Put the kettle on

[Gibson]

Trust Fuzzy to lower the tone! coming here with his ford related deviancy and tendancy for non Bmw parts... He doesnt even have Schnitzer wheels! maybe we should BAN him!

[murran]

a formula 1 race or a bdc round.......... i know what id rather watch!
and i cant afford a formula 1 car........
i like trackdays but you get black flagged for drifting. plus i just drive round the track faster and faster and faster until i fly off the track!! which sort of damages your car/self. plus i feel ive done the trackday thing in my mk2 golf gti and the mk1 elise we used to do days with at work.
yes i crashed the elise!! (well buried in a gravel trap at mallory park.)
purposefully being out of control (sort of) drifting is more exciting to me. and doing it cheaply is even better. just like riding that edge of being sideways in a car.
i never intend to do it in a professional sence, and yes ill probably get bored of it at some point in the future.......
but then ill sell both my bmws and buy a bob tailed lpg converted v8 range rover and join some sort of 4x4 site!!!!!

thats my stand on it and i really dont have an opinion.

[StuBeeDoo]

i dont even have an opinion.

Don't be so soft! Opinions are like arseholes - everyone's got one.

[fuzzy]

but i do have fake alpinas and have a tendency to hog the outside lane. thats REAL bmw. doesnt that go in my favour?

[StuBeeDoo]

but i do have black fake alpinas and have a tendency to hog the outside lane. thats REAL bmw. doesnt that go in my favour?

[tailoutcharlie]

Horses for courses me thinks. IN general drifting does not interest me, especially seeing a tired 4dr e30 bouncing off the limiter being thrown around some cones at the pod for example, but the proper races where they go heads up demands some skill

this may upset you then...

MJG from Trampdrift, and on here I believe, used his 'e30 shitter' to beat all the big budget boys in the recent BDC round 2. Proving that driving skill goes farther that money, he also managed it without 2nd or 4th gear.

If your minds open enough to new ideas heres the article
http://www.trampdrift.com/html/modules. ... =0&thold=0

[Andyboy]

Drifters are guys like Julian Smith (Smithy) and Ben Broke Smith, serious driving heroes. I'd like to see any of the cut springs crew pull a 100mph drift in the wet on a straight section of the A1 like Smithy could.
Ben can drift the whole of Lydden Hill (corners of course) in an E32 735i. Both Smithy and Davenotouring on here can drift the entire Nurburgring, linking corners with some straight line speed.

Doing wheelspins in matt black shitters on an airfield isn't quite the same.

But if that's what you like, great. I'd rather go to Germany three times (Hockenhein, Nurburgring and Oscherscleben) and see the real drift heroes do something spectacularly good - as in fact I have done. Anyone else been abroad three times to watch proper drifting?

[tailoutcharlie]

If you read the article, you'll see it is on a track with linked corners in very close proximity to another car doing the same, I dont care which way you view it, that takes balls and no small amount of skill.

but hey, thats just my opinion

[papercutout]

Drifters are guys like Julian Smith (Smithy) and Ben Broke Smith, serious driving heroes. I'd like to see any of the cut springs crew pull a 100mph drift in the wet on a straight section of the A1 like Smithy could.
Ben can drift the whole of Lydden Hill (corners of course) in an E32 735i. Both Smithy and Davenotouring on here can drift the entire Nurburgring, linking corners with some straight line speed.

How do you think they got that good? Was it magic? Did they acquire the skill matrix style? Or were they born with it?

Possible, but I doubt it Practise, and seat time. Thats all most drifters want, seat time. Apart from the scene guys, but they're just gay

[oldroydsr4]

From my experience, the only people who don't like drifting are the ones who can't do it, the ones that are to scared to have a go or the ones who have scared them selves having ago.

I have 10 years of racing experience and personally the first time i successfully linked a selection of corners felt a good as winning a race. It gives me a buzz that no trackday ever has (bar the ring)

Also IMO drifting is here to stay, it is now big buisness across europe, the states and australia.

If people are having fun and not harming any body who cares?

[fuzzy]

How do you think they got that good? Was it magic? Did they acquire the skill matrix style? Or were they born with it?

