snoops (Hopefully being resolved)

[hongkongfuey]

i bought some wheels and tires from you snoops, the ad said slight curbing around edge, hence price, that was ok, when i spoke to you, you said 2 tires good and 2 tires were worn on inner edge.

that would have been ok, but....
1st, one tire had a large hole in it and would hold no air
2nd, the other had a split in the centre of the tred
3rd, both of the tires' inner sidwalls were split and seperating from the tire which the tire fitter who i know personally said, they could have caused a fatal accident.

so before i tryed to put them on it cost me 2 new tires which doubled the price which was not the idea of buying cheap wheels, and the money i spent i could have bought better wheels.
then the longer wheel bolts needed to put the wheels on were not with the wheels , so i couldn't put them on.

i fitted the wheels on tuesday and only drove on town roads, and on wednesday on the motor way on the way home, i noticed a shake from the steering wheel, as i went upto 70 it got worse.
i took the wheels back to the tire fitters and they showed me that the wheels are not straight (one worse than the other) and cannot be balanced properly.

so i can't and won't drive my car with these wheels on as they will eventually damage my car.

this means your discription of the wheels and tires was grossly incorrect and inacurate

i am selling my original wheels to someone , which means i will not have any wheels on my car and £200 out of pocket and a set of wheels that i can't ues. the person i am selling my wheels to would not be happy if i pull out of the sale now and also he has payed me a deposit. i do not want to let another zoner down

i would like to know what you intend to do to rectify this situation???

can you get back to me asap please, as i'm sure you can see this needs to be resolved quickly

[SPADGE]

I thought snoops's mum had 'saved the day'

[hongkongfuey]

that was getting me the parts , her actions were good , (it was not her stuff and she was not selling)

[snoops]

Hi mate, which tyres do you say had a hole, split in the tread and inner sidewalls split? front or rear?

I did not know of any hole in any tyre as they held air perfectly when they were on my dad's car, the car has not been driven since then. On visual inspection the tyres seemed perfectly fine and were driven for atleast 5000 miles with no problems whatsoever

[hongkongfuey]

the tires were the ones which had the worn inner tread, the dirtier wheels. i have witnesses to this fact as my girlfriend took delivery of the wheels, she saw the flat one straight away as the wheels were not packed properly as discused, also my mate saw the side walls before me as he unpacked the remaining wheels at his house, as i said then took them to the tire place where they said they were dangerous .

but that is not only the problem if i knew i needed to replace 2 tires i would not have bought the wheels.

you did not mention that the same two wheels are not straight, i would never had or never would intentionally buy wheels that are not straight or damaged in a way that they can't be used.

i can get a report from the tire place that the wheels are not straight if needs be

please respond asap

[snoops]

I did say in the original ad that the rears looked good as they have a good amount of tread, I never commented on the front ones simply because they weren't inspected closely enough.

You can't expect to have 4 17 "wheels with 4 good tyres for £80 as the tyres cost more than that alone especially when there wasn't a comment on the front tyres. I'll give you an example, when someone sells a car and they say T&T do you automatically expect it to have 12 months T&T? No, simply because the owner doesn't want to advertise the fact that it may have low T&T, or in my case I didn't want to emphasize on the tyre condition hence no comment on the fronts simply because the condition of them was unknown

I too wouldn't use a car with damaged wheels, as I say they went round perfectly when they were being used and there was no vibration to suggest that the wheels were bent, I do not know how bad the vibration you describe is, but are you sure it is not because you are using spigot rings and spacers?

[hongkongfuey]

i am a fully quallified mechanic (bmw trained), i have worked on bmw's for 20 years.

i did not have any vibration from my car till i put on the wheels i bought from you,

there is no issue as for the spiggot/spacers as they were put on with the wheels on tuesday.

there is an issue of two wheels which are bent and can back this up with a report from the tire fitters

i say again i would like to know what you intend to do to rectify this situation???

[hongkongfuey]

i say again i would like to know what you intend to do to rectify this situation???

[Gortour]

Is this matter going to be resolved or not guys? Would like to sort this out asap and restore good feedback if possible.

[HartgeH27]

A response would be good Snoops..............................................

Surely this can be resolved ?

[snoops]

i say again i would like to know what you intend to do to rectify this situation???

What do you expect me to do?

