Thats not a great achievement really, As ive wasted many clio sports in my old E46 320d (150 bhp)bss325i wrote:You dont have to be that good to go fast in a straight line.e36boy wrote:Must have been a shit driver in the Type R.bss325i wrote:You lot must have slow 325i's!
I've had a 54 reg civic type R in a half mile straight line drag but only just.
That was in my 325i sport with only a btb six branch and scorpion exhaust.
And while we are on the subject, clio 172's and 182's are fair game for me to.
e30 325i is it quick enough for modern cars
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A mk3 2.8 VR6 is not faster than a 325i sport. This debate has been had many many times with the apprentice at my work and i have proven to him that this is not the case. A VR6 is heavier and only has 3bhp more!e36boy wrote:Its a waste of time having this argument on an e30 forum, Id never win.........Just like if I was saying the opposite on a Honda forum.oakey wrote:Standard 2001 civic typre will do a 1/4mile in 15.2 seconds. IIRC Oz's 2.5 managed a 15.3 at santa pod.
How exactly would it get "wasted"?
Me, I like E30's, Hondas,VW's,Fords etc etc.
Ive seen this argument on another forum but it was a mk3 VR6 V's Type R and most people were saying the type R would win, And as a VR6 is faster than a 325i id also say a Type R is faster than the 325i.
Same goes on the Type R mate, spend a bit of money and you could be seeing 240 bhp !tommtb wrote:i wouldnt be surprised if the type r waas a bit faster im not saying it isnt....
BUT if you got an E30 and spent the difference you would destroy a type r of any age?
and look infinately better too
Im bored of whoring on this thread now so thats the last im typing.
Probably 1.2 extremes with a "sport" badge. This is quite common. A 182 is quicker than an e46 320d and yes i've driven numerous examples of both.e36boy wrote:Thats not a great achievement really, As ive wasted many clio sports in my old E46 320d (150 bhp)bss325i wrote:You dont have to be that good to go fast in a straight line.e36boy wrote: Must have been a shit driver in the Type R.
And while we are on the subject, clio 172's and 182's are fair game for me to.
i had a bit of a B road blast with my mate last night he was in my old 309gti with a 16v engine on twin webber carbs, needless to say it blew my 325 away in a straight line and round the bends
but theyre both awesome cars with buckets of individuality and the 2 most fun cars ive ever been in
both half the price of a type r too...
life isnt a race at the end of the day...why not compare a 325 to similar cars of ITS age, that surely makes more sense?
then get an impreza to shut a type r up
but theyre both awesome cars with buckets of individuality and the 2 most fun cars ive ever been in
both half the price of a type r too...
life isnt a race at the end of the day...why not compare a 325 to similar cars of ITS age, that surely makes more sense?
then get an impreza to shut a type r up
OK OK I give in.......The BMW 325i is the fastest car in the world and will beat anything that gets in its way.bss325i wrote:A mk3 2.8 VR6 is not faster than a 325i sport. This debate has been had many many times with the apprentice at my work and i have proven to him that this is not the case. A VR6 is heavier and only has 3bhp more!e36boy wrote:Its a waste of time having this argument on an e30 forum, Id never win.........Just like if I was saying the opposite on a Honda forum.oakey wrote:Standard 2001 civic typre will do a 1/4mile in 15.2 seconds. IIRC Oz's 2.5 managed a 15.3 at santa pod.
How exactly would it get "wasted"?
Me, I like E30's, Hondas,VW's,Fords etc etc.
Ive seen this argument on another forum but it was a mk3 VR6 V's Type R and most people were saying the type R would win, And as a VR6 is faster than a 325i id also say a Type R is faster than the 325i.
Far from it and thats why i bought the S50 but the cars that you are saying would waste a 325i wont. They are all close but not vastly quicker like you say.e36boy wrote:OK OK I give in.......The BMW 325i is the fastest car in the world and will beat anything that gets in its way.bss325i wrote:A mk3 2.8 VR6 is not faster than a 325i sport. This debate has been had many many times with the apprentice at my work and i have proven to him that this is not the case. A VR6 is heavier and only has 3bhp more!e36boy wrote: Its a waste of time having this argument on an e30 forum, Id never win.........Just like if I was saying the opposite on a Honda forum.
Me, I like E30's, Hondas,VW's,Fords etc etc.
Ive seen this argument on another forum but it was a mk3 VR6 V's Type R and most people were saying the type R would win, And as a VR6 is faster than a 325i id also say a Type R is faster than the 325i.
