMANS pics

This is what i wanted to see! So it proves that there has been slight a slight variation in production but one thing is for sure my BTB2 doesn't have this indent, i have had mine for about 14 months.

I know of two other people with BTB2 mainfolds which were produced early on so i will speak to them about the difference.

Did you dyno yours before and after? I would like to see results if you have?

[bss325i]

to be fair barry we had a go in 5th gear 100mph plus and i couldn't cog it down to 4th. You and i know the pina touring would pull from a standstill and in lower gears on a rolling start. As a 10bhp difference at higher speeds is nothing

I di't say you wouldn't pul away. I said you wouldn't pull away convincingly.

Admit it Si both you and Oz were surprised.

[reggid]

This is what i wanted to see! So it proves that there has been slight a slight variation in production but one thing is for sure my BTB2 doesn't have this indent, i have had mine for about 14 months.

I know of two other people with BTB2 mainfolds which were produced early on so i will speak to them about the difference.

Did you dyno yours before and after? I would like to see results if you have?

[AlpineAde]

I haven't tried a HT manifold but i have seen PROVEN results by someone who has fitted one and dyno'ed their car before and after!

Have you PROVEN your results? NO thought not!

All this b0llocks about arse dynos and impoved MPG is NOT conclusive so Malcolm, wind you neck in!

But it doesn't have to be "conclusive". Some people are not interested in dyno charts and have no interest in peak power figures. Some people are quite happy to feel that their car might have a little more urge and that when they do their fuel consumption figures they see a nice turn in improved economy. Measuring fuel consumption is easy to do and is VERY conclusive for individuals making measurements before and after a part has been fitted; it is conclusive for them with their cars and with their driving habits in their environment.

The 6mpg improvement that Daimlerman is reporting is impressive and that improvement alone probably justifies the purchase of the Hottuning manifold FOR HIM. I assume he measured his economy before and after fitting the manifold...how is this not relevant for him? Because others might not be able to replicate it means nothing. At least not to Daimlerman....

You see where I'm coming from? There appear to be two ways of measuring "satisfaction" in this thread. One is based solely on what a dyno chart tells the person reading it. The other is more pragmatic: "How does this product operate FOR ME? Is it giving me a benefit that I think is worthwhile". Personally, I suspect that I am a mixture of the two. I suspect that you are a dyno only guy. There are others who find worth solely in how the product makes them feel about their pride and joy ~ and that's alright. too.

[gooner1]

Those two graphs are dated roughly a year apart, how can that be conclusive

There have been no changes oil done to the car within that time. Even the same petrol station was used (Shell optimax) at the same time of the day.

As for my cars working hard, i've clocked up 20000 miles in two years and it lives out side and is driven ALL year round in ALL weathers!

10000 a year and you did,nt change the oil.
Another plus for spending less on the HT manifold, it leaves more money
for regular oil changes.

[AlpineAde]

LOL! I hadn't noticed the oil change interval. Yikes! I'm sure he made a typo. I really hope so.

[JazzMan]

Heat wrapped looks best imo. Expensive with a 6branch with long headers though

Yup I've done this on the Sportster, its right pain in the bum doing - especially if you've already put the manifold on like I had!



It doesn't look as pretty with the wrap on but it certainly reduces temperatures. Ceramic coating would be another option, but I'd have to take the manifold off again and send it somewhere to be done.

[bmw1066]

As for a 118d or 120d leaving you for dead they won't not my pina! Despatched an alpina D3 E90 saloon from the lights which is knocking on 330d power. Diesels are immense midrange these days but ultimate bhp and lower weight will still out drag them if thats your thing

Sorry should have checket it LOL 120d 7.9 to 60. As for the 330d well 330i could not get past me in a chip box'ed 330d??? but this was from about 20 mph D's are shit at standing starts most off the time. same my 320 for that LOL, Mabe I have had slow 325's to drive??? I need to drive a good one then

[bss325i]

Those two graphs are dated roughly a year apart, how can that be conclusive

There have been no changes oil done to the car within that time. Even the same petrol station was used (Shell optimax) at the same time of the day.