You paid £80 for a set of ALLOY wheels, they were in perfect condition when they left here,

I bent over backwards to look after you, I forked out an extra £15 to post the longer wheel bolts 'Next Day' delivery, fair enough it was a fault on my dads behalf but I still arranged for the wheel bolts to get to you ASAP because you told me your situation about having no wheels which obviously shows you I didn't intend to mess you around and at no point have I been dishonest to you, what more do you want from me? Blood out of stone?

[hongkongfuey]

1st - it was £85
2nd - damaged
3rd - your mum bent over backwards to help me, not you.( didn't hear from you after money was transered, not even thanks) and it was her who stayed in for pickup.
4th - no one elses fault but your own, (you sell something your responsability)
5th - postage was £8.25 not £15 you claim, (i'll put up pics if you want) your mum sorted it .
6th - as of dishonest, you sold wheels which were damaged + tires which were dangerous and unuseable( you omitted that info as you knew people would not buy them otherwise)

7th - if they were so perfect and the tires were all good why sell them for £85 ( no one else would have )

Time has become of the essence, however this this issue needs to be resolved.



The wheels/tires you sold me are not fit for the purpose of use, so if this cannot be resolved (to a satisfactory arrangement) i will be taking legal action via the ( HMCS EX301 ) claims court , to reimburse all of the cost to myself + costs.

i would say a good will gesture by yourself would be the money i have spent on the two new tires ie £100, or the full anount of £200 which these wheels have cost me and you take them back

if this is not resloved by friday 23rd may 2008, i will start the court procedings.

[snoops]

1st - it was £85,

they were advertised for £80 so why pay £85? I'm not entirely sure of the amount you sent as I haven't checked my bank

2nd - damaged

perfectly fine when they left here

3rd - your mum bent over backwards to help me, not you.( didn't hear from you after money was transered, not even thanks) and it was her who stayed in for pickup.

yep because throughout this transaction and to this date I myself have not been home hence the brief description of the wheels, but I know they weren't damaged

4th - no one elses fault but your own, (you sell something your responsability)

5th - postage was £8.25 not £15 you claim, (i'll put up pics if you want) your mum sorted it .

6th - as of dishonest, you sold wheels which were damaged + tires which were dangerous and unuseable( you omitted that info as you knew people would not buy them otherwise)

that information re: the tyres was omitted because I myself was unable to inspect the tyres hence not mentioning them in the advert

7th - if they were so perfect and the tires were all good why sell them for £85 ( no one else would have )

why wouldn't someone sell wheels for that price? theres a set of BK alpina replicas for ale for £100 which have a much higher demand than these

the visual condition of the wheels was not perfect (kerbing/bubbling) but they were not damaged, priced so cheaply as they are multi fitment, 'BK racing' and require spigot rings/spacers (all undesirable features for alloy wheels)

Time has become of the essence, however this this issue needs to be resolved.



The wheels/tires you sold me are not fit for the purpose of use, so if this cannot be resolved (to a satisfactory arrangement) i will be taking legal action via the ( HMCS EX301 ) claims court , to reimburse all of the cost to myself + costs.

i would say a good will gesture by yourself would be the money i have spent on the two new tires ie £100, or the full anount of £200 which these wheels have cost me and you take them back

if this is not resloved by friday 23rd may 2008, i will start the court procedings.

carry on mate, the tyres maybe, but the wheels were definitely not damaged

[bmw-mad]

To be honest guys i would'nt mone if they were £80 just for the wheels. i know snoops and i dont think he would do that intentionally. But i am sure you guys can sort this out.

[fuzzy]

To be honest guys i would'nt mone if they were £80 just for the wheels. i know snoops and i dont think he would do that intentionally. But i am sure you guys can sort this out.

i dont know either parties but £80 or not , if they are buckled or damaged then theyre no use to anyone for any price other than scrap.

[shazE30]

To be honest guys i would'nt mone if they were £80 just for the wheels. i know snoops and i dont think he would do that intentionally. But i am sure you guys can sort this out.

i dont know either parties but £80 or not , if they are buckled or damaged then theyre no use to anyone for any price other than scrap.

Yeh well if he's saying they wernt damaged what can you do sold as seen...Its the risk you take when buying secondhand cheap goods..If the issues that bad snoops i have some 15" wheels with tyres you can give him for free!