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a 325i is not quick by modern standards - so there's the answer to the original question
but there is much more of a thrill driving a 325i especially with an LSD than a civic type r
after a while it gets boring hearing the vtec and bouncing of the limiter, even though it is very nice, the thrill doesn't last
a 325i is a very interesting car in many different ways, for me it is not all about straight lines or even corners - if I wanted straight lines I would get an evo
, the main thing for me is about how you go round the corners (sideways 
) and how you get to 60 or whatever
but there is much more of a thrill driving a 325i especially with an LSD than a civic type r
after a while it gets boring hearing the vtec and bouncing of the limiter, even though it is very nice, the thrill doesn't last
a 325i is a very interesting car in many different ways, for me it is not all about straight lines or even corners - if I wanted straight lines I would get an evo
, the main thing for me is about how you go round the corners (sideways ) and how you get to 60 or whatever
My first car was a 2.0 pinto'd capri on twin 40's, i got rid of that because i wanted more power. I bought an RS Turbo, mint it was, and then after about 3 months of nigh on 200bhp and chattering turbo i was bored stiff, then i bought the E30 
in my 325i SE (the black one below) not only did i rinse an mr2, turbo megane, e36 328 and a volvo t5 (with horrible yellow and blue graphics and wierd gay blue flashing lights on the roof lol) i'd like to see anything drift better aswell. p.s. also the 325i was pretty standard (short shift, cams, lightened balanced flywheel and racing clutch and stripped out rear end)... i'm pretty sure its the driver not the car. cause that mr2 turbo should of had me... and the volvo 
also... i'm a big lover of the ever-famous RS500 Sierra... even though the typical Ford (Found On Road-Side Dead/Fix Or Repair Daily) and all the other crap i've heard... i still love em... but still prefer the driving experiance in a nice 325 e30.
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the e36 328 should have had you as well!AF5387 wrote:in my 325i SE (the black one below) not only did i rinse an mr2, turbo megane, e36 328 and a volvo t5 (with horrible yellow and blue graphics and wierd gay blue flashing lights on the roof lol) i'd like to see anything drift better aswell. p.s. also the 325i was pretty standard (short shift, cams, lightened balanced flywheel and racing clutch and stripped out rear end)... i'm pretty sure its the driver not the car. cause that mr2 turbo should of had me... and the volvo
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at the end of the day front wheel drive sucks, all these suped up civics, integras, rs turbos ect are shite, all that power going to the front wheels makes for some of the worst driving experiances i've ever had.
the e30 may not be the fastest car on the road, so what, it would be my choice over anything FWD.
RWD, the way proper cars are powered.
the e30 may not be the fastest car on the road, so what, it would be my choice over anything FWD.
RWD, the way proper cars are powered.
My better half has a 325 & in my personal opinion id prefer that over majority of new cars.. they have alot of power yes maybe but as long as you enjoy driving an e30 does speed really matter? i mean its nice to have a bit of speed their but you have to remember most people with jap have the power there but will hardly ever use it, as for starters unless you go on a track most people dont want the speeding tickets or fines, therefore wont race around the streets.. second reason is the cost & maintanance of new cars.. as if they dont cost enough to buy the car if they dont have a warranty then ouch on the wallet side of things 
i'd definatly say stay with the old school cars.. they have more than enough power for what you'll need on the streets & if you want something speed wise to impress why not have a stripped out 16valver clio or something like that thats fairly cheap to modify & doesnt look "boy racer".. a good friend of mine has one & does the quater mile at Santa Pod in 12.5 so if you just want to do track days that wouldnt be a bad idea 
just a suggestion
i'd definatly say stay with the old school cars.. they have more than enough power for what you'll need on the streets & if you want something speed wise to impress why not have a stripped out 16valver clio or something like that thats fairly cheap to modify & doesnt look "boy racer".. a good friend of mine has one & does the quater mile at Santa Pod in 12.5 so if you just want to do track days that wouldnt be a bad idea just a suggestion~If You Dont Have Speed & Looks You Have Nothing~
yep their slow
yep their fun!
def not the car for bar room HP talks or internet cock racing!
that's why I got a turbo one!
yep their fun!
def not the car for bar room HP talks or internet cock racing!
that's why I got a turbo one!