As for my cars working hard, i've clocked up 20000 miles in two years and it lives out side and is driven ALL year round in ALL weathers!

10000 a year and you did,nt change the oil.
Another plus for spending less on the HT manifold, it leaves more money
for regular oil changes.

Apppologies, i wrote that wrong as i had just woke up.

I meant to say that there have been no changes within that year except for oil which incidently is changed every 3000k using castrol 10w40 and a genuine filter.

The bosch plugs are the same ones that i put in it at 37000 miles so will probably be changed when it reaches 57000 miles. New genuine air filter went on the car the first time it was dynoed when standard at 42000 and id is still whats in there.

I did try a ITG induction kit for approx 3000 miles but decided to go back to a standard air box and filter.

[bss325i]

I've said all i want to on this subject.

If you guys are happy with what you got BTB/HT/RD etc etc then thats all that matters really.

[Jon_Bmw]

A sceptic could say that the ITG lost you power and taking it off realeased some more. Would Sal sell a ITG knowing it doesn't do anything or in fact lose power? Surely not!

I think Lee summed it up quite well, one is £600 and gives 3 times the performance of the £200 one. So, its all equal. I am yet to hear of anyone that bought a £200 HT manifold and expected it to be as good as a BTB2.

[bss325i]

A sceptic could say that the ITG lost you power and taking it off realeased some more. Would Sal sell a ITG knowing it doesn't do anything or in fact lose power? Surely not!

I took it off becase it looked pony in my engine bay.

[daimlerman]

I've said all i want to on this subject.

If you guys are happy with what you got BTB/HT/RD etc etc then thats all that matters really.

Phew,thank feck for small mercies,I for one am very with my hottuning manifold,can we please drop this now and still be because after all,who really apart from you,of course?

[Jon_Bmw]

A sceptic could say that the ITG lost you power and taking it off realeased some more. Would Sal sell a ITG knowing it doesn't do anything or in fact lose power? Surely not!

I took it off becase it looked pony in my engine bay.

Agreed! Yours is too nice for that scrap.

[daimlerman]

A sceptic could say that the ITG lost you power and taking it off realeased some more. Would Sal sell a ITG knowing it doesn't do anything or in fact lose power? Surely not!

I took it off becase it looked pony in my engine bay.

Horses for courses?

[bss325i]

A sceptic could say that the ITG lost you power and taking it off realeased some more. Would Sal sell a ITG knowing it doesn't do anything or in fact lose power? Surely not!

I took it off becase it looked pony in my engine bay.

Horses for courses?

I take it you have an ITG?

[daimlerman]

I've said all i want to on this subject.

Barry,you would get on well with my wife,she rattles all day about bugger all as well....

[Rodderz]

I have just got in from town.......what have I missed??

[fuzzy]

nothing.

[bss325i]

I've said all i want to on this subject.

Barry,you would get on well with my wife,she rattles all day about bugger all as well....

Just leave it Malcolm. I've not once been personally rude to you unless in response to something condecending you've said about me.

No need to take it to heart because i have bad words to say about a manifold you so happened to have bought.

[spook]

Ceramic coating is an expensive option.

[fuzzy]

its about £150 for a manifold i believe.

[AlpineAde]

Ceramic coating is an expensive option.

Well worth it and very necessary if you're looking at FI. Well worth it even if you're staying NA. I'm getting mine done.

[march109]

Where can I get it done in the UK for £150? I'd be interested at that price!

RD all day all the way.

[e30bmlover]

back on topic then.... anyone got a decent manifold they wonna flog me??

[fuzzy]

Where can I get it done in the UK for £150? I'd be interested at that price!

RD all day all the way.

your right, i was confusing figures... its more like £300 for a manifold...

[spook]

And a standard one at that.

[fuzzy]

yep, thats the rough price for a 4wd cosworth manifold as fitted on mine so a 6 branch will be much more.