[hongkongfuey]

To be honest guys i would'nt mone if they were £80 just for the wheels. i know snoops and i dont think he would do that intentionally. But i am sure you guys can sort this out.

if it was just £80 it would not be as bad, but this has cost me £200.

i dont know either parties but £80 or not , if they are buckled or damaged then theyre no use to anyone for any price other than scrap.

i couldn't even try two wheels cause the tires were f***ed, and when the tires were fitted the tire fitter told me the wheels were not straight, if i could have tried the wheels on before getting the tires that would have saved £80 for two tires.

the visual condition of the wheels was not perfect (kerbing/bubbling), priced so cheaply

that i knew about and accepted

that information re: the tyres was omitted because I myself was unable to inspect the tyres hence not mentioning them in the advert

snoops you told me the condition, you said 2 were good and 2 had ware on inner edges, if you didn't know the condition you should not have told me the condition .

and as i said before if i knew the real condition of the tires i would not have bought them as you well know.

i think it would be fair to say you knew about the tires so would it not be fair to give me the money for the tires,
which were £80

[hongkongfuey]

so you not going to answer then???

[hongkongfuey]

i'll ask the mods , to ban you then if not to put a warning by your name

[Gortour]

This is getting a bit messy now guys.

Out of curiosity, Rob...

1) How were the wheels shipped? Boxed, wrapped?

2) What was the packaging like?

3) What sort of damage are we talking here? Warped? Cracked? The kerbing etc you knew about and accepted.

4) Could the damage have occurred in transit? Could your problem be with the couriers?

Not trying to take sides here, just trying to resolve a situation I know little about apart from what I've read on here.

Snoops sent you the longer wheelbolts,

I forked out an extra £15 to post the longer wheel bolts 'Next Day' delivery, fair enough it was a fault on my dads behalf but I still arranged for the wheel bolts to get to you ASAP because you told me your situation about having no wheels which obviously shows you I didn't intend to mess you around

and claims he only mentioned 2 tyres being good.

I did say in the original ad that the rears looked good as they have a good amount of tread, I never commented on the front ones simply because they weren't inspected closely enough.

...and...

that information re: the tyres was omitted because I myself was unable to inspect the tyres hence not mentioning them in the advert

Again, I'm not trying to take sides, but if the wheelbolts were a genuine error and sent later, and two of the 4 tyres were good enough as Snoops stated, the only issue is the damage to the wheels.
If this COULD be put down to the couriers, maybe you have a claim with them. Again, I don't know what the actual problem is.

I do know you well, and know you wouldn't lie, but is it possible the fault isn't with Snoops? I haven't seen any other bad comments made about him.

Will be away now till Monday eve, and may be back late then, so will read your reply on Tuesday eve.

[dobbie82]

and sorry to interfere but do you have pics of the tyres and wheels? as two people (or 3 or 4 ) can describe the same thing very differently

[Gortour]

Quite, read my comment 3 above yours...

[Steve-E30]

i'll ask the mods , to ban you then if not to put a warning by your name

To be honest im suprised YOU hvent had a warning for the abuse and language in the other thread as the zone is a family place and will not accept personal attacks or foul language .
Pm him or ring him , Even take the wheels back .
I know your pi$$ed mate but there are ways around it than mouthing off over the internet , Have you enquired how much the wheels are worth weighed in out of interest as you may end up in pocket rather than out of pocket if you take the tyres off .
As mentioned in the other thread , Keep the tyres as you will no doubt need some in the future .
Not taking sides but would be nice to see this resolved .

[Gortour]

Sorry, Rob, but you are VERY close to this if the Team Members haven't spoken to you already.
The comments you're making are rather extreme.

Please at least calm the language and the personal comments down, even if you still put your point across.

Your current comments are the sort of thing that got tng and Kos banned.

[1an]

Gordon not being funny but Kos was banned for the same thing of throwing abuse about and he was banned,

i dont want Rob to be banned as he is a good guy but common,

[suchy]

I've stayed out of this as I've known Rob for nearly 30 years and we're mates so don't wanna be seen as taking sides. Yes Rob is angry and yes he has thrown his toys out of his pram and slung some abuse- facts are, I know £80 is cheap and one shouldn't expect the world but I would expect items to match description, which in this case didn't happen. The issue isn't that they were only £80 what do you expect, but they were unuseable. Two tyres were indeed good, but the other 2 missmatching tyres (which were described as just worn on the inner edge) were: one the tyre wall was coming away completely on the inner edge; the other one had a big hole left by a big nail (even had the imprint of the nail head in the rubber) and wouldn't hold any air (which we tried) so we were unable to check them out. They weren't even packed- they arrived in black bin liners!! The long wheel bolts were missing but this was rectified as they were forwarded on after. I think Snoop's Mum had alot to do with helping Rob out and getting things sorted!! Rob then found out the buckled wheel issue having then put new tyres on. The issue is goods described incorrectly and then Snoops twisting the facts and kinda telling untruths to make this seem like Rob being stupid and expecting something for nothing. I'm not taking sides here, I just see a zoner being ripped off by another zoner which is a shame....