Oh for fuck sake, please dont insult me by saying that ! I dont see why what you say always has to be right, I mean you own a fucking old e30 325i sport, The way you go on anyone would think its the best car in the world...........It can beat anythingbss325i wrote:Probably 1.2 extremes with a "sport" badge. This is quite common. A 182 is quicker than an e46 320d and yes i've driven numerous examples of both.e36boy wrote:Thats not a great achievement really, As ive wasted many clio sports in my old E46 320d (150 bhp)bss325i wrote: You dont have to be that good to go fast in a straight line.
And while we are on the subject, clio 172's and 182's are fair game for me to.
Ive eaten 172's and Focus St 170's in the 320d compact from a standing start and I beat a Seat leon cupra R on the Motorway......After which the guy In the Seat asked me at the lights at the end the Motorway if it was only a 320d coz he thought it was something quicker.
Civic Type R's have 197 bhp and 0-60 mph in around 6.7 secs and The 325i Sport has 171 bhp and a 0-60 mph in around 8.3 secs (figures from when the Sports were new)......So less now.
You say that a 182 clio is faster than a 320d........Well IM TELLING YOU that a Civic Type R IS FASTER than an e30 325i Sport.
Everybody knows how much fun and a great drive the Type R is and how much of a great car they are (Apart from the e30 tinted specs brigade on here of course).
I go on other forums for other makes of car and they have respect for E30's and people who I know drive other makes have a respect for them aswell. Its a pity about the snobbery on here and peoples views on other cars which are superior to the e30.
Ive had an e30 and driven a few more, Ive grown up around BMW's and between my Mum and Dad theyve had about 27 BMW's including E28's, E30's, E34's, E36's, E39's, E46's and an E90..........Ive owned 3 BMW's myself and theyre gret cars but so are VW's, Hondas etc.
Ive done The E30 thing now and I'll try other cars coz its abit borin just staying with the same badge all the time and not experiencing other cars.
To me a 325i can not be considered fast and likewise the same applys to a civic type R.
My 325i does feel very quick thou,as do most "hot hatches".
If someone wants to go fast(with a standard car) they will have to look elsewhere.
Everyone has different opinions on the word "fast"and even when you have something you consider to be fast,you just get bored after a while !
A good civic type R is great for the twisties thou.
On the other hand,if it is cold figures that turn you on, a 325i has more torque
My ideal car would be a 325i sport that handled like a clio Williams.............but i'm gonna keep mine standard because i'm a sad ass !
My 325i does feel very quick thou,as do most "hot hatches".
If someone wants to go fast(with a standard car) they will have to look elsewhere.
Everyone has different opinions on the word "fast"and even when you have something you consider to be fast,you just get bored after a while !
A good civic type R is great for the twisties thou.
On the other hand,if it is cold figures that turn you on, a 325i has more torque
My ideal car would be a 325i sport that handled like a clio Williams.............but i'm gonna keep mine standard because i'm a sad ass !
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the main thing I also forgot to mention is the respect people have for the e30
a lot of my mates have civic vti's, evos, scoobys etc but when we all meet up most of the attention was on my car
evo's, scoobys, type rs, cupra r's are all common around here, the e30 is also very common however they attract far more attention from what I have seen
people with souped up civic vtis, etc used to ask me how much my car cost, even though it was only a fraction of what their cars cost them they still prefer my car over theirs
a lot of my mates have civic vti's, evos, scoobys etc but when we all meet up most of the attention was on my car
evo's, scoobys, type rs, cupra r's are all common around here, the e30 is also very common however they attract far more attention from what I have seen
people with souped up civic vtis, etc used to ask me how much my car cost, even though it was only a fraction of what their cars cost them they still prefer my car over theirs
The author of the thread wanted to know if a 325i is faster than a type R........Because I dared to go against the beloved E30 and have an opinion of my own and like another car I offened the E30 cloth cap brigade.darkchild wrote:What a pathetic, depressing thread. I've got an E30 320i, E36 316i and an E36 328i Touring and I really couldn't give a toss if I'm overtaken by a Civic, Golf GTi or a Ford Ka.
what everyones forgetting is that my 318i WITH slush box, will beat EVERYTHING on the road... BUT BE WARNED no one best test me on that, else you will end up being embarassed.......
its ok, ill see myself out
its ok, ill see myself out
My old mk3 fiesta 1.1 would beat your 318irobbo86 wrote:what everyones forgetting is that my 318i WITH slush box, will beat EVERYTHING on the road... BUT BE WARNED no one best test me on that, else you will end up being embarassed.......
