Jai's S50B32 swap thread... MOT Passed!!!!!!

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Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:53 am

oze30 wrote:Did bmw make a dual speed fan? My aircon fan manages to keep the engine cool at high temp (3/4 down to half) but now I've had to plumb the temp switch into the top of the thermostat and it comes on at a bit over halfway, then off at half.
The factory aircon fan is dual speed. Well strictly speaking, the fan itself is single speed, but they have a resistor in circuit to provide the low speed.

If you only have a single (assuming high) speed, then it's likely your resistor has burnt out (not uncommon) and needs replacing.

Does your fan switch on when you turn the aircon on ? If not, then this also points to the resistor being burnt out.

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Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:56 am

nah.. It worked when it was still plumbed in. Need to get the m30 compressor and pipes fitted and regassed before i test it out again
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Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:58 am

oze30 wrote:nah.. It worked when it was still plumbed in. Need to get the m30 compressor and pipes fitted and regassed before i test it out again
Regardless of the state of the aircon, it should still be a 2 speed fan.
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Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 pm

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Jhonno wrote:i'll have to dig my reciept out but iirc use an e36 m3 guibo as its significantly bigger
I've got the E36 M3 guibo still fitted on the gearbox and it's the same size as the E30 M3 guibo. I'd have thought that the E36 item would be heavier duty but they look the same.

Maybe a look at the ETK would solve it :mad:
ok it must be an M5 one then.. I took a pic of the 2 n the difference was massive, however i think the pic is on my laptop which isnt working atm
I looked at the ETK to check and the E34 M5 (3.6 & 3.8 ), E36 M3 & Evo and the Z3M all use the same guibo/donut, I think its a common upgrade for E30 M3 owners.
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:31 pm

Nearly time for an update.. I've been busy of late.

I've got the servo re-located using Dameon's plates and plans from his posts, an Audi 25mm master cylinder with a MK2 golf reservoir, modded the E30 reservoir cap to take the plunger from the MK2 golf cap (anally retentive or what?), got the brake lines sorted (well still doing that atm) and de-rusted and painted all of the above components.

I have also stripped, treated and painted the front subframe ready for fitting and the Z3 rack.

I've managed to get the S50 onto and engine stand and got the bits to modify it for the E30 engine bay (still need to get the sump bolts and ARP con rod bolts on order though).

Getting there!

I hope to get the engine sat in the engine bay soon then I spose I'd better go get a job to pay for all the odds and sods I'm going to need.

Still to get/do:

Engine wiring (gulp), need all of the covers, pins etc etc.
Z3 steering rack mods, waiting on the steering rack joint.
Cooling system, need the rad and the fan plus an aircon fan wiring loom.
Exhaust, thinking of getting a supersprint E30M3 system to mod to fit the excellent BTB X pipe (which has 2" internal dia pipes too).

As for the running gear, in the short term I'm going to fit the E30 M3 running gear from my everyday driver, then when funds allow fit the Z3M stuff. Means I'll need to get the silver car into MOT'able state apart from running gear then swap in a short space of time so I'm not left without a car. Not the best idea granted!

I shall update this post in the next few days with some photos and more info on everything I've done. YEY!

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Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:22 am

Thought I'd revive an old thread!! :mad:

Today I cleaned up the engine bay in preparation for the S50. You'll also notice the relocated brake servo (which I throughly de-rusted and painted in september and must've gone overboard as the paint has craked!! LAME!). The brake line plumbing has been done from the master cylinder to the ABS. I tried to make it look factory, I will need another clip to hold them all where they go around the strut re-inforcement to finish the job.


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As soon as I can scrounge together the cash for the ARP rod bolts I'll get the engine in here!!

S50 guys: How did you fit your engines/steering coupling/manifold? Did you bolt the (BTB) manifold to the engine first and fit, then fit the steering coupling; fit the engine then manifold then coupling; etc, etc...?

Also: Which of the E30 325i metal supports on the passenger side inner wheel arch area need to be kept? I'm talking the bits that hold the 325i airbox, relays etc. I ask because if they aren;t used for anything I might cut them off now, grind it fluch and give it a coat of lasch silber. I have to repair the odd corrosion spot in there anyway so now is the time. I shan't be moving the ABS and fitting the orginal S50 airbox now. Can't be arsed! I shall make/fit a double skinned cold air wall type affair around an HKS/K&N type filter I think. Try and make it look like an expensive/well made add on rather than factory.

On another note: A friend with an S50B30 powered E36 M3 GT wants to buy my oilpump/sump/pickup off me. This means that when I remove them from the engine to keep them all complete I'll have to remove a big end bearing bolt rather than snap off the oil feed support; correct? What is the torque I'll have to use on the bolt to re-fit?

