Could anyone tell me how to weld a diff up?

[town325i]

i havnt got a clue could of been but i have sold that much stuff this year and seen so many different people i dont no

[DanThe]

Dont forget kids, drifting is a way of life!

[d6dph]

Can't we all just get along.

So who wants to see my collection of detailing stuff

[Cyruz]

Ohhh detailing bits.... get 'um out!

Over 15k of daily driving in e30's with locked diffs, no crashes (off track ). If you want welded diff information come over to www.trampdrift.com otherwise, e30 technical q's can be answered here.

[gooner1]

bss325i, as someone who does,nt sit in either camp, bufty or drifter, i can see joshy,s point sort of.
The amount of stick drifter,s get on this site approaches hate sometimes, and i,ve never understood it.
Me, i just like driving a well maintained, well built reasonably powerful rwd car that does,nt look like every other
euro box out there.

To sterotype like that just shows igonorance! The guy clearly has a chip on his sholder for whatever reason but to slag of people like that for having a nice E30 and appreciating it for what it is, is just ****!ng uncalled for.
I couldn't give a toss about what drifters do with their welders and scrap but i dont stereotype them all as chav teenagers! Ive only ever commented once about anything drift related and that was about the angle of the driveshafts on MJG's car which even he commented in a further post that they had failed twice.
So because some of us have a nice E30 that makes us a shit driver in comparison to a drifter? If ANY of you think that then you really are deluded.
I personaly have a 325i Sport (YES JOSHY, A ****!NG 325i SPORT!) which is used mainly for shows but i also have another E30 buit for driving pleasure, ie going fast, safely!

That,s what i was trying to say mate, though not as eloquently as you have. The stereotyping comes from both sides which is both presumptious and illogical. None of us know it all, and the more people interact the more they learn. Retaining that knowledge is a different matter.

[2_stroke]

Mr Gaynor, if you engaged your brain and used your eyes before posting perhaps you'd understand. Franky i'm quite suprised you are not working/cable tieing your car as thats what you spend most of your life doing isn't it?

hahahahahahaha

yeah Mike.... be told!!!! lol

mind you i dont see his car plastered over the banner, do you??

[Fushion_Julz]

Well done town325i, tell your mate to come and compete in the BDC with his open diff rather than hooking up roundabouts ;) We'll see how great the open difff serves him.

Most of the real drifters can hang open diffs out no problem, and they can be fun for sure, but they do not allow for proper drifting on most tracks, it's nothing to do with skill, it's just a fact.

Grindculture, save your patronising schoolboy talk for those who condemn stuff they know nothing about, not the people offering real, detailed, personal experiences

FYI all Nissan 200sx have LSD with 30% lock-up

[Fushion_Julz]

when i drove the shed back home on the motorway it nearly fooking killed me and my missus every time it went a little over 70 it tried to fire us into the hardshoulder i realy do hate cut springs after that fair enough if they are going to be used on a track but on the road they are a bit dodgy

Springs are so cheap NO ONE uses cut springs on a track...Probably would fail scrutineering, in any case...

[town325i]

when i drove the shed back home on the motorway it nearly fooking killed me and my missus every time it went a little over 70 it tried to fire us into the hardshoulder i realy do hate cut springs after that fair enough if they are going to be used on a track but on the road they are a bit dodgy

Springs are so cheap NO ONE uses cut springs on a track...Probably would fail scrutineering, in any case...

it wasnt inteded to mean that you need to read the whole thing to understand i cant stand cut springs anyway after the encounter i had with them

[MJG]

Well done town325i, tell your mate to come and compete in the BDC with his open diff rather than hooking up roundabouts ;) We'll see how great the open difff serves him.

Most of the real drifters can hang open diffs out no problem, and they can be fun for sure, but they do not allow for proper drifting on most tracks, it's nothing to do with skill, it's just a fact.

Grindculture, save your patronising schoolboy talk for those who condemn stuff they know nothing about, not the people offering real, detailed, personal experiences

FYI all Nissan 200sx have LSD with 30% lock-up

FYI, no they don't

[Fushion_Julz]

Well done town325i, tell your mate to come and compete in the BDC with his open diff rather than hooking up roundabouts ;) We'll see how great the open difff serves him.

Most of the real drifters can hang open diffs out no problem, and they can be fun for sure, but they do not allow for proper drifting on most tracks, it's nothing to do with skill, it's just a fact.

Grindculture, save your patronising schoolboy talk for those who condemn stuff they know nothing about, not the people offering real, detailed, personal experiences

FYI all Nissan 200sx have LSD with 30% lock-up

FYI, no they don't

Well, I had an S13 one a while back and (when I was looking) ALL 200sx (both S13 and S14s) had LSDs...perhaps in different markets they didn't, but ALL UK spec 200sx's did...