[fuzzy]

either way it looks like neither is going to back down so its one thats put down to experience and lessons learned.....

[suchy]

yup unfortuntely so... anyway thought I'd say my piece, I'm gonna go quiet again now

[badboy007]

as everyone has said on this thread not taking any sides but just though id add my opinion as ive dealt with rob before and he was a decent guy to deal with and no messing about,

if snoops mentioned the tyres were worn on the inner edges surely you would have though about replacing them? so in my eyes i wouldnt be too bothered about the tyres but what would piss me off if they were buckled and not being told about them, if it was me personally dealing with this situation id either take the wheels back minus the tyres rob has put on and refund the £80 and resolve the situation as the wheels are clearly no good but end of day thats upto snoops to decide how he wants to settle it and as zoners have said you might just have to put it down to experience and write it off as a loss ... hey shit happens and if it helps ill sort you a deal out on some 15inch bbs alloys cheaper then what i would normaly sell them if that helps you out at all.

p.s scrap rate is very good these days i should expect you will get upto ten pound per alloy if you remove the tyres and weights from them,

[spook]

I would be bloody embarrassed if i sold someone some ropey stuff on here, HONEST

[Jhonno]

Is there a 3rd party able to confirm the wheel wobble now present and the condition of the tyres..?

[Jhonno]

17" BK Racing alloys with 4 stud multi fitment
not sure on offset but they were fitted with 20mm spacers

rear tyres in great nick with about 6mm on each#

fronts are ok with slight wear on insides
white bubbling type marks on the edges with slight kerbing, unnoticeable unless close up hence price

only have pictures of 2 but you will get 4

£150 ono

[snoops]

17" BK Racing alloys with 4 stud multi fitment
not sure on offset but they were fitted with 20mm spacers

rear tyres in great nick with about 6mm on each

fronts are ok with slight wear on insides
white bubbling type marks on the edges with slight kerbing, unnoticeable unless close up hence price

only have pictures of 2 but you will get 4

£150 ono

those tyres were removed and used on my personal alloys, hence the reduction in price

I would be bloody embarrassed if i sold someone some ropey stuff on here, HONEST

so would I, but I know for a fact that they were not 'ropey' when they left here

I have sold many things before on here without any problems, why would I decided to scam someone now? and especially for £80?

[hongkongfuey]

17" BK Racing alloys with 4 stud multi fitment
not sure on offset but they were fitted with 20mm spacers

rear tyres in great nick with about 6mm on each#

fronts are ok with slight wear on insides
white bubbling type marks on the edges with slight kerbing, unnoticeable unless close up hence price

only have pictures of 2 but you will get 4

£150 ono

thats the ad i had but £85

Jhonno Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: Re: E30

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Is there a 3rd party able to confirm the wheel wobble now present and the condition of the tyres..?

yes , 3 people on condition of tires, 4 people about the wheel wobble

[hongkongfuey]

17" BK Racing alloys with 4 stud multi fitment
not sure on offset but they were fitted with 20mm spacers

rear tyres in great nick with about 6mm on each

fronts are ok with slight wear on insides
white bubbling type marks on the edges with slight kerbing, unnoticeable unless close up hence price

only have pictures of 2 but you will get 4

£150 ono

those tyres were removed and used on my personal alloys, hence the reduction in price

I would be bloody embarrassed if i sold someone some ropey stuff on here, HONEST

so would I, but I know for a fact that they were not 'ropey' when they left here

I have sold many things before on here without any problems, why would I decided to scam someone now? and especially for £80?

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to start with if you changed the tires over you would have known what the state of the tires you put back on then .......yes or no?????

so you saying you had no knowledge of the condition really goes out of the window now doesn't it ???

you never mentioned changing the tires in your ad, and when the wheels turned up the tires didn't look changed there was no old weight marks????? and no new ones either.

did i fail to mention that i used to work in a tire fitting place ???

also on closer inspection on the wheels there is marks on the inner edge as if the wheel had be straightened, can you confirm if this is so or not????

what is the truth you either do or don't know the condition???