Does anyone have a workshop manual for the S50 I can have an (electronic) copy of?
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:02 am

I have an e36 service manual, which inc the M3.. It is 100mb tho.. Think that bolt is angle tightened, but not a stretch bolt oddly

I fitted my engine, then manifold then coupling as the manifold doesnt fit with the coupling in place, however with the engine out i'd put the manifold on, then drop it in and put the coupling on after..
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:13 am

ian332isport wrote:20Nm followed by 50 degrees :D

Ian.
Just searched through the M50 developments thread for you..
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Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:01 am

Awwww... Bless. Cheers dude.

Is that cos you know I could be family soon? winkeye
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Wed May 14, 2008 12:50 pm

Well it's nearly been forever… Thought I might do a little update.

Since the last one I have moved the servo over by 57mm, fitted that and the Audi master cylinder, done the under bonnet brake plumbing, re-fitted the front sub-frame, loosely fitted the Z3 steering rack, cleaned the engine bay, got hold of a starter motor and radiator and made a start on the engine mod's. I removed the B32 oil system and sump, fitted the ARP rod bolts, fitted the new oil pump and pick-up, modded the M50 sump to accept the oil return and gave it a clean. I then de-greased the engine and gave myself a small pat on the back for getting off my arse.

Here the servo and piping can be seen:

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The new pipes are kunifer, with std connections. I tried to get it to all look nice and factory, with nice straight pipes. On the bit where it goes around the turret I am going to fit one of the longer clips so they are all nicely in line. A bit sad. It took me ages and gave me really sore thumbs but I managed to bend the original steel line to the drivers side so it goes around the servo, without having to replace it. Thinking about it I should probably just have made up a new one. I was originally going to move the ABS unit like Dameon did so as to use the original air-box; now I think I shall come up with something else. A double skinned aluminium heat shield and an HKS filter possibly.

I am going to remove the 325i support brackets that take the air-box and relays, grind it flush and re-paint the inner wing. I need to get some paint to do a few touch ups in there as it is so it wont be much more work. We want it all shiny shiny spec eh? I think I'll use the left over paint to do the rocker cover and air-box body coloured because I have become a right tart.. LOL

I also re-fit the front sub-frame, all freshly painted in stone-chip. If I were to do it again I'd use Rustoleum paint but the stone-chip was all I had to hand at the time and I'm officially broke as a joke so had better not start mucking around re-painting things now! The ZM steering rack is now loosely bolted in place. I need to fit the high pressure line Ian made up/sold me and get hold of an E36 return line. Are these expensive new? Might as well get one. I'll drop ZimmerBimmer1 a PM or something.

Next my attention turned to getting the engine ready to go into the bay (a big milestone). It has been upside down for an age, and the previous owner didn't seem to be very particular about his engine bay so the whole thing was covered with road grime, oil mist and general gasheyness.

I almost went out and bought some engine cleaning stuff, but I'm broke. Then I remembered something an old boy with a moustache once told me: The best parts/engine cleaner is 20% fairy liquid/80% paraffin mixed thoroughly. Oh my GOD. It worked brilliantly. It turns into a gel that you stipple into the dirt and it just turns into jelly. Very weird but a quick rinse and the engine was IMMACULATE. ALL of the oil and grime came off, even in the complex VANOS casting.

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Nice eh? It got all the gunk off of the wiring too, and out of all the plugs. Something that can be a complete pain in the rectum! I shall be using that stuff again. It seems best on the general oil/dirt found in engine bays and the like. I use it in the sump on the waxy brown deposits you get and it removed it, but slower than just paraffin I think, though it totally emulsified the oil and allowed it to wash away. Leaves the metal feeling totally dry to the touch with no oily deposits. I also used pink fairy liquid so my engine smells like a mix between gunk and petals.

I then fitted the S/A emissions blanking plate:
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Next up was to remove the S50B32 sump and get to work on the internal mods. I removed the sump and was presented with a greeney/bluey/purpley crank. Cool! The engine was immaculate inside. No oil deposits etc, in fact it turns out it's a bastard; ie of unknown parentage! The block is stamped 2000, the head 2001 and the anciliaries match the original cars 1997. I think the guy had a new one on warranty or replaced it after blowing the original bottom end. That's handy, the original car only had 48k on the clock!

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The oil pump and pick-up came off and I couldn't resist a look at the mains as they were un-done anyway…

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They look to be barely run in. Tiny shiny patch, the rest still all satin finish. Bit of a crappy photo.