[steerfromtherear]

Thats not true Julz, all s14's have lsd's some s13s have lsd some have open diffs. Thats UK spec cars.

Im not 100% but I have a sneaking feeling it could be to do with the facelift s13s had.

[Fushion_Julz]

Ar...OK, you may well be right as I had only ever looked at facelift cars....

[MJG]

I was under the impression s14s had some open diffs too ie auto's and what not, but I dunno

[steerfromtherear]

Could be right Mike, Ive never seen one with an open whereas I have seen a few s13's giving it the gay one wheel smokey.

[Jon_Bmw]

I can 100% say that some s13's didn't have a slipper. The one in my garage on a 1990 G plate didn't. It does have now, it came off an ABS equiped s14 with the s13 backplate. Shame BMW LSD's are not as cheap as nissan ones. That cost £50 and was the going rate.

I suspect that some facelift s13's didn't get slippers as well, all dependant on what someone ticked at the factory. I think they all came with diff coolers, but don't quote me on that one.

[Jon_Bmw]

Autos s14 diffs were the same ratio as Manual s13 diffs, and some were LSD. Mine for example.

[MJG]

Auto s14 diffs are however, shorter than manual s14 diffs Wow this topic has digressed! lol.

To weld the diff go on trampdrift.com and look in the articles section for the "welding a diff" article.

[lee]

i too have welded diff...

driving in the wets and bit more fun.... but on the other hand driving a rwd in the wet with powers fun.... driving in the dry is like normal i find.... if u want to slide give it a bit more and turn in... out she goes....

theres some of u saying about mr plod...how many of you have non correct cars...ie german plates? tinted non e marked lights? come on fella's be fair! everyone has bits ont here cars that ain't 100% right...

my car was brought for the sole purpose of drifting... its a e reg 500 shit box! simple...


buy it , drift it, break it, scrap it!!!!!!!

just to add when i got it , it had open diff... would drift fine some times and others do what it liked... my 328 sport has lsd and yes i can drive with that fine, but i want to be able to drift! hence weld the diff... and have fun....


i know for me drifting is fair more fun than i had in my race car!

sure if some of u zoners had a go u'd love it....

[DanThe]

Spinning the wheels is good for a bit of a laugh, but to build a car JUST for that sole purpose is very sad IMO

I may act like a dick now and again by pulling out of a junction with the rear wheels screaming, but I sure as hell dont want to look like a dick every time I get in my car due to "the rat look" or matt black paint, cable ties, tyres skipping because the diff is welded etc etc

[lee]

don't think i look a dick in mine dude, mines plain and simple....pretty much the same as the one in ur sig...so if i look a dick then i guess u do to! got adjustables and welded diff thats all...


building a car for fun is sad?

pulling out of junctions spinning on the open road? and those of us who go to propper days on private roads are the dicks?

jeez..... somepeople need to look in the mirror

[DanThe]

those of us who go to propper days on private roads are the dicks?

Like your drift hero who got banned for his 'private road' incident?

[lee]

not my hero....

could of easily been you spinning the wheels up out a junction... wrong time , wrong place simple....

are you a law abidding citizen? never speed etc.... come on.... get a grip.....


welded diffs are only dangerous if u abuse it, i'm aware of mine only if i want to be....

Why go to the expense of a track day for fun..
Weld your diff and get down pod and have a fun day drifting,like many ppl do.......

[fuzzy]

are welded diff legal for road use then?

[lee]

you tell me are they? is yours insured to exactly the spec it is? is the fact your cars missing its head lights make it unroad worthy? who cares ...jeez....


funny as hell ur ripping us drifters yet the banner broad has that hero mikes car is slapped all over it...how many of you watched the drifters at pod and thought " what a wast of time"...

driftings fun for those that wanna do it... bit like owning a mint e30 and joshing off over how good it looks in the garage if thats your thing!

[MJG]

I don't think welded diffs are legal or illegal. Quad bikes have a solid rear axle and are legal? Trikes? Cars with diff locks? Trucks with diff locks?

I'm not lying about my ban btw, exactly 100% the truth and the police agree, they just say because I was on the public highway, regardless of situation, location, speed, lack of anybody around etc, I am guilty of Dangerous Driving due to the vehicle being "obviously dangerous at first glance to an average road user" which it was with wire hanging out. I am no hero because of it and it's embarassing, don't think this is something all drifters get as it's just me being a plonker.

I can see the side of the story that building a car just to slide is stupid, and I'd agree, but a drift car is generally a fast and pretty well handling car which is always fun. If it's a 318i then hey ho you can't have much fun but if you start hanging the arse out it becomes a LOT of fun, and thinking "I wish I had a 325i, they are much nicer" is a thing of the past as you just think "if I can link these two corners that'd be GREAT" and you start pushing yourself harder and harder, and since you are on the track you have the sense of freedom that you don't get by posing in your original MTEC 1 323i or whatever the hell you may have.