Possible, but I doubt it Practise, and seat time. Thats all most drifters want, seat time. Apart from the scene guys, but they're just gay

good point well made but its still gay and you really should find a more socially acceptable and productive hobby to pass your time.
believe it or not i do like to 4rse around in my car myself now and again and i enjoy the odd controlled 4rse out moment but not of the man love kind
its a fun way to spend some time ,im competant at it ,made easier with a well balanced car and nearly 300bhp driving the rear wheels,and its a good way to master some car control skills that will come in useful in real life some day but as i said previously i just like to preserve the balance and keep it in perspective against those on the other side of the debate that like to think and tell us mere mortals that its some sort of rare skill passed down through generations of a secretive sect of tibetan monks

[Joshy]

good point well made but its still gay and you really should find a more socially acceptable and productive hobby to pass your time.

So drifting on a dedicated piece of private land is considered not to be socially acceptable and productive, where as having a "Arse out moment" on the public roads is?

Do you mind explaining to me how the fook that works?

[steerfromtherear]

Drifters are guys like Julian Smith (Smithy) and Ben Broke Smith, serious driving heroes. I'd like to see any of the cut springs crew pull a 100mph drift in the wet on a straight section of the A1 like Smithy could.
Ben can drift the whole of Lydden Hill (corners of course) in an E32 735i.

Doing wheelspins in matt black shitters on an airfield isn't quite the same.

Ive got a vid on my laptop of Ben driving a matt black shitter on an Airfield from a few years ago, Im sure there is a vid of him on youtube still skidding a ratty e28 525i around birmingham wheels from years ago too. Everyone starts somewhere even the best of the best.

Think of the hundreds, possibily thousands, of people that do track days every year, 99.5% of them arent gonna be winning BTCC next year, half of them are probably rubbish (I know I am lol) but you dont see the same bad press about that?

As for the cut spring brigade, again where do you think Ben and Julian started? Mike Gaynor recently won his 1st ever pro level British drift championship competition in a e30 with very short cut springs and a generally home made by a blind man look about it. That win in turn got him a wildcard entry into the European Drift championship where he qulaified 1st against the best that the UK has to offer showing the fastest entry speeds at Knockhill at over 90mph.

As for the 7er round Lydd, Im not argueing with Bens driving skills but you'd be surprised how awesome e32 735s are for drifting.

[Benho]

i think drifting is much like drag racing, people love it even though its basically the same thing. i can see where people come from on both sides but with drifting i think its more about the skill involved with drifting a course. for example, drifting a tight cause at high speeds etc.

i think its chavy when people do roundabouts all the time (not tarnishing anyones image here).

but yeah, i think its about the speed and the tightness of a track which is why people love it so much. bit like motorsport world from gran turismo 2 really

[MartC]

The UK although far better than I can achive is just not pollished enough to make it a spectator sport IMO.

I saw a couple of Jap pro's at GT Battle a few years ago and its a different league. Their car placement while drifting is something else, we're talking inch perfect while coming down off a banked track into the infield

[oldroydsr4]

^^^
they probably are, however you must remember that drifting is still in its infancy in the uk and the japs have been mastering drifting for decades.

[Gibson]

^^^
they probably are, however you must remember that drifting is still in its infancy in the uk and the japs have been mastering drifting for decades.

Go and watch some 60s saloon car racing with Lotus Cortina and then tell me we didnt invent drifting as a way of getting round corners whilst still carrying stupid revs and speed!

[murran]

^^^
they probably are, however you must remember that drifting is still in its infancy in the uk and the japs have been mastering drifting for decades.

Go and watch some 60s saloon car racing with Lotus Cortina and then tell me we didnt invent drifting as a way of getting round corners whilst still carrying stupid revs and speed!

^^^ but in the 60s they werent drifting for drifting sake, it was just found to be the best/fastest way of getting an old lotus cortina round a corner.

i really dont see the point of drag racing any idiot can accelarate down a straight road, did 3 runs at the pod in my scirocco few years back then i was bored.......... you dont see me saying drag racing is rubbish, cus people like it.

[fuzzy]

well done , thats very PC of you but if you dont like it then say its rubbish , i wont be offended just because you dont like something i do...
weve turned into a nation of soft pussyfooters who are afraid to give their opinions in case it upsets someone .
although if you try some strip action in a performance car it makes the difference.

[ROC]

Ultimately all forms of Motorsport are pointless really, just enjoy whatever you're into before the environment loving loonies get it banned

[MJG]

Yeah this thread is great, some people actually have some basis to their opinions.

I drift competitively, but that doesn't mean I take it seriously, I love drifting because I have fun doing it and no way do I expect people to kiss my ass about it. I think it's a problem with the perception of the community rather than drifting itself. Drifting has SHIT LOADS of nobby enthusiasts or people who think they are amaaaazing because they can hoop a roundabout, people like me hate people like them probably more than you would, Fuzzy.