I then fitted the ARP rod bolts, oil pump and pick-up. I also re-torqued the mains after tracking down a decent angle gauge and lubing the bolts with the ARP moly grease that was left over. I used locktite 243 on the oil pump drive nut but over-torqued it before realising my shitty Clarke wrench doesn't work properly in reverse! LAME.

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I then started on the M50 (E34) sump. It needed the oil return tapping in and a damn good clean. My crappy tap set only had one of those two handle arbors so I tapped a ring ratchet onto the tap. Bit lame but it worked a treat. I then went to re-fit the oil level sensor and found that I had to nudge the return pipe over to allow clearance. Que crappy photo's:

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Right: I can't decide if the windage tray in the sump needs removing! It doesn't seem to hit the crank (though I find it hard to turn the engine over without a BMW tool.. very annoying). What did you S50 guys do? The tray can be seen here for comparison:

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Also: At the top of the next picture, the fuel vapour recirculation thingy can be seen. Can this be removed and the wiring tucked away and plumbing blanked off? Does the ECU have a fit and/or need this in place? If so; what do I connect it to?

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The vacuum pipe for the air re-circ thingy that goes to the exhaust can be removed and blanked at the MAF sensor too right? I am going to tuck the wiring for that behind the VANOS plug covers.

So that's where I am. I have to get the sump â€Ëaproblem' sorted ASAP so I can turn the engine the right way up and get on with bolting it all back together ready to be dropped in. The the real fun can begin.. The electrics (Ian, expect an email or tow and perhaps a stressed out phone call when that happens —a if that's OK? Lol).

Input much apprieciated guys…

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Wed May 14, 2008 1:19 pm

Tray had to come out of mine.. i think :mad:
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Wed May 14, 2008 1:23 pm

That cleaner is awesome btw.. Have to get at mine with it

Thinking about it.. Mine never had a windage tray in it, but im pretty sure other had to remove
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Wed May 14, 2008 6:33 pm

i didn't have to remove it off the sump i used, which was off a 2 litre m50.
i'm sure i've read on here that some need removing and some dont.
perhaps it's a 3.0 / 3.2 thing?
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Wed May 14, 2008 7:26 pm

Wasn't yours a 3.2 glenn? I'd have thought if it was a 3/3.2 thing the 3.2's would have to loose it due to the longer stroke.. That said, the crank counterweights seem to be the bit that sticks out the most, perhaps they are different on the 3.2...

I've turned the engine over with only a few sump bolts torqued down.. I'm gonna go out and torque them all down and see if it clashes, if not I'll cross my fingers and hope it's OK come startup time! I'd rather leave it on if possible.
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Wed May 14, 2008 8:20 pm

jaistanley wrote:Wasn't yours a 3.2 glenn?
yes mate, mine's a 3.2.
i'm fairly sure ian didn't have to remove it with his 3.2.
somethings telling me james and jhonno did have to remove it on they're 3 litre's
i'm sure they'll be along to correct me if i'm wrong

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Wed May 14, 2008 8:49 pm

glenn wrote: somethings telling me james and jhonno did have to remove it on they're 3 litre's
I dont remember removing anything from the sump, just the baffle thing from the bottom of the S50 to allow the sump to fit. Mine was a 1995 525i sump.
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jmc330i wrote:
glenn wrote: somethings telling me james and jhonno did have to remove it on they're 3 litre's
I dont remember removing anything from the sump, just the baffle thing from the bottom of the S50 to allow the sump to fit. Mine was a 1995 525i sump.
sorry james.
i remember reading you had removed something :o:
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Wed May 14, 2008 9:50 pm

Dont worry Glenn, it does get confusing - Ive also read that some M50 sumps dont have the tray. I know I didnt remove anything from the sump, but thinking about it, I cant honestly remember if mine had the tray or not :o:
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Wed May 14, 2008 10:46 pm

On an M52 the main bearing caps have extra supports, these stop an E34 sump fitting as the bolt heads hit the baffle, this is the remedy -



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AFAIK this isnt a problem with iron blocks
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Wed May 14, 2008 11:04 pm

I think mine was removed before i got at it.. When i put the arp bolts in I will get a sump with the tray me thinks
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Wed May 14, 2008 11:22 pm

glenn wrote:i'm fairly sure ian didn't have to remove it with his 3.2
I'm pretty sure the sump didn't have one fitted at all.
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Thu May 15, 2008 1:17 am

Well I fitted the sump with the tray in place, torqued it down and the engine turned over fine. Guess that panic is over..

