BMW E36 M3 Evolution - Minor damage - advice

Post Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:58 pm

As ive already said, dont be too hasty, i have been talking to the owner of this car and since we are both talking sensible numbers i think there will be a good chance i will be repairing this car, he paid over 7k for the car and has been offered 2.5k as it is leaving him over 4.5k out of pocket, he accepts that although its not recorded it wont be worth what he has paid as a repaired car but it still gives him a fair chunk to repair before he is as out of pocket as he would be if he just sold it on.

he wont break it himself by the way, no space or time.

Post Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:59 pm

beardymat wrote:As ive already said, dont be too hasty, i have been talking to the owner of this car and since we are both talking sensible numbers i think there will be a good chance i will be repairing this car, he paid over 7k for the car and has been offered 2.5k as it is leaving him over 4.5k out of pocket, he accepts that although its not recorded it wont be worth what he has paid as a repaired car but it still gives him a fair chunk to repair before he is as out of pocket as he would be if he just sold it on.

he wont break it himself by the way, no space or time.

good job you will be doing the work mat.. at least it will be done properly!

Post Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:12 pm

e30bmlover wrote:good job you will be doing the work mat.. at least it will be done properly!

Cheers buddy, it will be repaired properly. the key to saving this car will be repairing the offside rear corner and not just cutting panels off here there and everywhere, its funny that people consider that part the worst bit but to me its just a case of carefully tweaking it back.

he just needs to source some good second hand parts so if you know of any please share

Post Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:47 pm

Top banana. Frankly if the repairs are well documented and the history of the car prior to the shunt is as good as suggested on here, the car ought to remain among the better e36 M3s around. A lot have been thrashed and crashed, covered in halfords tat or had their histories conveniently mislaid, so finding a good honest car, despite impact repairs, will appeal to plenty of folk down the line. The owner won't see his money back like he would were he comp insured, but it may not be as catastrophic as he first feared.

Doesn't really need to be said, but as others mention, TPO is a bit daft on a car you'd struggle to afford to replace. I don't mind driving others' cars on my insurance (ie TPO in those circs), but not far if it's worth a few bob. Tempting fate, as this sad tale seems to show.

Post Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:21 pm

Fingers crossed this gets done. Too many big mouths going about how it's scrap, how crap E36's are etc yet every hero seems to be prepared to patch up some shitheap of an E30 worth £300 on a good day.

Matt - our mate Phil has a nice door and possibly a sill skirt 'in stock'.

Post Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:09 pm

it dont look a to bad a job to repair ive made worse off cars look straight when i worked in a bodyshop the one that always springs to mind is a jag xkr that left the m6 backwards at 110mph the back end was on the rear seat

Post Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:40 pm

Thanks for all the input, I pass on sensible thoughts/opinions to Dan.

I think hes going to get it fixed up to a very high standard (Matt?), it would be a shame to loose such a nice example.

I will let you know what he does with it.

Cheers

Post Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:09 pm

i hope that it is on the rad soon seems a real shame too scrap it, to be honest if it was me id get it repaired and run it into the ground

Post Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:15 pm

What a shame! This was one of the best examples left! I was in the same position with an M3 evo COUPE in estoril! Had a p 97 minter 55k miles FBMWSH no accident or paint payed 12k in 2004, was 24 years old and insured it third party valued at 5k for Insurance. Payed £1100 a year insurance. (big mistake)

Dumped girlfriend and she had a friend throw Nitromors paintstripper all over ever inch of the car. It F**ked the whole car even the alloys/tyres.

Got offered £4k for it and decided to have it repaired at a cost of £3700. The repair job was ok but not great at that price.

1 year later whilst now having fully comp insurance she did it again and they wrote it off and sent me a cheque for £8260.

Not sure if that helps much?! The police have some nice pics and Know it was her but no evidense!

Post Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:26 pm

I also had a crash in another m3 evo in estoril p 97 coupe 58k miles! Went through a hedge backwards at 60mph and had nearly iddentical damage to your damge! My insurance company repaired it at a bmw certified bodyshop. It was £5800 ish. I was fully comp that time.

Post Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:45 pm

Had a good look at this and the photos! Im sorry to say this but if you had a bmw body shop carry out the work

£4800-£6500 depends what they did with the other rear quarter pannel damage! Trust me!

If you use any old body shop you might be dissapointed mate!

And pay £3000+

Post Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:02 pm

Two people in kent (Ramsgate) got hold of my M3 from the insurance company and resprayed it all (again) the one that was trashed with paint stripper and stuck it on autotrader for £9500 Beware reg P150 NOP! Steel won't recover from Nitro Mors!
P783 AWX- Crashed ,S209 BPK- crashed, N236 PUL-painted.

Post Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:05 pm

Andyboy wrote:Fingers crossed this gets done. Too many big mouths going about how it's scrap, how crap E36's are etc yet every hero seems to be prepared to patch up some shitheap of an E30 worth £300 on a good day.

Matt - our mate Phil has a nice door and possibly a sill skirt 'in stock'.

I agree with Andyboy! You don't break nice M3'S with 52k genuine miles!
Stupid!

Post Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:29 pm

Leigh, I think you should stop buying nice e36 m3's!