its ok, ill see myself out
And my 320 slush-mobile will beat both of 'em so therecsl wrote:Are you sure? a mk3 1.1 only has 62bhp where as a 318 has...........................only jokingMy old mk3 fiesta 1.1 would beat your 318i
Really tho', does this matter? There's no point in comparing technology that's over 20 years old with modern so why bother? Driven briskly, most E30's seem quick and satisfying with plenty of driver feedback, which is the reason for keeping them on the road for many of us. I suspect that more than a few on here have better things to do than spend their time and money looking Type Rs and the like to eye-up and take on. Let them race past, let them show you a clean set of wheels as they hurtle past cameras. Then enjoy the possibility that they may already have 9 points and the flash signals another 3
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Would get wasted in a straight line or on track/road with bends by a type Re36boy wrote:2.5 straight 6, with a slipp diff.Need i say more.
[/quote]thats why my relatively low powered 2.7 e30 will sit on their arses all day and happily keep up on a winding lane.. dont talk jibber jabba. I prefer an e30 to a civic type r.. and so did the civic driver when we swopped cars while out on a drive
Bollocks to this 24v scrap!
I dont think 325i's are the fastest cars in the world, far from it. The S50 touring satisfies my desire for speed now. Most 325i's are claped out with huge mileage barely making 160 bhp. Mine is sub 50k and in fine health making dyno proven factroy 171 bhp and a bit more tourque than standard. I have pitted it againt various cars and i'm just giving my feedback on the resuts, not willy waving.e36boy wrote:Oh for **** sake, please dont insult me by saying that ! I dont see why what you say always has to be right, I mean you own a ******* old e30 325i sport, The way you go on anyone would think its the best car in the world...........It can beat anythingbss325i wrote:Probably 1.2 extremes with a "sport" badge. This is quite common. A 182 is quicker than an e46 320d and yes i've driven numerous examples of both.e36boy wrote: Thats not a great achievement really, As ive wasted many clio sports in my old E46 320d (150 bhp)
Ive eaten 172's and Focus St 170's in the 320d compact from a standing start and I beat a Seat leon cupra R on the Motorway......After which the guy In the Seat asked me at the lights at the end the Motorway if it was only a 320d coz he thought it was something quicker.
Civic Type R's have 197 bhp and 0-60 mph in around 6.7 secs and The 325i Sport has 171 bhp and a 0-60 mph in around 8.3 secs (figures from when the Sports were new)......So less now.
You say that a 182 clio is faster than a 320d........Well IM TELLING YOU that a Civic Type R IS FASTER than an e30 325i Sport.
Everybody knows how much fun and a great drive the Type R is and how much of a great car they are (Apart from the e30 tinted specs brigade on here of course).
I go on other forums for other makes of car and they have respect for E30's and people who I know drive other makes have a respect for them aswell. Its a pity about the snobbery on here and peoples views on other cars which are superior to the e30.
Ive had an e30 and driven a few more, Ive grown up around BMW's and between my Mum and Dad theyve had about 27 BMW's including E28's, E30's, E34's, E36's, E39's, E46's and an E90..........Ive owned 3 BMW's myself and theyre gret cars but so are VW's, Hondas etc.
Ive done The E30 thing now and I'll try other cars coz its abit borin just staying with the same badge all the time and not experiencing other cars.
ST170's are slow for what they are and have something stupid like 168bhp and about 130 lbft tourque.
The is no snobbery in owning a 20 year old BMW and i certainly dont have E30 rose tinted specs when it comes to them.
You have had 1 E30 only so that isn't enough to base a judgemet for all of them. Are you just bitter that you had what appeared to be a nice sport but sold it to cheap and are now watching the prices of them rise? You about to buy a civic which accroding to you is the be all and end all only for it to depriciate.
Everybody know how much fun a type R is to drive you say? Not everybody.
I've only just started doing the "E30 thing" in recent times and to be fair i'm enjoying it..... for now.
All my judgements are unbiased and are gained from my 10+ years in the motortrade working for various companys in service and bodyshop envrioments. Not only have i gained experience on how various cars are put together (which is why i would never own jap or french) and their inherant problems, i have also gained a wealth of knollege on how they perform.
And you can TELL ME all you want but pretty much all what i say IS right.
Just to reitterate, i never once said all 325i's were faster than civic type R's, i just said mine was.