Onto the next one! I've lost all the bolts that hold the ancillaries onto the engine! I'll have to order them (and LOADS of other bits and bobs). One concern: I'm not fitting the aircon (yet) and am wondering how the hell the belt is going to go. More specifically, the tensioner bolts to the aircon bracket. Am I going to leave the bracket on the engine or is there an alternative setup for non aircon cars?

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Thu May 15, 2008 3:11 pm

I had to remove the baffle from the 2ltr sump i used.
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Thu May 15, 2008 4:40 pm

I spose that makes sense... Windage trays sit near the crank and I guess the 2 litre has a smaller diameter crank due to the lower stroke.. bit tenuous though!
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Thu May 15, 2008 4:47 pm

Hi Jai,

It's a long shot, but I might be able to cast some light on the parentage of your engine - I had a '98 MCoupe that threw a rod through the side of the block the day after the car was serviced by my (then) local main dealer. Despite of the car being out of warranty, BMW replaced the engine (at a cost of £9,000), I paid the labour (£1,000). All this happened in 2001.

I sold the car to a guy in Manchester back in 2003 (I think) the mileage and age of parts matches what you describe - the car was Cosmos black with imola red leather registered number S230 FHU.

I remember reading in an old thread that you were based in Warrington? - If so, it might be my old car that you're pulling to bits!
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Doesn't sound like my engine..

I dont actually have the reg of the car (the plates were missing at the breakers) but it was a cosmos black Roadster with a red interior.. From what I understand it was involved in a big crash on a slip road of the M5. It went sideways, hit the kerb flipped up and the boot hit an up-right which threw the driver (no seatbelt) out of the roof (which was closed) before it landed back on it's wheels (three of them!). It was in a SERIOUS state. I have some piccies somewhere. You can barely tell what car it was! I keep referring to it as a coupé, habit/lazyness/the coupé is cooler.. lol.

I told the story at work and it turns out it belonged to a collegues sisters ex. Ex in both senses of the word I beleive, which is a shame. Apparently the passenger was OK though.

I have the VIN so keep meaning to go to a dealers to find out if the engine was replaced by them..

I used to be based in Coventry, working in Banbury. I got the car from a large breakers in/near Wales somewhere. Trailering the thing home was fun. It was lifted on with a fork lift, all good till we got home and thought about it. Four blokes, a 4*4 and a loud bang as we dropped it off the rear.... winkeye
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Thu May 15, 2008 5:22 pm

Well at least soul of the car lives on....

Definitely not mine - but maybe your engine suffered a similar fate?!

Best of luck with the conversion! :D
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Thu May 15, 2008 5:43 pm

jaistanley wrote: From what I understand it was involved in a big crash on a slip road of the M5. It went sideways, hit the kerb flipped up and the boot hit an up-right which threw the driver (no seatbelt) out of the roof (which was closed) before it landed back on it's wheels (three of them!). It was in a SERIOUS state.
This is what supplied my engine :eek:

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ian332isport wrote:
jaistanley wrote: From what I understand it was involved in a big crash on a slip road of the M5. It went sideways, hit the kerb flipped up and the boot hit an up-right which threw the driver (no seatbelt) out of the roof (which was closed) before it landed back on it's wheels (three of them!). It was in a SERIOUS state.
This is what supplied my engine :eek:

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Death traps...... :roll:
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So does anyone have any ideas how I get around the lack of air-pump and air-con? Do I need to buy any parts from BMW (tensioner etc) or do I have to leave the aircon bracket on board and just use a shorter belt?

Many thanks guys...

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jaistanley wrote:So does anyone have any ideas how I get around the lack of air-pump and air-con? Do I need to buy any parts from BMW (tensioner etc) or do I have to leave the aircon bracket on board and just use a shorter belt?

Many thanks guys...

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You don't need to do anything to the main drive belt (crank, alternator, water pump, PAS pump). This is a separate belt to the air pump & aircon.

If you later fit aircon, you need to fit the standard aircon bracket and it's associated tensioner wheel, and use a shorter belt. Have a look in the ETK at South African M3's with aircon, and no air pump. This will give you the correct length for the belt.

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Fri May 16, 2008 8:13 pm

Aaah.. so the accessory (p/steering, alternator, water pump) belt is only tensioned off of the springy tensioner? That makes sense. I shall order a new belt along with all of those bolts I need.

Is it much of a pain in the arse to remove the oil filter housing thingy? Just one gasket by the looks of it. I ask because mine is a bit dirty and slightly corroded so want to whip it off and give it a dremel up.

I need to find myself a torque wrench that can do the lower values accurately (for things like the VANOS cover plate bolts at 8 Nm etc).
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Mine goes down that far :P
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