Post Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:26 pm

Jon_Bmw wrote:Leigh, I think you should stop buying nice e36 m3's!

yeah! that and spend half an hour or so reading my restoration thread (link in sig below). This car is tucked away in my workshop right now waiting for some choice second hand parts to turn up, turned out the exhaust was the worst dissaster on this car as its bent all the way up to and including the manifolds, very costly!!

It wont be repaired by any bodyshop but by "The Bodyshop" which is what we call ourselves. It will also be repaired to my very own high standards. Rest assured this M3 will live on

Post Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:42 pm

That is bad news about the manifold

At least its not a BTB modified one at a grand plus! Good to see it being repaired, if the owner doesn't mind, I wouldn't mind seeing some pics of the repair.

Post Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:16 pm

Read the whole lot, that is the work of a true motor enthusiast! Well done Matt!
Wish I knew you when my Evo got covered In paint stripper.
Hats off! That M3 will live on as it was 'a genuine example' .

I must say as much as I love all the top E30's you can't beat that S50 321bhp for the money.

Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:19 am

leigh wrote:Read the whole lot, that is the work of a true motor enthusiast! Well done Matt!
Wish I knew you when my Evo got covered In paint stripper.
Hats off! That M3 will live on as it was 'a genuine example' .

I must say as much as I love all the top E30's you can't beat that S50 321bhp for the money.

true mate... but an evo dosent make exactly 321bhp.... maybe on bmw's dyno where the ambient temps are just right and so on....
i personally haven't seen a stock evo make that bhp... i would love to though!

Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:48 am

e30bmlover wrote:true mate... but an evo dosent make exactly 321bhp.... maybe on bmw's dyno where the ambient temps are just right and so on....
i personally haven't seen a stock evo make that bhp... i would love to though!

Really? How many have you seen?

I've only seen three, two standard which both made stock power and a third that was tuned and was pushing 340bhp. A properly serviced and set up/looked after S50 WILL make stock power, it's myth's like these floating around that slate these cars and put the S50 down. E36 M3's are proper car's in every department.........

Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:57 am

i think its a cool looking car in standard form and as fast as

Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:02 pm

A good E36 M3 Evo that is running 100% on proper fuel will do around 320 bhp. If it doesn't, there is something wrong with the car, the fuel, or the dyno. BMW are bound by law to provide accurate power figures.

Sure, a high mileage example running on 95 octane fuel with 'pin the tail on the Donkey' valve clearances and various other issues will be 30 bhp down.

Post Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:13 pm

Thanks for the comments.

Matt, im glad Dan decided to send it up to you in the end, I thought he probably would. The best place for it

If you have time it would be good if you put a pic or 2 up as you go if Dan's ok with it.

Paul

Post Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:00 pm

least it is saved

Post Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:06 pm

Lesson well learned here. £7500 car? dont insure it third party

lemon.

Post Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:31 pm

Its up to him, if he wants it bad and he can only afford 3rd party on the M3, then do it! Life's about taking risks.

Post Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:36 pm

everyone knows that the only bmw engine that produces less than its quoted figures is the m20, every other bmw lump is running bang on or over powered

Post Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:38 pm

Agreed all my M3's I have owned ran between 321-338bhp the 338bhp being chipped.

Post Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:41 pm

Most rental companies self insure. They build up a pot of cash, from selling a non existing 'fully comp 0 excess' product which they use to pay out on the cars when they get damaged. They have 3rd party cover which starts at anything that costs over £100,000!

At 21, I was driving around a £60k merc S class and £48k of Range Rover Vogues all 3rd party.

Some might say its risky, but ultimately if you are 100% confident in your own abilities and can always claim off someone else(think, being rear ended) why not take advantage of cheaper insurance. The clever person would save the difference between fully comp and third party and keep it as a failsafe.

If you can't afford to lose the total value of the car you are insuring, 3rd party is not for you.

Post Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:55 pm

fuzzy wrote:everyone knows that the only bmw engine that produces less than its quoted figures is the m20, every other bmw lump is running bang on or over powered

My B25 gave the factory 171 bhp when standard on three different dynos.

Post Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:01 pm

that was sarcasm aimed towards all those who continually use the tired old m20 engine excuse especially when compairing to an 'IS' engine thats also always miraculously over powered.

Post Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:38 pm

fuzzy wrote:that was sarcasm aimed towards all those who continually use the tired old m20 engine excuse especially when compairing to an 'IS' engine thats also always miraculously over powered.

Ah ok. We all know the M42 was honed by god himself!

Post Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:08 pm

Jon_Bmw wrote: Some might say its risky, but ultimately if you are 100% confident in your own abilities and can always claim off someone else(think, being rear ended) why not take advantage of cheaper insurance. The clever person would save the difference between fully comp and third party and keep it as a failsafe.

If you can't afford to lose the total value of the car you are insuring, 3rd party is not for you.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've read on the Zone for some time. How about theft, vandalism, flood damage or an engine bay fire? I assume you weren't actually the owner of said 60 grand Merc/RR? Spending 60k on a car and trying to save £600 on insurance is for the terminally retarded.

Post Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:19 pm

in my experience theres very little difference in price between fully comp and 3rd party as they want to discourage you from taking the lesser policy cover.

Post Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:30 pm

fuzzy wrote:in my experience theres very little difference in price between fully comp and 3rd party as they want to discourage you from taking the lesser policy cover.

ive found lately that 3rd party only is more than fully comp

Post Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:24 pm

I think we have established now that it should have been insured fully comp. A simple mistake, so let it drop