As I said anyway, I can appreciate people's views on that, but until you just relax and have a laugh and get involved you won't understand why people don't mind driving shitboxes or why we weld the diff.

[town325i]

I don't think welded diffs are legal or illegal. Quad bikes have a solid rear axle and are legal? Trikes? Cars with diff locks? Trucks with diff locks?.

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the differance is these all left the factory like this with a specialist task in mind. there is soon loon out there with a land rover 90 rwd used for driftin

[lee]

yes mike quads do have locked rear diffs and are road worthy..... so guess they are legal....

[DanThe]

how many of you watched the drifters at pod and thought " what a wast of time"...

Me! First time I went to the pod I watched the drifters, havnt been back to the stands since. Its not only boring but you also get a nice big cloud of carcinogenic smoke to breathe

So when are you extending your rear arches lee? And how many f*cked tyres does your local tip allow you to dump per year....

[town325i]

how many of you watched the drifters at pod and thought " what a wast of time"...

Me! First time I went to the pod I watched the drifters, havnt been back to the stands since. Its not only boring but you also get a nice big cloud of carcinogenic smoke to breathe

So when are you extending your rear arches lee? And how many f*cked tyres does your local tip allow you to dump per year....

the tip dont alloy tyres no more so they will have to be flyed

[DanThe]

Just trying to keep on topic with 'drifters talk'

[lee]

each to there own then dude, maybe you should just stick to what u enjoy and let us do the same.



i'm not mate..... and i have a deal with the local scrap yard for dispposing of the tires! cars stock looking fella... as i said looks the same as the one in your pic....


i like my back as it is so don't want a silly stiff car that can't go on my drive..

if more ppl had a go at drifting a gained more car control it may stop some pricks doing this

[murran]

on the welded diff front theres is not a reason for rejection on the mot side.

also...... the cut springs issue...... if an moter ever fails your cut springs (that do locate well and dont dislocate when jacked up and dropped down again) tell him to get his manual out!!

"Shortened or lowered coil springs

Take care when jacking vehicles with shortened or lowered springs fitted. Provided the spring ends locate correctly when the vehicle is lowered into the normal running position, without assistance this is not a reason for rejection."

[lee]

muran i think they can fail it on incomplete or broken coil!

[papercutout]

are welded diff legal for road use then?

Yes - its the same as having a locked diff, which is what you tell the insurance too, comes under 'transmission changes'. Easy...

a mate of mine has got a nissan 200sx he aint got a welded diff and he can drift it with no problems what so ever even with something like 255 rear tyres

Thats called having a 2way diff or a good LSD, 16+ y/o E30 LSD's tend to be pants, hence the welded diffs as the logical choice for drifters.


This is another good point for fuzzy - as MJG said, you CAN drift on an open diff, but it'll severly restrict you, so why do it? Move onto a 2-way or a welded diff and you'll instantly notice the difference when drifting. Okay, so you have 300bhp, and you can hang the back end out, which is great, and I'm jealous of the engine (when it works). But you can't call the occasional 'whoopsy' from a roundabout an into to drifting.

To sterotype like that just shows igonorance! The guy clearly has a chip on his sholder for whatever reason but to slag of people like that for having a nice E30 and appreciating it for what it is, is just ****!ng uncalled for.
I couldn't give a toss about what drifters do with their welders and scrap but i dont stereotype them all as chav teenagers! Ive only ever commented once about anything drift related and that was about the angle of the driveshafts on MJG's car which even he commented in a further post that they had failed twice.
So because some of us have a nice E30 that makes us a shit driver in comparison to a drifter? If ANY of you think that then you really are deluded.
I personaly have a 325i Sport (YES JOSHY, A ****!NG 325i SPORT!) which is used mainly for shows but i also have another E30 buit for driving pleasure, ie going fast, safely!

He's an opinionated 17 y/o lad who sometimes chats absolute bollocks, and we don't really care, so don't take it personally and just call him an idiot and move on




Tbh, as we all know, its not for everyone, obviously. DWYB days are held at the pod every second wednesday of the month, if anyone's interested in coming for a ride/a quick go, come along, its a fiver to spectate, and if I'm marshalling and have my car, I might let you have a spin, and I'll certainly quite happily take you out, as will lots of the other people there.
If after that you say 'nah, its crap, I don't like it' then fair play, you've got a balanced opinion. Until you actually try it, its very hard to judge, because its the 'woooooo, I linked those corners' and the adrenaline from it thats what great about it, and without trying, you can't experience that.