Just see drifting for what it is, a great fun time for people who all generally get along with eachother and help eachother out, and it doesn't hurt anyone, nor is it anti-social, as it's done on tracks.

As for Julian Smith and Bon Bon, I was competing against Bon at the EDC and he's been a mate for a few years now, all he wanted to do there was twin drift against me as we have such a similar driving style, but I got knocked out when twinning against Tim Marshall in his v8 skyline. My car is ghetto as fuck and runs cut springs, total cost is sub £1700 for the car and getting competition spec, but I qualified 1st in the EDC which is THE top drift event in Europe (so they say). I'll have less of the snobbery.

I agree, people like Bon and Julian do show "real drifting", and people in matt black e30s doing an airfield drift day are not at that level, but as has been said does that make them less of a drifter? Does that mean they are not allowed to say they drift? I'm sure people who aren't great at racing, and do some basic Kumho cup or similar would still say they are technically a race driver at the weekends? Should we slate them for it, tell them it's not "real racing" because Michael Schumacher would kick their ass? lol.

I love drifting and I just think people shouldn't get wound up because they THINK it's easy, or because they think it's boring. I like watching drifting a bit less than I like playing xbox, but I like actually drifting more than anything. I'd love racing too but it's all too serious and too expensive so drifting is cheaper and more accessible.

One more thing, people who say "oh I can hang the arse out well, control my car, and slide around a course, so I'm not impressed" are just being blind if they can't see the difference between that and actual competitive drifting. It's like saying "I can drive around a track without crashing, so I'm not impressed by BTCC drivers" lol!

I'm treading over trodden ground but had to have my 2p as I think people who may well enjoy watching an event, or may well enjoy doing a drift day, are being put off by their wrong perception of the sport and the community.

[fuzzy]

Ultimately all forms of Motorsport are pointless really, just enjoy whatever you're into before the environment loving loonies get it banned

for sure, if you look at everything objectively everythings pointless really including life itself so just do what pleases you in your short time on this planet, as long as it doesnt harm anyone else, speak your mind freely and dont get so upset and wound up by others critisism. simple.

[Gibson]

Surely Drag Racing is more a technical exercise than a driving one. seeing how much power you can squeeze out of an engine for 10 seconds. Drag Racing is all about the Cars and builders. not the drivers.

[fuzzy]

Surely Drag Racing is more a technical exercise than a driving one. seeing how much power you can squeeze out of an engine for 10 seconds. Drag Racing is all about the Cars and builders. not the drivers.

my comment about drag refered to the timing on the 1/4 mile strips on performance tuned cars for joe public to compete for best times or compare performance mods and their gains not to proper drag racing. that i agree is a pointless 9 seconds as a driver. sit there and try not to hit the barrier before it blows up
the only motorsport that i usually watch is the btcc or less occasionally wrc. f1 is usually a boring procession although its improved slightly recently.
im sure most of you "drifters" have realised that the majority of my comments are tongue in cheek and i dont really wish you any ill harm in real life. its usually the ned/chav element to any sport or passtime that people tend to refer to ,tarring all with the same brush.

[Sanchez]

this one deserves a medal

[e30bmlover]

this one deserves a medal

what a stupid @unt lol.... medal indeed!!! for the biggest cock going!

[Sanchez]

i wonder what he told his misses.

[fuzzy]

this one deserves a medal

[MJG]

Yeah I realise you are not plotting the demise of drifting, and agree that the chav/asshole element is incredibly annoying, but don't come across as a cock to those of us who have a genuine humble interest

[dimebag_from_hell]

Bet the neighbours love this guy!

i dont like to see the cars being treated like that

Treated like this?

[oldroydsr4]

^^
that is just crap, any goon can do donuts.

[fuzzy]

that is just crap, any goon can drift.

thats what ive been saying all along

[oldroydsr4]

Joker

[fuzzy]

someones got to have sense of humour. its something that seems to lack in the drift world. maybe it was a trade off, god gave you a devine car control skill but removed the sense of humour to balance things up?

[Ozstar]

Haha at this thread. Everyone saying pro's are ok beginners are twats are a bit stupid. Mr smith had a e30 previous, and ben broke smith has had various bmw's e28's e36's. We all have to start somewhere. As for the japs being amazing and every other person being shit is just plain erm INCORRECT. I have just returned from the European Drift Championship where and ENGLISH driver beat a top JAPENESE driver(kumakubo) ex D1 champion.

Everyones entitled to there opinion though